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Finances & Waiting to Start a Family...a vent

bmo88bmo88 member
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edited April 2015 in Money Matters
Sorry, just wanting to vent. This is due to a few family members saying we are "too worried" about finances when it comes to starting a family. One specific quote was, "If you are that worried about money, then maybe you shouldn't have children." 

The fact is, we want to start a family in the next few years. If we met all of our financial goals tomorrow, we would probably start a family this year. The reality is that we have very good incomes, but we also have debt ($54,000 to be exact) from student loans, a second mortgage and a car loan. We are aggressively paying it off ($1,900 a month) when we could pay the minimums ($750 a month). It's a choice we made because we can pay off all of that debt within 2 1/2 years. This plan still allows us to save 10% of our income in general/emergency savings, 15% towards retirement and enjoy life through a few vacations a year. Otherwise, we budget wisely, cook a lot and limit discretionary spending. 

Could we technically afford a child today? Yes. We would just adjust our debt repayment method and make it work. But the fact is, we don't want to just make it work or figure it out!! I recognize that sometimes, people aren't in a place to have strong finances and have to figure things out. But if you have the option to consciously set up your finances and you want to do it, then why not?

I am not worried about spending money on a child. That's not the problem. I would rather eliminate our debt and then use those funds towards a child. We are only 26 (almost 27) and 29 right now, so we have time. By the time we pay our debt off, if things go according to plan, we will be 29 and 31. That's about the time we were originally thinking about starting a family. Having a newborn is stressful. I just cannot imagine caring for a baby and stressing over finances at the same time. I know it's not possible to plan 100% for everything, but there are ways to prepare.

We are comfortable with our plan and approach. But it's so frustrating because our families don't understand it. Not that we have to justify or prove anything, but we both come from families that aren't that financially responsible. For many of them, their mentality is, "you will always have bills or some kind of debt" or "there will never be a perfect time, so stop waiting." I get that, but I believe there is a better time than now. So stop pressuring us! 

Sorry, this is just a vent and frustration. It's also sad that so many people I know really believe/think that financial independence or a life without debt is impossible. I wish we had more financial education in this country and a priority to handle finances well. Many of my friends and family are not saving for retirement or don't have emergency savings when they are capable of doing so (they tend to spend most of their income). I am not trying to judge, but it's just unfortunate that many people never learn how to manage their finances and are consequently trapped in a cycle of spending, debt and stress. :(

End rant.
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Re: Finances & Waiting to Start a Family...a vent

  • This is part of the reason we don't discuss finances with friends and family. We also have never discussed our reproduction plans until we announced my pregnancies. That doesn't mean people haven't asked questions, we simply don't answer detailed.
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  • Wow, I would be furious with my family if they told me what to do with my financial or reproductive life!  That's completely none of their business.  You guys have a plant that works for you, and that's what matters.  Stay the course :)  I certainly don't blame you for the vent.  Going forward, I'd probably change the subject or excuse myself when such matters come up in conversation.  If you were ever on TK, you may remember the "bean dipping" strategy.

    I agree that it's too bad that more people don't think a financially successful life with middle income jobs is possible.  I don't agree with DR on everything and his plan isn't right for us, but I do believe that by working the saving/retirement strategy that we can also be successful and comfortable.  
  • Stand strong with your decission. The only person who has to be on board with your plan is you and your husband. You know what having those bills paid off for you will mean when you have a baby. Like you said, with your age, you have plenty of time still to have kids. Good for you for having goals and for sticking to them.

  • cbee817cbee817 member
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    Stick to what you and DH feel is right- maybe when your debt is cut in half, you'll feel more comfortable with TTC. I would revisit your finances and goals every 6 months to make sure you're both on the same page- your debt is very manageable though.
    When DD#1 was born in 2010, DH and I had $155K worth of debt (that included mortgage, 1 car loan (my car was paid off), and DH's student loan.. we had no credit card debt). When DD#2 was born in 2012, we were at $133K (included mortgage and DH's student loan- the car was paid off and we had no credit card debt) and now, we're down to $98K (mortgage only and still no credit card debt).  We also have a large emergency fund- at least 6 months of expenses in case anything happens. DH has been laid off  and rehired by his school district 3 times since 2010 so I like to keep the extra cushion in case. I make about 2x what DH does, but his income (and more importantly, his state pension) is still significant in our budget and overall financial well being. The point is, we kept to our goals but allowed ourselves to start a family when the time felt right. Their biggest expense is day care- it's about $20K per year for 2 kids. DD#1 will be starting kindergarten in the fall so that bill will be cut in half. DD#2 will be done with day care in Sept 2017.. I have a feeling we'll be going on a huge vacation to celebrate that.  :)
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  • We are on a very similar track as you. Stick to your guns. Getting rid of your student loans and any other non-mortgage debt is going to make a huge difference in the life of your family, possibly opening up choices and options you might otherwise not have! Plus for me, it just makes me sick how much money goes to interest each month - on H's $58,000 alone it's like throwing away $300 a month. No thank you!! Keep up with killing the debt!
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  • bmo88bmo88 member
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    Thanks for the responses everyone! We don't share specifics about our finances with anyone. We have been together for 12 years (married almost 2 years) and so the pressure has been on lately. My response to the baby question has sometimes just been, "when we accomplish some of our financial goals." So it's vague, but obviously alludes to money. 

    We are committed to this plan and I understand everyone prioritizes differently. It's not easy sometimes because we'd love to spend it on an awesome vacation or just save it, but it makes the most sense to eliminate debt with it. 
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  • bmo88 said:

    Thanks for the responses everyone! We don't share specifics about our finances with anyone. We have been together for 12 years (married almost 2 years) and so the pressure has been on lately. My response to the baby question has sometimes just been, "when we accomplish some of our financial goals." So it's vague, but obviously alludes to money. 


    We are committed to this plan and I understand everyone prioritizes differently. It's not easy sometimes because we'd love to spend it on an awesome vacation or just save it, but it makes the most sense to eliminate debt with it. 
    We would always just respond with something vague, like we have things we want to do first, or maybe in a few years....and then change the subject. 
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  • you are still very young and I had DD when I was just 2 months shy of 31.  Stick to your plan.  I would say not to wait if you were older, but given your age F them! :)
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  • If I were you, I'd probably stop even mentioning "financial goals" in response to family planning questions.  That is not something your family can relate to.  I'd keep it even simpler at, "We prefer to wait a few years. We want to enjoy "just us" for awhile and maybe do some traveling first."

    BTW, your current plan sounds great!  That will be so freeing to have those big loans paid off in a fairly short amount of time.  I can see where having that wrapped up will really pave the way for an even happier, less stressful preparing for a baby.

  • @bmo88, my H and I are in the exact same place as you! We want kids but are paying off loans first and taking the vacation we've been dreaming about since we met. Fortunately our families are pretty understanding of this, but sometimes it makes me frustrated lol! I totally have baby fever! But we know that losing some of our monthly bills is the best way for us to be comfortable with starting a family.

    Sounds like you have a great plan. Good luck!
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