Well, then I better tell one of my good friends, who still works for McDonalds, that she's going no where in life. You know, working her way through the management track within that company. Her lyfe must just suck. On second thought, that'll have to wait because that bitch is on vacation in Jamaica.
Well, if it worked for you, it'll work for everyone. Good to know! I'll just cheerfully tell the next barista/server/salesperson that I see that if they just work a liiiitle harder and go to college that the world can be their oyster.
ETA: I suck at gifs. How about this instead - imagine someone jerking off slowly.
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I lived on minimum wage for about six months. I am likely one of the most frugal people you would ever meet and I still struggled to get by. It would have been nearly impossible without help from my parents and boyfriend (now DH).
I lived in an apartment with a roommate in a town with unreliable public transportation. I worked hard at a crappy retail job at a chain store that later nearly fired me for not getting enough customers to sign up for credit cards.
Way to twist words around. I have nothing against people making minimum wage, I support them if they work hard. I support a wage increaseAimothy I admire your friend for taking it up a notch at McD's (their management program=education, though).
^^Is that because you are working harder or smarter?
I just need to know if you've every worked at a minimum wage job like McDonalds? Becausethose people do way more than just flip burgers. I cleaned fuckin' nasty ass public bathrooms on my shifts. That right there earns someone $9-$10 an hour.
Yes, I have worked at McDonalds... for three years during HIGH SCHOOL... and then I worked retail during college. I've been there, done that. During college I found a job I didn't like but it paid the bills. I worked full time and went to school full time. I did what I had to do to support myself by MYSELF. I stand by what I said and am willing to agree to disagree on this topic.
My sister makes barely over minimum wage WITH a bachelor's degree, and has for 3 years now. I'm sorry that you feel like those jobs are for high schoolers or only ones in college. I suggest you wake up and come out if your ivory tower.
Oh, and my sister's job is in her career field. Thank goodness she is married because otherwise she wouldn't be able to pay her bills!
This is going to be long, but this is a subject I can't ignore. I posted this on FB a month or so ago in response to similar comments from some of my friends and relatives.
Okay,
I'm stepping on a soapbox here for a minute. I don't do this often but I
went to bed irritated by some things I saw in my newsfeed and woke up
irritated by them, so I feel like this warrants saying. I don't want to
get into the politics of any of this because that is a whole other
conversation. I simply want to provide a perspective that it seems like
many of my FB friends are missing.
I'll
admit to not having watched the SotU last night since I was working, so
I don't know firsthand what was said. What I do see firsthand, however,
is several people on my newsfeed saying people need to pull themselves
up by their bootstraps and get an education and it will fix all of their
problems.
I think I have lots of friends who have been very
fortunate and may not understand today's reality, so I'm going to share
my story. I by no means am representative of my entire generation, but
I'm representative of many.
My parents were "boostrappers" and
worked hard to get where they were, so by the time I was ready for
college, they made too much for me to qualify for any needs-based grants
or scholarships. I had a 3.9 GPA from an average high school and above
average test scores but just under stellar. I could sing but so could
millions of other students and with no sport to speak of, merit
scholarships were also out of the question.
I didn't expect, I
wasn't entitled to, and I didn't receive any assistance in my higher
education pursuit. I dropped out of college after 2 years because I
simply couldn't afford it. I had as much in student loans after 2 years
as my husband had in 5. Does this make me lazy or irresponsible?
Absolutely not. This was the MOST responsible decision I could have
made.
If I'm completely honest, I don't know that I would
have gone back to finish it if it wasn't for my employer. I am EXTREMELY
fortunate to work for my company who has footed the bill for me the last
several years. By the time I graduate in May, they'll have paid for
more than half of my college education.
Millions of students
every year are faced with this same decision. "Bootstrapping" today is
NOT "boostrapping" even 15 or 20 years ago, much less 30 or 40 and
comparisons and personal anecdotes from "the good old days" are quite
frankly patronizing. Tuition alone has seen inflation DOUBLE that of
general inflation. Tuition for my school this year was $500 a credit
hour. For a fulltime student, tuition for a SEMESTER was over $12,000. And that's just
tuition. That's not books (which I've spent several hundreds on each
semester) or any other college related expenses.
I've worked
full time since I was a teenager and even with a full time job I would
NEVER be able to afford my tuition as well as my basic living expenses.
It came down to a choice, and I chose to live my life as well as I
could afford and not take on student debt equivalent to a MORTGAGE.
That was me "bootstrapping" and that's what millions of others are
doing too. Had I taken on that debt, obtained my degree, and then
became underemployed due to graduating at the start of the recession I
have a feeling these same people would have been admonishing me for
biting off more than I could chew and making irresponsible borrowing
choices.
2. What is an acceptable "raise" then? You said that $.50/hour is too high. What about 2% for cost of living? What about a raise commensurate to inflation? 'Cause none of these things have happened in years. People in professional settings get cost of living raises regularly; why is it not ok to do at least that for people making minimum wage? Are people in professional jobs better than those working at minimum wage jobs?
3. It's important to remember how replaceable we are all in this economy. My education doesn't mean dick to my company when layoffs happen, it doesn't mean dick to the guy down the street hiring me to serve pancakes, or to the people who would look down on me (or through me) for being 28 and serving pancakes again.
We all could be measly minimum wage employees again in the blink of an eye. A little compassion and empathy goes a long way.
I heard someone mention once that if a company's full time employees make low enough wages that they qualify for food stamps and/or Medicaid then taxpayers are basically subsidizing the company's profits.
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love.
I have wondered if raising min wage significantly might result in more teens leaving school before graduation to enter the workforce. I don't have any evidence that would happen. Just something I thought about.
I could hold you for a million years
To make you feel my love.
Omg I know you're not this dumb. At that point in the conversation, she was basically saying, "whatever, I think what I want. UO. I'm a victim", instead of trying to back up her argument with facts as she sees them.
Therefore, I said I would respect her more if she went balls to the wall trying to defend her beliefs OR if she realized that she is wrong based on the new information presented to her. There's nothing worse in a debate than someone throwing up their hands and crying victim without even putting up a decent fight.
As usual, I'm horrified that these are the people who have a deep desire and feel the need to populate the world and teach the future generation right from wrong . You're all wrong, and I can't believe that even though I disagree with the UO I actually disagree with the arguments that ensued more. Well , I can believe it, but still..... I think some of you like to debate more than you like to listen or even think about what you are saying.
Way to twist words around. I have nothing against people making minimum wage, I support them if they work hard. I support a wage increaseAimothy I admire your friend for taking it up a notch at McD's (their management program=education, though).
I'm done feeding you trolls.
This is exactly what you said: "People are in control of their own destiny and instead of wasting time protesting the minimum wage they should be applying for better paying jobs or college! Work smarter, not harder." No one twisted your words. You can't say something like this and whine when people disagree with you.
Also, give me a bloody break, you wouldn't "admire" anyone you see working at McDonalds.
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I lived in an apartment with a roommate in a town with unreliable public transportation. I worked hard at a crappy retail job at a chain store that later nearly fired me for not getting enough customers to sign up for credit cards.
I support raising minimum wage.
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My sister makes barely over minimum wage WITH a bachelor's degree, and has for 3 years now. I'm sorry that you feel like those jobs are for high schoolers or only ones in college. I suggest you wake up and come out if your ivory tower.
Oh, and my sister's job is in her career field. Thank goodness she is married because otherwise she wouldn't be able to pay her bills!
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I'll admit to not having watched the SotU last night since I was working, so I don't know firsthand what was said. What I do see firsthand, however, is several people on my newsfeed saying people need to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and get an education and it will fix all of their problems.
I think I have lots of friends who have been very fortunate and may not understand today's reality, so I'm going to share my story. I by no means am representative of my entire generation, but I'm representative of many.
My parents were "boostrappers" and worked hard to get where they were, so by the time I was ready for college, they made too much for me to qualify for any needs-based grants or scholarships. I had a 3.9 GPA from an average high school and above average test scores but just under stellar. I could sing but so could millions of other students and with no sport to speak of, merit scholarships were also out of the question.
I didn't expect, I wasn't entitled to, and I didn't receive any assistance in my higher education pursuit. I dropped out of college after 2 years because I simply couldn't afford it. I had as much in student loans after 2 years as my husband had in 5. Does this make me lazy or irresponsible? Absolutely not. This was the MOST responsible decision I could have made.
If I'm completely honest, I don't know that I would have gone back to finish it if it wasn't for my employer. I am EXTREMELY fortunate to work for my company who has footed the bill for me the last several years. By the time I graduate in May, they'll have paid for more than half of my college education.
Millions of students every year are faced with this same decision. "Bootstrapping" today is NOT "boostrapping" even 15 or 20 years ago, much less 30 or 40 and comparisons and personal anecdotes from "the good old days" are quite frankly patronizing. Tuition alone has seen inflation DOUBLE that of general inflation. Tuition for my school this year was $500 a credit hour. For a fulltime student, tuition for a SEMESTER was over $12,000. And that's just tuition. That's not books (which I've spent several hundreds on each semester) or any other college related expenses.
I've worked full time since I was a teenager and even with a full time job I would NEVER be able to afford my tuition as well as my basic living expenses. It came down to a choice, and I chose to live my life as well as I could afford and not take on student debt equivalent to a MORTGAGE.
That was me "bootstrapping" and that's what millions of others are doing too. Had I taken on that debt, obtained my degree, and then became underemployed due to graduating at the start of the recession I have a feeling these same people would have been admonishing me for biting off more than I could chew and making irresponsible borrowing choices.
*Stepping off soapbox*
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2. What is an acceptable "raise" then? You said that $.50/hour is too high. What about 2% for cost of living? What about a raise commensurate to inflation? 'Cause none of these things have happened in years. People in professional settings get cost of living raises regularly; why is it not ok to do at least that for people making minimum wage? Are people in professional jobs better than those working at minimum wage jobs?
3. It's important to remember how replaceable we are all in this economy. My education doesn't mean dick to my company when layoffs happen, it doesn't mean dick to the guy down the street hiring me to serve pancakes, or to the people who would look down on me (or through me) for being 28 and serving pancakes again.
We all could be measly minimum wage employees again in the blink of an eye. A little compassion and empathy goes a long way.
To make you feel my love.
To make you feel my love.
But you said "if you owned it" you would have respect for her which is bs.
Therefore, I said I would respect her more if she went balls to the wall trying to defend her beliefs OR if she realized that she is wrong based on the new information presented to her. There's nothing worse in a debate than someone throwing up their hands and crying victim without even putting up a decent fight.
To make you feel my love.
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