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Spinoff from charitable giving post - panhandling

Not so much MM as just curious, but I was wondering what others do when they encounter panhandling.  Do you usually/sometimes/never give something?  Do you sometimes give food, but not cash?

I was thinking about it because at lunchtime...yet again...a person was asking for money outside the Wendy's I went for lunch.  But it doesn't matter where I go for lunch, more often than not, I'll have someone beg me for money somewhere on my short walks. Where I work in NOLA, both for my f/t and my p/t job, I am in an area RIFE with panhandlers.  In addition to roaming around, they are also literally at every corner on the road cars have to take to get to the freeway from the Downtown/Warehouse districts.

I personally rarely give anything, but I don't ignore them and am always polite in my refusal.  Unless I'm harassed and asked a second time, then I use my super bitch tone, tell them no again and ignore anything else said.  My attitude is it's not my job to help support grown, random adults I know nothing about.

There are rare occasions when I've made exceptions.  For example, there was a guy at a gas station (not an employee) working his butt off to fill people's gas tanks and wash their windows.  Obviously he was hoping for tips, but he never actually asked for money and I was impressed by that along with his hard work.  I've also given people food if I happened to have something extra with me, though that is only people who might stop me in a parking lot.  I do ignore the street corner/freeway on ramp people.  They sometimes slow down already slow traffic and I won't be a party to that.

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  • I never give cash.  In the rare event I have food on me I'll offer it.  I have offered donuts a couple of times and they were accepted but when I offered a banana to the guy outside the grocery store he politely declined it.

    I had a friend on FB post that people living on the street can use a new pair of socks.  I might try to take a pair around with me this winter in case I encounter anyone that can use them.
  • There is one guy I occasionally give money to.  He's in a wheelchair and severely disabled.  He is set up with this candy sale thing where he presses a button and his chair talks to say he is selling candy and gum for $1.  He seems legitimately in need, so I'll occasionally drop some money in his bucket.

    For everybody else, I really don't.  There is a shelter and food bank within a couple of blocks from where most of the panhandlers hang out.  If they are actually hungry, there is free food right around the corner.

    Now we do give to that food bank directly.
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  • Nope, I make it a rule to NEVER give to individuals (panhandlers, Go Fund Me solicitations, etc.) Its a little sad, but I guess I just don't trust people. Plus, I know that there are so many organizations, programs and foundations out there to help (which I would and do give to many).
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    I don't; part of it is a trust issue, part of it is that it feels like a personal space invasion when I'm just trying to go to CVS or something. I try to give a lot to food drives and banks to make up for it.

    One occasional exception is a Boston program called "Spare Change News." Homeless people can purchase papers for 25 cents and sell them for a dollar. A man at my old church worked his way out of homelessness thanks in part to this program.
  • We don't really have many panhandlers in our small town, so we only really encounter them on vacation.  We will sometimes give somebody a few bucks, especially if they are the industrious type--such as the guy mentioned above w/ the newspapers.  We encountered a man in San Francisco selling papers this way, and we gave him money.  In St. Louis, we offered a man outside of Cheesecake Factory our leftovers and he was very grateful and sat down right there and started eating.  It made me feel really grateful that I could do that for him. 

    I don't ignore them and I am not rude to them, unless they are harassing or scaring me--then I will ignore them and just get away.  I don't stop for the people on the side of the road because I am usually by myself in my car and I don't feel comfortable doing that.  Really, I try to be respectful of everybody, regardless of their position in life.   I suppose if I lived somewhere that I encountered this every day, it might change my perspective a little bit, but I would still try to be polite and respectful, even if I had to say no a lot more.

    I don't really think GoFundMe is the same; I mean, I don't necessarily contribute to random strangers on GoFundMe but if it's somebody I know or something in the community that I know is legit, I have contributed.  Although, GoFundMe keeps about 18% of the donations, so it's always better to give directly to the person if possible.

  • Nope. I work downtown, and they are all over. I never have cash on me anyway, but I don't give it. We have a few shelters, and they can go there for food easily. It always bothers me when I see the same people at the same place day after day, just asking for money instead of doing anything else to help themselves along. I realize I am judging because I don't know the story behind their situation, but it gets frusterating constantly feeling like your being asked to give money to everyone and every organization all the time! 
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  • If I have cash on me, I always give it. If I have a bottle of water, I always give it. H doesn't like it and he says not to trust people, but I figure that for the few dollars that I have on me (I don't really carry cash) it's worth it to maybe help someone. If they're screwing me over, shame on them. Some of the people out there really need help, and I'd rather give the cash in my pocket in hopes that whoever is asking is one of those people.

    No judgement to anyone who doesn't. Persoally, I just think it's the right thing to do. I hope I never find myself in a dire situation, but I would hope that someone would offer to help me. I like to think we all have the responsibility to take care of each other. Yes, I'm a bleeding heart. I'm okay with that.
  • Mustard76 said:
    If I have cash on me, I always give it. If I have a bottle of water, I always give it. H doesn't like it and he says not to trust people, but I figure that for the few dollars that I have on me (I don't really carry cash) it's worth it to maybe help someone. If they're screwing me over, shame on them. Some of the people out there really need help, and I'd rather give the cash in my pocket in hopes that whoever is asking is one of those people. No judgement to anyone who doesn't. Persoally, I just think it's the right thing to do. I hope I never find myself in a dire situation, but I would hope that someone would offer to help me. I like to think we all have the responsibility to take care of each other. Yes, I'm a bleeding heart. I'm okay with that.
    Totally 100% agree.  With this whole post.  But especially the bolded part.
  • @orangehills and @hoffse both mentioned nearby food banks and shelters.  Those are good points and also part of what I find irritating.  In the same area I referred to above, there is a large homeless shelter attached to a church.  I'm assuming they help with food also.

    I once had a woman stop me in a parking lot who had supposedly just moved to town, had just enough to pay first month's rent, but now no food for her kids and she was searching for anything she could get to feed them.  She also asked me if I knew of any food pantries she could walk to.  Maybe it was all a con in the hopes I would offer money, but I don't think so.  I was really struck by the fact that she only asked for food in addition to asking about a food pantry.

    On a fortuitous note, I had just finished an oatmeal sampling gig a couple days early and had tons of individually wrapped oatmeal packs in my car.  I gave her a bunch of those in a grocery store bag.  She was so surprised and even choked up a little thanking me.  I also gave her directions to that church and she even repeated them back to me to make sure she understood how to get there.

    And I guess that is the bottom line for me.  If I feel like I am genuinely helping someone in my little way while they are going through a hard time, I'm happy to help.  But the usual spiel is just a request for money...who knows if they even need it, who knows what they will spend it on.  Those are my polite, but firm, no's.

    Plus I used to manage a big gas station and we had a few regular panhandlers that frequented our station.  I would politely ask them to leave any time I saw them outside asking our customers for money.  But, when they collected enough money from wherever they went, they would return to make their purchases.  Every once in awhile it was food...but 90% of the time it was cheap beer or cigarettes, which made me just even more jaded about panhandling. 

  • In the suburb where we live I don't really encounter panhandling. My DH works in a city and takes walks on his lunch break and is constantly asked for change. He does not give, the city is fairly high crime and he sees it as a safety issue.

    Honestly I feel like the chances of a person attacking him in broad daylight for his wallet are slim but at the same time a poor woman was assaulted on a side street on her lunch break last year. It is not a deserted area by any means, so it's scary.
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    Mustard76 said:

    If I have cash on me, I always give it. If I have a bottle of water, I always give it. H doesn't like it and he says not to trust people, but I figure that for the few dollars that I have on me (I don't really carry cash) it's worth it to maybe help someone. If they're screwing me over, shame on them. Some of the people out there really need help, and I'd rather give the cash in my pocket in hopes that whoever is asking is one of those people.

    No judgement to anyone who doesn't. Persoally, I just think it's the right thing to do. I hope I never find myself in a dire situation, but I would hope that someone would offer to help me. I like to think we all have the responsibility to take care of each other. Yes, I'm a bleeding heart. I'm okay with that.

    I'm a bleeding heart too, which is why I've devoted my career to advancing the nonprofit sector. And I also think that we have a responsibility to take care of each other. But I would argue that in many instances giving in the way you are (the cash not the water) may hurt more than it helps.
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  • Sidebar: When I was in Italy a few years ago I stupidly gave 5 euros to a "pregnant" woman who was begging near a church.  After I gave her the money she literally followed me into the church and throughout the entire service kept asking me to go to the "bancomat" (which is Italian for ATM) to get more.

    I saw her the next day and she was no longer pregnant. Miracle of miracles.
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  • hoffse said:
    Sidebar: When I was in Italy a few years ago I stupidly gave 5 euros to a "pregnant" woman who was begging near a church.  After I gave her the money she literally followed me into the church and throughout the entire service kept asking me to go to the "bancomat" (which is Italian for ATM) to get more.

    I saw her the next day and she was no longer pregnant. Miracle of miracles.
    Okay, I must admit, this just made me laugh.
  • For me, the reason I don't give to panhandlers has nothing to do with judging them. These are people on very hard times who probably have never had the advantages I do in life. It comes down to a few other things. For one, I do worry a little about scams, though I think they are rare. Also, I really think people are better helped by me supporting community organizations that provide structured services. Finally, if I'm being honest, sometimes I just feel awkward. I am always polite, return polite greetings, etc.
  • I will give food, but not money. I really don't encounter many homeless, but if I had food or clothing to give I would do it. If I was outside of a food place I'd probably offer them a meal also.

    Little story: My mom occasionally works in the inner city in bad area and she is a very giving person so she would regularly buy food for the homeless and talk to them outside of the grocery stores she was working in. One day a woman who was high on drugs tried to attack and rob my mom and the homeless men she bought food for intervened and saved her from being robbed and potentially hurt. So I truly believe what goes around comes around.

    I know a lot of people mention homeless shelters and food banks, but usually there are not nearly enough of those places to feed every one in need.

    If I have it to give, I will.

  • When I was in college I was really taken for a ride. Homeless woman gave a whole story about having just had a baby and needing money for gas. I actually didn't have any money on me, but I let her ride with me in my car to the atm and gave her $20 which was quite a bit for me back then.

    Nowadays I almost never give. I have lately been looking for ways to get involved in our community to help with homelessness problems, so hopefully I can help out that way. We also give regularly to the food bank. 

    It's pretty easy to see that the prominent panhandlers in our town are professionals. Many of them live in the cheap motel next to my work place - 3 nights for 109. We do have enough shelter beds to accommodate those who need it. It seems like the more needy and sympathetic homeless population in our town is a lot more likely just to have a change bucket out but not actively ask for money. I will give sometimes in those situations. 
  • Nope. panhandling has been a huge problem in our area recently. They hang out in the the shopping district near us, at basically every intersection. usually standing next to signs like "FedEx-now hiring" "KMart-now hiring" "Seasonal work available". My husband does the hiring at FedEx, he's basically said unless there is something really terrible in their background check most these people would get hired. Several of these panhandlers have got it down, people in town have reported that they live in their apartment complexes, using housing assistance to pay for it, and I've seen a few of them out at the bar H and I sometimes frequent. 
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  • I don't give money to panhandlers because I just don't trust them. I do feel really bad for them but I just don't know the situation. If I had food or water on me I would give that, but I would never open my purse in front of them...that could lead to robbery. I also used to watch the show "Intervention" (about people who have drug addictions) and here was 1 episode where 1 of the addicts was truly homeless because the family kicked them out, and they would hold up a "homeless sign" but they would use the money to get drugs. I think this girl even had a dog (which may lure people even more to help). But I'm sorry, if I don't know your story, I can't help. I don't want to support anyone's drug habit. I would be more inclined to donate or help out a homeless shelter...that's what they are there for.
  • We don't really encounter a lot of panhandlers here- there may be a few out and about downtown but DH and I both work in the suburbs. There is one man, they call him "Williamsville Larry" that is kind of adopted by the town we work in. You can leave items for him at the local grocery store and he frequents the coffee shop nearby. He never asks for anything, but the town pretty much takes care of him. 
    When DH and I are on vacation, we usually just say we don't have cash- if I do give $, it's usually to people playing music or they have an animal.. I just feel bad for the dog or cat so I hope they will at least be fed too. 
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  • You would never see it at the part of town we live in, but it's happening more up here.  Saw one at the front entrance of target a couple weeks ago.  No I don't give out to panhandlers.
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  • We noticed there was a girl standing in the parking lot of a bed bath beyond.  After observing from our car we realized there was a man in a car further off in the parking lot who I believe was pimping her out there to get money.  I felt horrible for her - she was european girl probably in her 20s.  I think he sensed how we were on to them and after we got out of the store they were gone.
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  • When panhandlers have dogs, it actually serves two purposes (at least where I live).  It makes the person more sympathetic and it also makes them less likely to be arrested.  Because, if a police officer arrests a person with an animal, they have to coordinate with Animal Services (not sure of the exact name) or have somewhere to put the animal until Animal Services can retrieve it.  It certainly won't stop or impede the police for a major crime but, for something minor like panhandling, they just don't want to be bothered with all that.

    Over the last few years, groups of supposedly homeless teenagers/early 20s have been cropping up in the French Quarter.  These groups always have at least one dog with them.  Not that I have ever had an incident, but I find them scary and creepy.  Because it is always a group of at least 4 people and often 6-8, not just a single person pan handling.  And most of them just have this angry air about them and cold, dead eyes.  At least they aren't usually standing.  They just panhandle from wherever they are sitting on the sidewalk.

  • vlagrl29 said:
    We noticed there was a girl standing in the parking lot of a bed bath beyond.  After observing from our car we realized there was a man in a car further off in the parking lot who I believe was pimping her out there to get money.  I felt horrible for her - she was european girl probably in her 20s.  I think he sensed how we were on to them and after we got out of the store they were gone.
    That's really sad.  Sex trading/slavery in the US is far more rampant than people realize.
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  • Nope. They hang out at alot of the stop lights near me. I always see atleast one every day on my way to/from work. They stand there with a sign saying something like "unemployed single dad, need help" or w/e their story is. Thing is in my area they literally have to PAY for a permit to be able to beg for money. So they must know they can get more begging. But quite honestly - I don't believe most of them and i have no idea where that money is going. Yesterday I saw someone limping and the sign said he was disabled - so i sorta believed him but i still didn't give money.Sometimes i see these teenagers that just have that fake look on their face and i just know they are lying. My husband and I half expect them to pull out an iphone or to go home to their expensive house. Maybe that makes me a bad person, I don't know.
    The rare times i'm downtown, if someone is seriously living on the street covered in newspaper - I'd give him food or a drink if i had any.  My mom bought a homeless guy begging for change mcdonalds meal one time when we were in the city.... and she was standing up at the counter next to him and her purse was wide open right next to him and we were just waiting for her to get mugged. But he just thanked her and took the sandwich and went back outside to eat it. It was really sad. My sisters friend had one guy ask her in the city and she said "sorry i only have a hundred."  -lol now thats how you get mugged. 
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  • I never give to pan handlers.  Regularly in our local small city papers, the police write notices for people to please not give to pan handlers and instead direct them to the local shelters.  The police say that most of the people begging on the street are scamming or addicts.

    I do donate food to the local food banks on a regular basis. 
  • For me it's also a safety issue.  It's true you don't know their situation.  It's also true that it can be dangerous.  I've been robbed before (I don't know if I have mentioned that on this site or not).  It was an older teen who did it.  He was just looking for cash, but I could tell he was scared, and I was very scared.  I let him have my purse because I was afraid something worse would happen if he felt threatened by me.  In the process of that I lost my wallet, cell phone, driver's license, and keys in a city where I was just a visitor.  The whole experience was awful.

    I have also been followed by panhandlers a handful of times, and in one instance the guy was threatening me and cursing.  

    Those experiences color my perspective of this issue.

    I am very willing to help people who need to help, but with rare exception I am going to go through professional channels to do so.  We need more of them.
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  • There really do need to be more resources to help the homeless and those living under the poverty line.  Last year, Boston closed the one safe day center for homeless people due to a bridge access issue in the middle of one of the worst winters that the city has ever seen.  It was a truly dangerous situation.  A coalition of churches, including my old church, banded together to help fill the gap, which is a great example of communities of faith work the way they should.  It's tough though; it is a situation in both Boston and Providence that there are not usually enough beds for people who want them.  There are other people who don't want to go to a shelter due to distrust of the system, past abuses or bad experiences, or unwillingness to split from a romantic partner or pet.  I think we as a country need to do more to help those who cannot help themselves, especially due to disability or mental illness.  It doesn't necessarily need to come from the government; other institutions have a roll to play here too.
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