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what are we obligated to do?

H's parents just moved across the country, they had lived 20 minutes away.  While I am very greatful that MIL won't be dropping anymore junk off at our house, and we won't get guilt trips for not arranging to see them several times a month, this has now introduced a new "problem". 

Every time we talk to them they want to know when we're coming to visit, or they imply that we'll be coming to visit....we're in New England, they're on the gulf coast, so travel involves at least the cost of airline tickets, and probably the cost of a rental car (in addition to coordinating time off work between our 4 jobs). since they were the ones who chose to up and move leaving their entire family in New England, do we have an obligation to go visit them? 

a side issue is that the house they lived in up here was an absolute dump, like unfinished walls and floors, chunks of wall paper hanging from the walls, half finished bathrooms, moldy siding, dirt cellar and junk everywhere. most of the junk got sold or trashed before they moved, but I would literally feel sick spending more that a few hours in this house....I'd be nervous to commit to spending several days in whatever they're purchasing down there without seeing it first...
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  • hoffsehoffse member
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    Yeah I would limit it to - at most - every other year.  And frankly, I would be prepared to pay for a hotel while I was down there in case their new house turns into their old one in terms of the cleanliness and health issues.

    Also - how "Gulf Coast" are we really talking about here?  Close enough for beach access? Anything interesting near by that you guys will be able to do so that you don't have to spend 24/7 in their house when you do visit?
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  • Maybe consider a visit twice a year and they can come and visit you twice a year  -
    Who says you have to stay with them when you visit?
    What does your DH say about how to handle his parents?
  • I always used the line "we will come when you pay for it" in a joking tone. I was never joking. You are obligated to visit at all, but every other year sounds like a nice compromise.
  • Another vote for every other year, provided you can afford it. I'd get a hotel at least for the first visit.
  • apparently it's about 20 minutes from the beach...otherwise I think it's fairly rural...eastern alabama...about 30 mins from western FL. 

    H and I do want to do some other traveling (Italy, Napa, South of France, H wants to go back to Japan)...so I see this as eating into our budget for those things. 


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  • AprilH81 said:
    Gulf Shores area?  If so, that is pretty pricey to fly into.  I have a friend who used to live in Mobile and it was $400-600 per person to fly into Mobile.  Only a few airlines fly there so the prices stay high.

    Pensacola might be slightly cheaper, but still...

    No one can force you to fly and visit (or drive down) if you don't want to or can't afford it.  Airlines go both ways and if they want to see you they can spend money too.
    this had been my initial reaction...you're the ones moving, neither one of you work, if you want to see us you can come to us. 

    MIL is laying the guilt trip on H thick.
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  • maple2maple2 member
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    You aren't obligated to visit anyone if you don't want to.  I, personally, do feel an obligation to see family every year, and that has only increased since having children.  We live in the Northeast.  Our closest relations live in the midwest, but we also have family in the southwest and far west.  Luckily for us, many people are able to come visit us, but I try to make at least 1 trip each year to visit my extended family who have trouble traveling themselves.  This is the first year since having kids (5+ years) that DH and I have used our vacation time for anything other than being with family (either going places or hosting).  Do I miss going to more interesting places?  Sure, but for me family is the priority right now.  DH and I are lucky enough to have 3 living grandmothers between us, so we know that every time we see them could potentially be the last.  That's enough motivation for me to prioritize those visits.  DH and I both have strong family bonds, but I know that's not true for everyone, which is why other people have different priorities.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    OK well I have some news for you.

    There is nowhere in eastern Alabama that's 20-minutes to the beach.  You're at least an hour to 90 minutes from the beach from any of those towns, minimum.  Western Alabama is marginally coastal (Mobile, Gulf Shores, etc.) but everything else is not.

    Southern Alabama (other than Mobile) is pretty grim.  If we're talking about Dothan, etc. I would cut back to visits for major life moments (children, etc), rather than having it be a standing thing.

    Alternatively, I would combine a visit with a longer trip at the beach.  They will be within a couple hours from Panama City (meh) and Ft. Walton beach/Seaside (LOVE).  Perhaps renting a beach house or condo and having it be something you all can enjoy (and splitting the cost with the inlaws?) would be nicer than staying with them in the middle of nowhere.  And when I say the middle of nowhere.... I mean that there are gas stations, walmarts, and people on the side of the highway (no interstate) who sell peaches, peanuts, and miniature bonsai trees.   

    The FL gulf coast is really beautiful if you pick the right spot, though.  And it's a place we visit frequently.  Frankly it beats almost everything you can get in the Caribbean.  None of the places you mentioned wanting to visit are tropical, but if you guys get an inclination to have a beach trip that might be the way to do it.

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  • hoffsehoffse member
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    And I agree with April about the airlines thing.  They should be visiting you guys as well.
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  • Ok...I got my geography a little off...I knew it was easy to head east to FL from them...I believe they're looking to buy a house in Foley....so on the shore area. 

    MIL and FIL don't really share commen interests with me/us. When they take us out to restaurants we go to walk-up counter pizza place or the chineese food place that's really more of a take-out place, but gosh darn we sit in the booths, order at the counter, and clean-up after ourselves (not my idea of a nice dinner out, I'd rather cook at home!) So I'm having a hard time picturing a vacation with them being relaxing...if they plan activities we'd spend every day at the shooting range. 
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  • Mom987Mom987 member
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    You and your husband are your own family now, I hate when MILs guilt people into feeling bad.  No obligation whatsoever.
  • H has grandparents in Jacksonville. The plan now is that his whole family will travel from ME and NH to visit every four years for Christmas. We fly down and this year they are able to afford hotel for everyone coming but in four years we will budget for hotel as well just in case.

    We will do our absolute best to make it down there once in between the 4 years but we don't feel guilt if we can't get there. They understand we have lives that involve lots of working and trying our hardest to make our lives our own.

    Don't feel guilty!

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  • No obligation what so ever. We actually try to make it back once to twice a year right now to visit family, but both my parents and my in laws have told us that they don't want us to use all of our vacation (time and $) to come visit them. So we are starting to think of creative things. Like Christmas 2015 (when we would have to pay for LO's plane ticket) we may be meeting in Las Vegas. Cheap airline tickets, plus possibly a condo we can rent from a friend for cheap. And it's a fun place to be that DH and I haven't been to in years- so vacation + family. (And family is a good baby sitter if we want to go out for the night).

    Since you do want to travel, maybe offer to go someplace with them, but you are under no obligation to go visit other than for major milestones like somebody else already said.
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  • I would just tell them that you will visit someday but right now you can't make any promises because trying to schedule time off from four jobs is challenging. Also, the trip isn't cheap (look up how expensive flights are and also figure out cost to travel by car) it costs at least $xxx.xx for the us to come down and that is for just the trip. Then the reality of it will hit her.
  • When we visit H's parents in FL, we always spend a few days with them and then a night or two doing something fun, just us. We're lucky in that they're in Palm Beach, which is shooting distance to both Orlando and Miami. Even if your in laws are in a quieter spot, I highly recommend this method to make the visit more exciting.
  • Thanks everyone! I was starting to feel like I was being insensitive when I was telling MIL "we'll see" but Great tip on adding up what it would cost (airline or car plus the potential cost of boarding the dog, although my mom would take her most the time)! They haven't purchased a house yet...but I think we'll definitely plan to find a hotel at least the first time we go. 


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  • "H and I do want to do some other traveling (Italy, Napa, South of France, H wants to go back to Japan)...so I see this as eating into our budget for those things."

    If  you can afford the above travel, then you can find a way to afford an occasional visit to the ILs. 
  • If you don't want to do a week's vacation, you could try to do a long weekend or something the first time. It might be easier to get time off from all the jobs if you are just trying to do a few days.

    I would tell your MIL that you would love to come see them, but that you have to save up for the travel costs.
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  • VORVOR member
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    If you dont want to go, that's fine. There is no "obligation". BUT drop the "they moved- they should come here" attitude. Young adults who move from home deal with this and hate it. Think about it- if you moved away and were excited about where you were - wouldn't you want people to visit? This is how our world is these days- people move away. 2nd (sorry, on iPad, no paragraph breaks), I did have to roll my eyes at how this will eat into your Europe/Japan travels. Really? If you don't want to go, that's FINE. But just be honest about it. If you're talking about these pretty extravagant trips, it kind of takes away from "but going to alabama is just SOOOO expensive!" argument.
  • Sisugal said:

    "H and I do want to do some other traveling (Italy, Napa, South of
    France, H wants to go back to Japan)...so I see this as eating into our
    budget for those things."

    If  you can afford the above travel, then you can find a way to afford an occasional visit to the ILs. 

    I agree with this.

    I also think by not making some effort to visit, you would be setting a poor example and sending a negative message about the value of family to your children, with whom I would assume you want to have a close relationship with when they are married adults.
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  • I don't think OP's post suggested she never wants to visit or has an attitude about how they moved, just that she wants to balance it with other travel and doesn't want to be guilt tripped about it. There is nothing wrong with that IMO. We only get two weeks of vacation time, and for anyone in a similar situation choices just need to be made. We visit H's family about once a year and do another trip that's not to family at all about once a year. That doesn't mean we don't value them, just that there are other places we want to see before we TTC. I understand travel is something people value differently though.

    It also sounds like these particular parents don't make it comfortable to stay with them. That's a big concern. When we visit my ILs, I need to suffer through my bad cat allergies because H doesn't want to offend them by getting a hotel. It sucks quite frankly. The only drug that will conquer it, Benadryl, puts me to sleep and since having a cat is reasonable I don't want to make them feel badly about it. I wouldn't want to spend all of my PTO in such an uncomfortable situation though, and I can't blame OP for feeling the same. Of course, hopefully in her case their new home won't have the old issues.
  • It's more about the expectation that we'll be visiting often. When I moved after college I made a conscious effort not to move more than 4 hours from my family. H's parents have zero ties to Alabama, the only requirement for them when FIL retired was that MIL wanted to be near the beach...the ease of visiting
    Family didn't seem to factor into their location choice, at all. Yes, H and I have had a list of places we want to visit for years, that won't be any easier once we have LOs, so checking a few of those off sooner rather than later is a bit of a priority. I did check, flights to Mobile from our home airport seem to range from $550-$1090/person, so definitely not cheap! I have my fingers crossed that their living situation will be better, however when H and I were house shopping my ILs continually pushed us that we should look at trailers rather than houses because they cost less, so I'm trying to think worst case.
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  • Gdaisy09 said:

    It's more about the expectation that we'll be visiting often. When I moved after college I made a conscious effort not to move more than 4 hours from my family. H's parents have zero ties to Alabama, the only requirement for them when FIL retired was that MIL wanted to be near the beach...the ease of visiting
    Family didn't seem to factor into their location choice, at all. Yes, H and I have had a list of places we want to visit for years, that won't be any easier once we have LOs, so checking a few of those off sooner rather than later is a bit of a priority. I did check, flights to Mobile from our home airport seem to range from $550-$1090/person, so definitely not cheap! I have my fingers crossed that their living situation will be better, however when H and I were house shopping my ILs continually pushed us that we should look at trailers rather than houses because they cost less, so I'm trying to think worst case.

    I totally understand what you're saying. My ILs are only 4 hours away (Atlanta to Savannah) and they're in a normal, but small, cluttered house and I can't stand going with two kids for two nights. Even worse if BIL and girlfriend are also going because then it's 8 people and 3 dogs in a 3 bedroom house, no thank you. I went off on a tangent but I do understand using vacation days wisely and spending money on what you *want* to do vs. what you have to do.
  • Gdaisy09 said:
    It's more about the expectation that we'll be visiting often. When I moved after college I made a conscious effort not to move more than 4 hours from my family. H's parents have zero ties to Alabama, the only requirement for them when FIL retired was that MIL wanted to be near the beach...the ease of visiting Family didn't seem to factor into their location choice, at all. Yes, H and I have had a list of places we want to visit for years, that won't be any easier once we have LOs, so checking a few of those off sooner rather than later is a bit of a priority. I did check, flights to Mobile from our home airport seem to range from $550-$1090/person, so definitely not cheap! I have my fingers crossed that their living situation will be better, however when H and I were house shopping my ILs continually pushed us that we should look at trailers rather than houses because they cost less, so I'm trying to think worst case.
    I'm with you.  The most expensive part of international travel are the flights, and it sounds like it would cost more to fly to Alabama for you guys than it would cost us to fly to Turkey (literally, I've checked).  Of course you need to visit once in awhile, but it IS a two-way street.  If they are so desperate to see you guys they can get on an airplane too.

    I think it's fine to move far away from family, but you can't expect people to naturally come to you when that happens.  My parents both moved far away (California and Wisconsin to Atlanta), my H's parents both moved far away (California and Belgium to Atlanta), and the fact of the matter is that it's not reasonable to expect the entire extended family to come visit if YOU are the one who moved.

    I also don't think it's a problem to prioritize international travel over visiting family.  People's priorities are different and during different phases in life you might prioritize different things.  For instance, after the 2014 holidays H and I are planning on traveling during Thanksgiving and Christmas instead of seeing family until we have kids. Maybe that's selfish, maybe it's not putting family first, but hell we get like NO vacation time, and our jobs make it very hard to take the vacation time we do actually get.  So when we can get two "free" days, we're going to take it.  When kids come, then of course we're going to be home for Thanksgiving and Christmas.  But our priorities are different until that happens.
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  • als1982 said:
    "H and I do want to do some other traveling (Italy, Napa, South of France, H wants to go back to Japan)...so I see this as eating into our budget for those things."

    If  you can afford the above travel, then you can find a way to afford an occasional visit to the ILs. 
    I agree with this. I also think by not making some effort to visit, you would be setting a poor example and sending a negative message about the value of family to your children, with whom I would assume you want to have a close relationship with when they are married adults.
    OP does not have children.  She doesn't have to set an example for anybody yet.  She's also not the one who decided to move away.  It sounds like she is closely located to other family members.
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  • I don't think that you have to visit super often. Maybe a long weekend...just something that shows you care about their new house but without giving up all of your other dreams. And then move onto what you want to do. If they are moving, they can come see you, too. It doesn't have to be one sided.

    Also, I don't know if it is possible or something you want to consider, but how about doing a road trip to go see them. If there is something along the way that is of interest, you can stop and do that as well. It would save you the cost of flights. It would just be the cost of gas. I do this to visit my brother who lives in Atlanta if flying isn't in the budget. From Philadelphia to Atlanta it is about 12-14 hours depending on traffic.
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  • We have done the driving thing for other things, we went to a wedding in Ohio last year and it was less expensive and more convenient to have a car there so we drove...according to google maps it's a 24 hour drive from our house to southern AL...with national average fuel prices and our gas milage it would cost $450 for gas to get there and back...probably plus several nights in a hotel on the way there and back (say we can do 12 hours of driving a day and can find a hotel around $100/night...that's $200 and spending the waking part of 4 days in the car...plus say $60/day for meals on the road..(4 days on the road!) $240 for food...so we're talking almost $900 and 4 days off work just to get there if we didn't fly...any way I spin this we're dropping ~$1000 to get there and probably more once we're there if we want to eat better than take-out chinese or pizza...and likely a hotel. And that's before we've arranged care for the Dog...and probably paying the neighbor's kids to feed the cats (minimal but we still give them $2-3/day).
     
    H's mom likes to use the fact that we go to my parent's fairly often (in actuallity I go to my parents' 3-4 times a year, H joins me once a year)...the difference is when I/we go there the only expense is about $50 in gas. 
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  • It sounds like the guilt trippy attitude from MIL is the biggest problem here.  That seems super frustrating.

    Ideas to make it cheaper when you DO go...

    It's not time efficient, but do the math on renting a car and flying into a larger airport farther from the destination.  I did this once when my H was working in South Texas; I rented a car in San Antonio and drove 5 hours to South Padre.  It wasn't so bad, and I saw a part of the country I never would have otherwise.  Looks like Atlanta to Mobile is about 5 hours.  A flight from Boston to Atlanta should be about as cheap as you can get on Delta.  I've found its usually cheaper for me to fly out of Logan, even with parking, than Providence, my actual closest airport.  Plus if you fly out of Atlanta you could tack on a night there for some you and H time on your way home and do something fun.  Everyone hates that airport, but I find it usually flows pretty well.  Those actually from the South may have better suggestions.

    For car rental, try booking through BJ's.  One booking a year should make your $40 membership worth it.  Its significantly better than even AAA.  If you rent a subcompact the gas should be really reasonable.
  • It sounds like the guilt trippy attitude from MIL is the biggest problem here.  That seems super frustrating.

    Ideas to make it cheaper when you DO go...

    It's not time efficient, but do the math on renting a car and flying into a larger airport farther from the destination.  I did this once when my H was working in South Texas; I rented a car in San Antonio and drove 5 hours to South Padre.  It wasn't so bad, and I saw a part of the country I never would have otherwise.  Looks like Atlanta to Mobile is about 5 hours.  A flight from Boston to Atlanta should be about as cheap as you can get on Delta.  I've found its usually cheaper for me to fly out of Logan, even with parking, than Providence, my actual closest airport.  Plus if you fly out of Atlanta you could tack on a night there for some you and H time on your way home and do something fun.  Everyone hates that airport, but I find it usually flows pretty well.  Those actually from the South may have better suggestions.

    For car rental, try booking through BJ's.  One booking a year should make your $40 membership worth it.  Its significantly better than even AAA.  If you rent a subcompact the gas should be really reasonable.
    That's a good point about car rentals.  I would first try flying into New Orleans.  It's about 2 1/2 hrs away and obviously has tons of fun things to do. It's hands down one of my all-time favorite cities, possibly my favorite city in the US.  Their airport is a decent size, so you may be able to get relatively inexpensive flights there.  That would be my first choice.

    Birmingham is 4 hrs away, and I know that Southwest flies here.  So that might cut costs.  Plenty to do in Birmingham that's free/cheap, and it's a very easy drive down to the coast.

    You are also within 4 hrs of Jackson, MS, Pensacola, Talahassee, and Panama City.  I'm pretty sure most of those airports are small-ish, but they are worth checking out.

    Finally, flights to Atlanta ought to be quite cheap, but you're going to be about 6 hrs away.  That's not so bad if the flights are cheap enough.  Once you're to Bham it's a pretty pleasant drive.  I hate the Atlanta airport, but my H actually rather likes it.  The traffic in Atlanta is horrendous, and it's best to spend the night before you leave near the airport or else give yourselves PLENTY of time to get to the airport.  H and I fly out of Atlanta when taking long flights, and we always give ourselves and extra 2-3 hours when driving straight from Birmingham, just in case.  You also have to keep in mind that you lose an hour driving from Alabama to Georgia.

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  • Boston to New Orleans non-stop is $350/each.  With 1 layover is $250/each.  I'm looking at holiday dates, by the way.

    Boston to Atlanta non-stop is $330/each.  With 1 layover is $350/each.  Same dates.

    Boston to Birmingham is more expensive than either of those.

    So I'd fly to New Orleans, spend some time in my favorite city, and then head to AL to see the inlaws.
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