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@sonore32 EL&IC (sp)

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I don't know what to say so far besides the fact that i think the writing style is going to be a challenge for me!

So I am very confused, who is the 2nd chapter about, and what is wrong with him? Did I miss it or maybe it will be explained later?

Maybe we can read the next two chapters for Monday?

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  • Haha I feel completely the same way! I'm very very curious about the character in the chapter 2 and I can only assume he will play a large roll in the overall story, but like you, I have no clue who he is or what condition he has...

    Given the fact that we both feel this way I'm going to assume that we haven't missed an important explanation yet.

    2 chapters for next week sounds perfect!
  • Phew! I am glad we are on the same page...I was so confused and thought it completely possible to have missed something from reading with crying babies hahaha.

    Hope you had a great weekend!

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  • Thanks, this has been actually a pretty relaxing weekend for a change! Last one for a couple of weeks though. H and I have to drive to Texas this week for some performances next weekend down in the Fort Worth area.

    Hope the twins are doing well and that you are getting at least a little sleep!
  • @Shepherdjel

    So what did you think of this week's 2 chapters?

    So far I am liking the book although it has yet to grab me to the point that I can't put it down. Obviously we are learning more and more about our mystery man from Chapter 2, although I hadn't originally guessed correctly at all as to who he might be....

    The only thing that bothered me about these 2 chapters was there wasn't a clear time frame given from the funeral to the start of chapter 3...I'd like to think some significant time passed before the Mom moved on but it doesn't seem like there was.
  • Hey sorry, I wasn't around yesterday much!

     The book is interesting, I agree that I am not all, "can't put it down" but not too bad, I am interested and curious to find out what the key is for!!!!

    The writing is still annoying, because I never know when the dialogue switches over (especially when he is talking to his mom). I never know if she is really talking or he is thinking things.

    My thoughts:

    Man does this boy have an imagination...the whole description of having a drain under the pillows and a reservoir of tears and I think there was something else he came up with that intrigued me.

    Some things he says kinda makes me feel dumb...it is amazing how someone his age has such a knowledge base, at times it makes him seem older (how old is he exactly?/ do we know?!

    Why does he keep bruising himself?

    I have to say his hunt for what the key belongs to is intense, he is covering all his basis and is determined to figure it out, no matter what it takes. I am very anxious to see what it is and maybe shed some light on why it was hidden so well in the closet.

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  • sonore32 said:
    @Shepherdjel

    So what did you think of this week's 2 chapters?

    So far I am liking the book although it has yet to grab me to the point that I can't put it down. Obviously we are learning more and more about our mystery man from Chapter 2, although I hadn't originally guessed correctly at all as to who he might be....

    Yeah the mystery man...I was not expecting it to be his grandfather! Speaking of, he mentions at some point when he was talking to his grandmother that his grandfather "left" did he abandon them? Why do you think he left (may be too early to make a prediction)

    The only thing that bothered me about these 2 chapters was there wasn't a clear time frame given from the funeral to the start of chapter 3...I'd like to think some significant time passed before the Mom moved on but it doesn't seem like there was.

    I feel that the time frame with the whole book so far is not easy to tell. From what he makes it seem, she has moved on too fast but at the same time it seems that there has been significant time that has past and he expects that his mom should not have gotten over it so quick because he hasn't.


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  • Hmm...I assumed he kept bruising himself due to a self-infliction problem (like cutters....).

    The way his brain seems to work is crazy although from what I can tell a lot of that seems to be traced to how his Dad interacted with him. His Dad seemed super cool and creative.

    I don't think we exactly know how old he is...I'm assuming 10/11ish? But I'm really not totally sure at all...

    I am interested in this whole key thing as well...looking forward to reading the next chunk!
  • Next 2 chapters for Monday?

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  • Works for me! :)
  • Ok so for me this week was the first time I definitely felt a tug on my heartstrings. I actually found the chapter about his grandparents slightly more engaging than his continued quest to find the key.

    Although I'm not sure I'll ever fully understand how his grandfather could leave like he did I'm starting to at least understand him as a person more and more.

    One thing I'm wondering is he will continue on his key quest in his current manner (ie interview every person named Black) or if he will give up that path at some point and pursue the key using a different strategy?

    For me the most emotional moment this week was when his grandfather realized there was no ribbon in the typewriter. I can sometimes be absent minded as well and this is something I could have seen myself doing. Here he thought he had come up with this therapeutic idea to help them only to discover that it ended up being nothing (fitting into there "something/nothing" division) to him although it was still something to her.

    Anyways, your thoughts?
  • @sheperdjel.....just thought I'd tag you in case you didn't see my post for the week (see above!)
  • But it would help if I spelled things correctly....@Shepherdjel
  • Sorry things have been crazy and I haven't been able to get on :-(

    The whole typewriter part melted my heart too...so sad! So she is blind and he can't speak, correct?

    Still very confused with the writing style, I have to re-read parts at times to understand who said what.

    I think he will still continue his quest to find out what the key is for, but I don't think he will do it as intense as in finding EVERY one with the last name Black.

    I am still interested to find out about the key, but I am very curious about his grandparents and the importance of those chapters.

    Do you think we will learn more about his dad? From how Oskar speaks and acts, it seems as though his dad was a very interesting man.

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  • Next 2 chapters for next week?

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  • Yep works for me...and don't worry if you can't make it on early in the week. You certainly have your hands full!

    I'm not sure if she is fully blind or just mostly....I got the impression of mostly because at one point he said something about "she can't see well anymore" but then that makes me wonder bc isn't this the same grandmother that lives across the street from Oskar? And I never got the impression that she was blind (or near blind).

    I agree with you on the confusing writing style. If I don't read a chapter all at once I normally have to go back and remind myself who is speaking at the beginning of the chapter when I pick it up in the middle.

    Looks like we have two good plots lines going!
  • sonore32 said:
    Yep works for me...and don't worry if you can't make it on early in the week. You certainly have your hands full!

    I'm not sure if she is fully blind or just mostly....I got the impression of mostly because at one point he said something about "she can't see well anymore" but then that makes me wonder bc isn't this the same grandmother that lives across the street from Oskar? And I never got the impression that she was blind (or near blind).

    I agree with you on the confusing writing style. If I don't read a chapter all at once I normally have to go back and remind myself who is speaking at the beginning of the chapter when I pick it up in the middle.

    Looks like we have two good plots lines going!
    This exactly...I never got that impression! But then if she was mostly blind don't you think she would have noticed that there was nothing on the pages?

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  • **butting in**

    I remember reading this book and feeling like I had ADD.  I thought the writing was awful and I couldn't read large chunks at a time.  Half the time I didn't even know who was talking.
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    **butting in**

    I remember reading this book and feeling like I had ADD.  I thought the writing was awful and I couldn't read large chunks at a time.  Half the time I didn't even know who was talking.
    YES! I am intrigued but the writing style is definitely killing it for me :-(

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  • packfan20 said:
    **butting in**

    I remember reading this book and feeling like I had ADD.  I thought the writing was awful and I couldn't read large chunks at a time.  Half the time I didn't even know who was talking.
    Thank you!!! I was afraid I was just stupid!
  • I have a couple things that caught my attention but I can't get past the relationship with Oskar's Grandparents! I mean I don't even know how to handle it...it is so sad :-(

    Anyway, we can talk about this more in depth, but for now here are my random thoughts:

    I know Oskar is all about his play and all the Blacks came to his shows. What was up with the whole scene where he was "smashing Jimmy, beating him up". I absolutely thought this was actually happening and I was SOOOO confused (stupid writing)! He was just thinking this right?

    I loved the part when Oskar visited the Black upstairs (although at the time I didn't realize he was deaf). He is a sweet fellow and I am excited to see him and Oskar embark on the journey together. I also loved the description of the tree bed...I want a bed that is made out of a distinguishable tree with tree stumps and such! Although I loved the bed I don't know if how I feel about him banging nails into it everyday since his wife has been dead (even though this is kind of sweet)


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  • Haha, all I kept thinking when I was reading the chapter about his grandparents is "how many mental issues do we have in this one relationship?" With the whole dividing the apartment up I wasn't sure if that is almost an OCD thing or some other...unfortunately I'm not a psychologist!

    I totally thought the smashing part was real too...I actually skipped a paragraph or two to check before I went back and read them in detail, so you weren't the only one the author tricked!

    I do love the upstairs Black as well, such a sweet sweet man! The tree bed idea sounds neat, although first I still want my princess type canopy bed :)

    There was a part of me that was relieved to find out his grandmother really could see and so she knew about the typewriter after all. Although I had somehow missed how many animals they kept as pets and that scene was so sad when she released all of them. As a rescue pet owner myself whose animals have separation anxiety because of being abandoned my heart kinda went out to the animals.

    I also have to comment that in a way I was proud of the grandmother for getting pregnant. The fact that she was willing to "break the rule" and go for it was good. I am normally all for couples actually communicating and making those decisions together however this relationship is so clearly dysfunctional that I admired her guts in taking a stand!

    I think those were all the things that captured my attention this week :)
  • So after our two chapters for this week I actually think I'm more fascinated with the character of the grandfather than I am with Oskar....Although Oskar certainly still has a ton of issues I do feel like he is a much more straightforward character than the grandfather. The more I read about his life obviously the more I understand him but also the more I want to learn about him....

    I'm glad that Oskar's mom recognizes that he needs some mental help but I'm not totally sure if the psychologist he sees is the best fit. I agree with some of the stuff he says (like checking on any puberty issues) but I don't feel like he is relating very well to Oskar. I mean who would ask the question "Do you see any good coming of your father dying?" To ask that question to an adult I think is borderline inappropriate but to a child?! Especially relatively so soon (as in decades haven't passed or anything...)

    Anyways, your thoughts? :)
  • About the Grandfather, I am very curious to continue with his story and to see what all happened, the more and more we read about him, I get a little more confused. With his chapter, was yours all circled in red too? If so why was that, or why do you think it was like that? In this chapter, is Anna his wife before Oskar's grandmother, and she was pregnant and died in the raid? I may be totally confused and have this all mixed up, but I don't think we ever learned Oskar's grandmothers name.

    About Oskar, I think I am more curious to see how his relationship with Mr. Black continues, I think they will grow to have a special bond and they may be good for each other.

    I agree about the psychologist, I mean I never saw one, but i am pretty sure that the way he is going about things with a 9 year old boy is not the right way. Granted Oskar although he has some issues does seem to be a little advanced in his thinking.

    I still want to know about the key since I think this may shed some light on a bunch of things but there are so many little stories that I don't know what is more important.


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  • I don't think his grandfather and Anna were ever married but yes she was pregnant and died in the raids...I got the feeling that they had planned on getting married (maybe were even engaged?) but I don't think they actually were....

    I feel like once early in the book it mentioned his grandmother's name (in relation to her being Anna's sister) but that was so long ago I can't remember it now.

    Yes mine was all circled in red...quite distracting. The only thought I had of that was didn't Oskar's father used to circle words/letters etc... in things as hints for Oskar on some of their hunts? So maybe his father had circled some of that as a clue?

    I'm assuming all these small plot lines eventually tie together and maybe we'll have a huge "Ah-ha" moment but I guess we'll just have to wait and see!
  • Yes I am patiently waiting for that Ah-ha moment lol
    I can see him circling for a clue...good thinking!

    Want to read 3 chapters for Next week? I think they are pretty short...Let me know :-)
    Hope you had a good weekend and that you aren't getting all this ridiculous snow that we keep getting here in CT!!!

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  • 3 chapters sounds great...actually we're doing okay in WV but yea you guys seemed to be getting slammed! Stay warm, hope the babies are doing well!
  • Thank You. James has a cold but we are dealing. I am SO OVER THE SNOW :-)

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  • Um Whoa...I was NOT expecting the tenant to be Oskar's Grandfather...I am very curious to see how he reacts when he finds out!

    I am bummed that Mr. Black is no longer going with Oskar on his journey to find the lock. I am very surprised as to how much the search to find what the key goes to has kinda taken a role as a back story. I really thought this was going to be a HUGE part of the story. I was also kinda taken aback when Oskar swore in Mr. Black's ear because he was mad at him for no longer wanting to continue.

    Anyway, the biggest shock was definitely about the tenant...

    Hope you had a nice weekend!

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  • I agree about the tenant....although it actually confuses me bc I thought Oskar said his grandmother talks to the tenant so wouldn't she know...? or she does and was just trying to hide it? Also (i'm probably analyzing this too much) but notice the call him the "renter" which is only one "e" off of re-enter as in he is re-entering their life. Then again maybe I've just sat through too many analysis classes.

    I don't think he actually swore in Mr. Black's ear...I had to re-read that passage a few times but I think the first three things were things he wanted to do (pushing him and yelling, swearing etc...) bc after that it said "No...I just shook his hand".

    I totally agree with the key plot line. I was under the impression that it was the central storyline but it certainly isn't anymore.

    I'm sure this wraps up somehow...I honestly am not sure how though

    Oh also did you catch I think we found out that Oskar is 8!

    I did have a good week...both mine and my husband's birthdays were last week so we had a party this weekend with a bunch of friends, it was a great time! Hope your little one is over his cold (and didn't pass it onto his sister!)
  • sonore32 said:
    I agree about the tenant....although it actually confuses me bc I thought Oskar said his grandmother talks to the tenant so wouldn't she know...? or she does and was just trying to hide it? Also (i'm probably analyzing this too much) but notice the call him the "renter" which is only one "e" off of re-enter as in he is re-entering their life. Then again maybe I've just sat through too many analysis classes. Very Interesting analysis! Maybe? If so, it was cleverly done by the author!

    I don't think he actually swore in Mr. Black's ear...I had to re-read that passage a few times but I think the first three things were things he wanted to do (pushing him and yelling, swearing etc...) bc after that it said "No...I just shook his hand". Hmmm...This writing, I have a hard time with his internal thoughts! I never know what is actually happening and what is not.

    I totally agree with the key plot line. I was under the impression that it was the central storyline but it certainly isn't anymore.

    I'm sure this wraps up somehow...I honestly am not sure how though I agree, i am curious how!

    Oh also did you catch I think we found out that Oskar is 8! Nope, I missed that, I could have sworn in earlier chapters he said he was 9 :-(

    I did have a good week...both mine and my husband's birthdays were last week so we had a party this weekend with a bunch of friends, it was a great time! Hope your little one is over his cold (and didn't pass it onto his sister!) Oh Yay! Happy Belated Bday! I think we have decided that James wasn't sick but has cold like symptoms because he is teething! I had no idea babies teeth so early (4 months!). Fun stuff!


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