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2014 Economy

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Re: 2014 Economy

  • It's true-I heard on NPR that the true reason for better unemployment numbers is a combination of people leaving the workforce entirely and people getting part-time, low-wage jobs that have them working, but still in economic hardship. It's a bad situation. Some of my friends for grad school are still looking six months later (admittedly, a couple seem to be a little too picky). In the NPR story, their token "well-qualified and looking but long-term unemployed" person was actually in my field, which was scary. It's a good reminder to work my butt off and be grateful for my job.
  • I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
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  • hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm an amazon lover as well.  I don't work 12 hour days like you but I'm exhausted most days caring for a toddler and the other day I had to bribe her with a cookie to sit in her stroller just so I could get thru a few stores without me chasing after her with my head cut off. I'm also a huge amazon mom fan. DD is potty trained now, but nothing is better than getting your month's supply of diapers at your front door the same day every month.  I seriously would order groceries from amazon if they delivered in our area.  

    Regarding local small business stores, I was trying to think of a place like target/walmart that I would shop at that is local and I can't think of any.  The local stores i can think of are clothing, baby, and pet boutiques.  I have to say I love the clothes I see at those stores but they are always 3 times the price of something I can get elsewhere.  Although I have splurged occasionally at a store like that for a special occasion.  When we are out of town on vacation we always like to eat at restaurants that are not chains.  I do like one of a kind shops but they aren't always convenient for us.  I'm definitely a farmers market girl when it's in season.
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  • hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 

    I work WELL over 12 hours a day most days and take care of an elderly aunt. I know what it is like to be busy.

    I also said there are exceptions. There are people who can make efforts to support local who simply do not bother.

  • catsareniice1catsareniice1 member
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    edited January 2014
    vlagrl29 said:
    hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm an amazon lover as well.  I don't work 12 hour days like you but I'm exhausted most days caring for a toddler and the other day I had to bribe her with a cookie to sit in her stroller just so I could get thru a few stores without me chasing after her with my head cut off. I'm also a huge amazon mom fan. DD is potty trained now, but nothing is better than getting your month's supply of diapers at your front door the same day every month.  I seriously would order groceries from amazon if they delivered in our area.  

    Regarding local small business stores, I was trying to think of a place like target/walmart that I would shop at that is local and I can't think of any.  The local stores i can think of are clothing, baby, and pet boutiques.  I have to say I love the clothes I see at those stores but they are always 3 times the price of something I can get elsewhere.  Although I have splurged occasionally at a store like that for a special occasion.  When we are out of town on vacation we always like to eat at restaurants that are not chains.  I do like one of a kind shops but they aren't always convenient for us.  I'm definitely a farmers market girl when it's in season.


    While some small businesses are more expensive, many are not. Plus, you tend to find more unique items in small shops.

    The six business owners I know are extremely vigilant as to what the going rate is for certain items and make it a point to be very competitive. Like I said people are not even checking with them and are in some cases paying more or about the same for the same items.

    From the looks of responses here, more stores will be closing in no time. When you look to shop at the cute little store down the street in five or ten years and it is no longer there, you can only blame people who did not support them.

  • OP, I know you're upset for your friends, but I think it's really important not to judge others for the choices they make with their time and money. People need to look out for their own needs first. People who care strongly about shopping local do, but it's just not #1 on everyone's list.

    If this cause is important to you (and I support it as well!) I'd look into positive ways to support local in your area. In my area there is a nonprofit called "My City" Local First that is very active in the community. They run fairs and events for local businesses, and provide PR support. Maybe you could get involved with something similar in your area. Please just keep the tone positive-by lecturing you'll lose your audience. Ultimately, it's nobody's responsibility to shop at one business over another, and shopping is not a donation.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    edited January 2014
    I think Xstatic is absolutely correct on this.  People have priorities.  Money is finite.  In my case, shopping local usually DOES mean a price premium, with the exception of the butcher I use.  I did have a summer studying for the bar here where I explored a lot just to get out of the apartment.  I browsed many local places.  The butcher was pretty much it for me.

    I refuse to feel guilty about it. 

    For all the complaints against places like Walmart, my counterargument is that they provide a vast number of jobs to folks who might have difficulty getting a job elsewhere (young people, the elderly, etc).  They also have such low prices that they enable lower-income people to live better lives overall.  I really don't understand how those are bad things.  I grew up with a girl who was special ed and was fired from job after job.  For instance, she got fired from the Dollar General because she couldn't count money well enough to give customers correct change - she wasn't stealing, she was actually short-changing customers because she simply couldn't do it.  Walmart employed her as a greeter a year ago, and she's still employed today.  That's a great thing - she isn't eligible to collect unemployment.  She also has a feeling of self-worth because she has a paying job that she can do.

    All I'm saying is there are two sides to this.  As a consumer I shop primarily for price and convenience.  In my area, that excludes most local businesses.  If that makes me lazy, cheap, or unsupportive so be it.  I spend most of my free time exercising, cleaning, or driving to see my husband who still lives 3 hours away from me.  Shopping local is a relatively low priority for me.  If it's a high priority for you, that's great.  Go for it.  I have no issues with people who choose to spend their time and money that way.  But I'm also not going to feel bad for making the opposite choice.
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  • I love the one of a kind stores like none other, but we usually go to those stores when we are out of town.  Our last vaca was in Colorado Springs and we spent a day in Manitou because of all those little cute stores.  I even got a super cute cotton summer dress that was $65....would I normally spend that much for something like that....No, but the quality was amazing and I felt like a splurge was well deserved.  When we go to Omaha, we are always going to those cool stores in the Market area and even when we went to Destin FL, I got an adorable top that I had never seen before.  I'm use to all the little shops here, so that may be why I don't go there as often.  That, and I can never enjoy myself when I'm shopping with DD and it's a big hassle to push a stroller around as well.
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  • hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm not challenging your choices or your priorities when it comes to time or money, but the reasons you give for choosing on-line shopping pretty much exactly fit my definition of selfish choices--ones based solely on what benefits you the most.  It's just funny that your post starts out saying that on-line shopping isn't selfish then ends with a capitalized ME.  :)
  • maple2 said:
    hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm not challenging your choices or your priorities when it comes to time or money, but the reasons you give for choosing on-line shopping pretty much exactly fit my definition of selfish choices--ones based solely on what benefits you the most.  It's just funny that your post starts out saying that on-line shopping isn't selfish then ends with a capitalized ME.  :)
    Sure, that's fine.  Whatever.  I just think you aren't seeing the bigger picture here. 

    To say that it is selfish to shop online is to assume that all of this is zero sum.  And it's not.  The demand for those products or goods hasn't vanished because I'm now buying them online instead of in stores - the source of sale has simply changed.  Local businesses who are able to keep up with that change thrive. Those that can't, don't.  But the demand hasn't changed.  In fact, since shopping online is so easy, I would bet demand has actually gone up. 

    Regarding my free time, when I spend time for ME (yes, capitalized), that basically includes exercise, cleaning, and seeing my husband who lives 3 hours away.  Perhaps it's selfish that I would rather work on my marriage than go patronize a local store.  If that's the case, then call me selfish with a capital S. 

    And let's not forget that the extra money I have saved from not shopping local means that I can budget for annual donations to charitable organizations that I believe strongly in.  Somehow, I think the Sudanese refugees would rather me shop online so I can donate to help them.  I wouldn't be able to afford to do that if I shopped local for most of my purchases.

    But that's just me.  And unfortunately, neither my time nor my money are unlimited.  So if allocating my resources in the way I see best (and yes, that includes some down time for myself to read a book now and then) makes me a selfish person, so be it.  
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  • maple2 said:
    hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm not challenging your choices or your priorities when it comes to time or money, but the reasons you give for choosing on-line shopping pretty much exactly fit my definition of selfish choices--ones based solely on what benefits you the most.  It's just funny that your post starts out saying that on-line shopping isn't selfish then ends with a capitalized ME.  :)

    LMAO!!!!!! So, I guess I was not the only one laughing through her post.
  • catsareniice1catsareniice1 member
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    edited January 2014
    hoffse said:
    maple2 said:
    hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm not challenging your choices or your priorities when it comes to time or money, but the reasons you give for choosing on-line shopping pretty much exactly fit my definition of selfish choices--ones based solely on what benefits you the most.  It's just funny that your post starts out saying that on-line shopping isn't selfish then ends with a capitalized ME.  :)
    Sure, that's fine.  Whatever.  I just think you aren't seeing the bigger picture here. 

    To say that it is selfish to shop online is to assume that all of this is zero sum.  And it's not.  The demand for those products or goods hasn't vanished because I'm now buying them online instead of in stores - the source of sale has simply changed.  Local businesses who are able to keep up with that change thrive. Those that can't, don't.  But the demand hasn't changed.  In fact, since shopping online is so easy, I would bet demand has actually gone up. 

    Regarding my free time, when I spend time for ME (yes, capitalized), that basically includes exercise, cleaning, and seeing my husband who lives 3 hours away.  Perhaps it's selfish that I would rather work on my marriage than go patronize a local store.  If that's the case, then call me selfish with a capital S. 

    And let's not forget that the extra money I have saved from not shopping local means that I can budget for annual donations to charitable organizations that I believe strongly in.  Somehow, I think the Sudanese refugees would rather me shop online so I can donate to help them.  I wouldn't be able to afford to do that if I shopped local for most of my purchases.

    But that's just me.  And unfortunately, neither my time nor my money are unlimited.  So if allocating my resources in the way I see best (and yes, that includes some down time for myself to read a book now and then) makes me a selfish person, so be it
    OP, I know you're upset for your friends, but I think it's really important not to judge others for the choices they make with their time and money. People need to look out for their own needs first. People who care strongly about shopping local do, but it's just not #1 on everyone's list. If this cause is important to you (and I support it as well!) I'd look into positive ways to support local in your area. In my area there is a nonprofit called "My City" Local First that is very active in the community. They run fairs and events for local businesses, and provide PR support. Maybe you could get involved with something similar in your area. Please just keep the tone positive-by lecturing you'll lose your audience. Ultimately, it's nobody's responsibility to shop at one business over another, and shopping is not a donation.
    Sounds like you totally missed that I work well over 12 hours a week and care take for an aunt. I still support local. I do not have spare time to join groups. Unlike many others here, I am NOT selfish so I support local businesses. If you can't because you have kids you can never leave your house, that is understandable.
  • hoffse said:
    maple2 said:
    hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm not challenging your choices or your priorities when it comes to time or money, but the reasons you give for choosing on-line shopping pretty much exactly fit my definition of selfish choices--ones based solely on what benefits you the most.  It's just funny that your post starts out saying that on-line shopping isn't selfish then ends with a capitalized ME.  :)
    Sure, that's fine.  Whatever.  I just think you aren't seeing the bigger picture here. 

    To say that it is selfish to shop online is to assume that all of this is zero sum.  And it's not.  The demand for those products or goods hasn't vanished because I'm now buying them online instead of in stores - the source of sale has simply changed.  Local businesses who are able to keep up with that change thrive. Those that can't, don't.  But the demand hasn't changed.  In fact, since shopping online is so easy, I would bet demand has actually gone up. 

    Regarding my free time, when I spend time for ME (yes, capitalized), that basically includes exercise, cleaning, and seeing my husband who lives 3 hours away.  Perhaps it's selfish that I would rather work on my marriage than go patronize a local store.  If that's the case, then call me selfish with a capital S. 

    And let's not forget that the extra money I have saved from not shopping local means that I can budget for annual donations to charitable organizations that I believe strongly in.  Somehow, I think the Sudanese refugees would rather me shop online so I can donate to help them.  I wouldn't be able to afford to do that if I shopped local for most of my purchases.

    But that's just me.  And unfortunately, neither my time nor my money are unlimited.  So if allocating my resources in the way I see best (and yes, that includes some down time for myself to read a book now and then) makes me a selfish person, so be it
    OP, I know you're upset for your friends, but I think it's really important not to judge others for the choices they make with their time and money. People need to look out for their own needs first. People who care strongly about shopping local do, but it's just not #1 on everyone's list. If this cause is important to you (and I support it as well!) I'd look into positive ways to support local in your area. In my area there is a nonprofit called "My City" Local First that is very active in the community. They run fairs and events for local businesses, and provide PR support. Maybe you could get involved with something similar in your area. Please just keep the tone positive-by lecturing you'll lose your audience. Ultimately, it's nobody's responsibility to shop at one business over another, and shopping is not a donation.
    Sounds like you totally missed that I work well over 12 hours a week and care take for an aunt. I still support local. I do not have spare time to join groups. Unlike many others here, I am NOT selfish so I support local businesses. If you can't because you have kids you can never leave your house, that is understandable.
    YIkes!  OP, I think you might have missed that I agree with you.  I'm pro-local.  I had a "shift your shopping" Avatar on my FB on Black Friday two years ago.  I have researched local and small business options for pretty much everything I buy, and do patronize the local businesses that make sense for me.  I was one of the more "on your side" people on this thread.  I actually didn't see who used the word selfish first (went back and looked but couldn't find it), but I just think it has no place in this conversation and it rubbed me the wrong way.

    I'm also pro a lot of other, for lack of a better word, "progressive" causes, but I have found that lecturing people about them just causes people to judge the whole thing and sets back causes I care about.  I actually didn't have to find that out by experience; it's common sense that lecturing people about their life choices is not going to have the desired effect.  I think a positive way to talk up small businesses is "Hey! I just realized there are some great independent options for me to buy my coffee in my town.  They're more affordable than Wal-Mart, too.  Has anyone else found something similar?"  There's  nothing wrong with venting, but this crossed a line into judging the rest of us somewhere along the line.     

    As for the group, I was trying to suggest a proactive way for you to get involved in a cause you seem passionate about.  I read that you care for your aunt and are very busy.  It sounds like you took this suggestion as an attack, but it was not meant as such.  Just something that I thought might interest you.  I'm not involved in the group myself, but I do follow them on FB and it's a good way to learn about new businesses.  

    Man, I've only been around a few months but I think this is the most heated I've seen anything get.  Brings back the TK memories!
  • hoffse said:
    maple2 said:
    hoffse said:
    I disagree that shopping online is selfish.  I work 12-hour days.  My job is high-pressure.  H and I have student loans that are more than most people's mortgages.  If I can have most things I need to buy in life delivered to my office so I don't have to go to the store I'm there.  If shipping is free, even better for my wallet.  I will gladly pay $79/year for Amazon prime to get free 2-day shipping because I use it all. the. time. It's reliable.  It's easy.  I can shop online and not lose billable time because all the info is saved in my account, and it takes less than a minute to check out.  That's incredibly valuable to me.

    I think most people are super busy these days.  Being a busy mom with two kids is not unique.  Nor is being a doctor or lawyer or business person who works all the time.  Shopping at Amazon makes my life easier and gives me more time for ME.  I think that's the case for many folks. 
    I'm not challenging your choices or your priorities when it comes to time or money, but the reasons you give for choosing on-line shopping pretty much exactly fit my definition of selfish choices--ones based solely on what benefits you the most.  It's just funny that your post starts out saying that on-line shopping isn't selfish then ends with a capitalized ME.  :)
    Sure, that's fine.  Whatever.  I just think you aren't seeing the bigger picture here. 

    To say that it is selfish to shop online is to assume that all of this is zero sum.  And it's not.  The demand for those products or goods hasn't vanished because I'm now buying them online instead of in stores - the source of sale has simply changed.  Local businesses who are able to keep up with that change thrive. Those that can't, don't.  But the demand hasn't changed.  In fact, since shopping online is so easy, I would bet demand has actually gone up. 

    Regarding my free time, when I spend time for ME (yes, capitalized), that basically includes exercise, cleaning, and seeing my husband who lives 3 hours away.  Perhaps it's selfish that I would rather work on my marriage than go patronize a local store.  If that's the case, then call me selfish with a capital S. 

    And let's not forget that the extra money I have saved from not shopping local means that I can budget for annual donations to charitable organizations that I believe strongly in.  Somehow, I think the Sudanese refugees would rather me shop online so I can donate to help them.  I wouldn't be able to afford to do that if I shopped local for most of my purchases.

    But that's just me.  And unfortunately, neither my time nor my money are unlimited.  So if allocating my resources in the way I see best (and yes, that includes some down time for myself to read a book now and then) makes me a selfish person, so be it
    OP, I know you're upset for your friends, but I think it's really important not to judge others for the choices they make with their time and money. People need to look out for their own needs first. People who care strongly about shopping local do, but it's just not #1 on everyone's list. If this cause is important to you (and I support it as well!) I'd look into positive ways to support local in your area. In my area there is a nonprofit called "My City" Local First that is very active in the community. They run fairs and events for local businesses, and provide PR support. Maybe you could get involved with something similar in your area. Please just keep the tone positive-by lecturing you'll lose your audience. Ultimately, it's nobody's responsibility to shop at one business over another, and shopping is not a donation.
    Sounds like you totally missed that I work well over 12 hours a week and care take for an aunt. I still support local. I do not have spare time to join groups. Unlike many others here, I am NOT selfish so I support local businesses. If you can't because you have kids you can never leave your house, that is understandable.
    YIkes!  OP, I think you might have missed that I agree with you.  I'm pro-local.  I had a "shift your shopping" Avatar on my FB on Black Friday two years ago.  I have researched local and small business options for pretty much everything I buy, and do patronize the local businesses that make sense for me.  I was one of the more "on your side" people on this thread.  I actually didn't see who used the word selfish first (went back and looked but couldn't find it), but I just think it has no place in this conversation and it rubbed me the wrong way.

    I'm also pro a lot of other, for lack of a better word, "progressive" causes, but I have found that lecturing people about them just causes people to judge the whole thing and sets back causes I care about.  I actually didn't have to find that out by experience; it's common sense that lecturing people about their life choices is not going to have the desired effect.  I think a positive way to talk up small businesses is "Hey! I just realized there are some great independent options for me to buy my coffee in my town.  They're more affordable than Wal-Mart, too.  Has anyone else found something similar?"  There's  nothing wrong with venting, but this crossed a line into judging the rest of us somewhere along the line.     

    As for the group, I was trying to suggest a proactive way for you to get involved in a cause you seem passionate about.  I read that you care for your aunt and are very busy.  It sounds like you took this suggestion as an attack, but it was not meant as such.  Just something that I thought might interest you.  I'm not involved in the group myself, but I do follow them on FB and it's a good way to learn about new businesses.  

    Man, I've only been around a few months but I think this is the most heated I've seen anything get.  Brings back the TK memories!
    I do apologize. I did take your post the wrong way. The last sentence was meant for the other poster, not you :) Thank you for the info :) I can check out their FB page.
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  • vlagrl29 said:

    Xstatic - don't go to the bump! haha

    Ha! I lurked there a bit the last time that came up. Those ladies don't mess around!

  • OP, I kind of feel like you created this thread just to start a debate, and then started attacking people for their choices.  I get that you are pro-shop local.  That's great!  Me too!  I even own a local business, baking out of my home.  There is a kitchen shop in town that sells lots of awesome stuff, and I shop there a lot, but you know what?  Their prices aren't just a 'tad' more.  If I need to replace my Kitchenaid mixer, I am literally going to spend $100 more if I buy local than if I order online (or drive to the next biggest town, which is what lots of people do.)  If it's a few cents here or a dollar or two there, I don't have a problem giving the business to local shop owners., but I can't afford a $100 'donation' every time I replace an appliance.

    I also do a TON of shopping on Amazon as a Prime member.  Being that this is, as I said, a small town, I just don't have the options here that I have online.  Call me selfish, but I don't want the same picture frames on my wall as every other person bought at the local home goods boutique, and I buy specific beauty products for my sensitive skin that are not even available to purchase here.  I'm not willing to buy substitutes.

    Also, I would LOVE if there were self-checkouts in this town!  You know why?  Because there are never enough cashiers working.  You're right; I'm selfish enough with my time to not want to stand in line for 20 minutes to buy one loaf of bread.  They obviously wouldn't be taking jobs away from people, because the people aren't in those jobs in the first place.  At least, that's how it is where I live.

    Honestly, I get what you're saying, and I do try to shop local whenever it makes sense.  I know what it's like being a small business owner, because I am one.  I have to agree with what some of the other PPs said though--business owners need to learn to adapt and change and grow along with their clientele.  I book a majority of my business through Facebook, of all things.  I'm guessing there are a few old-school bakers in my area that scoff at the idea of doing business on Facebook, but you know what?  I'll take the business. 

    I think if you are going to be a proponent of change and encourage people to shop local, you might consider dropping the judgmental tones and the occasional 'f' bombs that you seem so fond of, and engage people in intelligent conversation.  You just might find out that a lot more people are willing to see your side.

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    OP, I kind of feel like you created this thread just to start a debate, and then started attacking people for their choices.  I get that you are pro-shop local.  That's great!  Me too!  I even own a local business, baking out of my home.  There is a kitchen shop in town that sells lots of awesome stuff, and I shop there a lot, but you know what?  Their prices aren't just a 'tad' more.  If I need to replace my Kitchenaid mixer, I am literally going to spend $100 more if I buy local than if I order online (or drive to the next biggest town, which is what lots of people do.)  If it's a few cents here or a dollar or two there, I don't have a problem giving the business to local shop owners., but I can't afford a $100 'donation' every time I replace an appliance.

    I also do a TON of shopping on Amazon as a Prime member.  Being that this is, as I said, a small town, I just don't have the options here that I have online.  Call me selfish, but I don't want the same picture frames on my wall as every other person bought at the local home goods boutique, and I buy specific beauty products for my sensitive skin that are not even available to purchase here.  I'm not willing to buy substitutes.

    Also, I would LOVE if there were self-checkouts in this town!  You know why?  Because there are never enough cashiers working.  You're right; I'm selfish enough with my time to not want to stand in line for 20 minutes to buy one loaf of bread.  They obviously wouldn't be taking jobs away from people, because the people aren't in those jobs in the first place.  At least, that's how it is where I live.

    Honestly, I get what you're saying, and I do try to shop local whenever it makes sense.  I know what it's like being a small business owner, because I am one.  I have to agree with what some of the other PPs said though--business owners need to learn to adapt and change and grow along with their clientele.  I book a majority of my business through Facebook, of all things.  I'm guessing there are a few old-school bakers in my area that scoff at the idea of doing business on Facebook, but you know what?  I'll take the business. 

    I think if you are going to be a proponent of change and encourage people to shop local, you might consider dropping the judgmental tones and the occasional 'f' bombs that you seem so fond of, and engage people in intelligent conversation.  You just might find out that a lot more people are willing to see your side.

    I've never heard of anyone baking out of their home. Do you have to get a special license like you do when you own a storefront?

    Regarding small businesses, the ones I know of are extremely competitively priced and have kept up with the times. People simply did not give them a chance and now they are closing.
    I am genuinely concerned about my community falling apart. Many buildings are empty now causing my area to look very dismal.

    My intention was not to debate. I do understand why people shop online. I simply think more people should at least check local to price compare if they have the time to do so. You might be pleasantly surprised.

     

     

  • hoffse said:
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    hoffse said:
    Sure, that's fine.  Whatever.  I just think you aren't seeing the bigger picture here. 

    To say that it is selfish to shop online is to assume that all of this is zero sum.  And it's not.  The demand for those products or goods hasn't vanished because I'm now buying them online instead of in stores - the source of sale has simply changed.  Local businesses who are able to keep up with that change thrive. Those that can't, don't.  But the demand hasn't changed.  In fact, since shopping online is so easy, I would bet demand has actually gone up. 

    Regarding my free time, when I spend time for ME (yes, capitalized), that basically includes exercise, cleaning, and seeing my husband who lives 3 hours away.  Perhaps it's selfish that I would rather work on my marriage than go patronize a local store.  If that's the case, then call me selfish with a capital S. 

    And let's not forget that the extra money I have saved from not shopping local means that I can budget for annual donations to charitable organizations that I believe strongly in.  Somehow, I think the Sudanese refugees would rather me shop online so I can donate to help them.  I wouldn't be able to afford to do that if I shopped local for most of my purchases.

    But that's just me.  And unfortunately, neither my time nor my money are unlimited.  So if allocating my resources in the way I see best (and yes, that includes some down time for myself to read a book now and then) makes me a selfish person, so be it.  

    Just to be clear, my comment was meant to be light hearted and not a judgement on you or your lifestyle. I was totally ignoring the big picture on purpose and just focusing on the humor I found in a post that started out claiming a lack of selfishness and ended with ME.
  • cats - I'm sorry your town is slowly failing.  I really don't see that here.  we are in a decent size city in the midwest.  we have had a couple restaurants close up shop, but they were big chains, not mom and pop joints.
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  • vlagrl29 said:
    cats - I'm sorry your town is slowly failing.  I really don't see that here.  we are in a decent size city in the midwest.  we have had a couple restaurants close up shop, but they were big chains, not mom and pop joints.
     
     
    Thanks! Yeah things are not the same. I'm in the northeast. I guess I am sensitive to the situation as I have a bunch of friends who have or have had small businesses. They try so hard :(

  • Sometimes I think it's a matter of the city providing something that brings people in and gives the people that live there many options to partake in.  Our city is really great with the arts.  They just opened a new modern symphony hall that is just beautiful in downtown.  We got a new tour hall that has brought in artists that had never came here before and the RNC is thinking of hosting their 2016 convention here :) (total nerd I am, I would totally go).  Even smaller towns need to do this. A nearby town closed up its springs years ago, but back in the day when it was up and running celebrities would travel there to use their spring waters.  I seriously think if they would open them back up again the town would profit a lot.  We have been there a few times and this last time we were there several of those small shops had closed up shop....it was sad.
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  • In the state where I live, there is what's called a cottage food law, which allows for certain food items to be produced out of your home.  I would guess that about 90% of custom bakers in the state do business this way.

    I agree that it is as good idea for people to at least get an idea of what's available locally and give it a chance before shopping elsewhere.  I'm sorry to hear about the struggles happening where you live.  I do think it's nice when the city puts a lot of effort into promoting local businesses.  We have a pretty strong downtown association in this town.  Maybe the business people that you know can form a group and try to work together to provide incentives to get people to stay local.

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