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Retirement Investments & the down market

Uhhh, it's killing me. I am (foolishly) checking my accounts about once a week and despite putting money in monthly, the balance keeps going down. I am looking at about $4,000 in losses over the last 4 months and it's so painful. 

I keep telling myself I am in the for the long haul and that it will rebound, but it doesn't make me feel any better at the moment. I really hope the market turns around in the next few months...but I am not optimistic :(

What's your strategy? Are you staying in and waiting it out? Adding more? Withdrawing funds? 
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Re: Retirement Investments & the down market

  • eh - I'm not logging in as often.  It can be depressing for sure.  I haven't done any trades.  I do have some cash available to invest and am thinking about doing it just not sure when.  I talked to an advisor with Fidelity and he mentioned maybe I should find an allocated fund to put it in.  I want something that I don't have to manage a lot.  I guess these allocation funds have LOTS of different companies in it.  I just need to do the research and figure out which one I want to try.
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  • vlagrl29vlagrl29 member
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    ok so I logged in just now to my IRA and I lost around 1k today :( in one day.  damn.  what can ya do though?  Take it out or put it all in the cash part and wait for what?  It's our only option of retirement if SS is not here.  I just wish there was an easier less riskier way to retire ya know?

    overall though I remind myself to look at the 3 year rate of return and that's still at about 6%
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  • @vlagrl29: Yes, I try to remind myself of the long run. Prior to this downturn, I was averaging 8% return in my Vanguard Retirement Index Fund. So hopefully it starts performing again soon.
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  • I just haven't been looking.  I know that money's meant to be there for at least 30ish more years, so I try not to get worked up about it.
  • bmo88 said:
    What's your strategy? Are you staying in and waiting it out? Adding more? Withdrawing funds? 

    I'm staying in and waiting it out.  No point in taking the loss and I'm confident that the funds I'm in will rebound when the market improves.  Plus most of them still pay dividends based on share count, so basically my dividends are buying more shares now than they would otherwise.  I also have 20+ years until retirement.

    However, I've got Roth IRA contributions sitting and waiting for the "bottom".  I don't expect to be able to hit the exact bottom, but I'll get close enough.

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  • I unshamlessly check the market and our account balances at least three times a day. :) If you're in your 20s or 30s the absolute worst thing you can do would be to sell and stop contributing to your retirement. We're actually looking at this market as an opportunity! We've in increased our 401k/403b contributions to the max withdrawals this year, and I'm pretty excited about the chance to to buy low!! Now for my 62 year old mom and others close to retirement or already retired, that's unfortunately another story...
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  • i just don't look. But I also don't look when the market is up. I check a couple times a year but that's it.
  • I don't look. Most of the accounts are dh's anyways so unless I ask him to show me I never can remember his passwords and usernames. My 'big' account I currently get statements 4 times a year because I'm not contributing to it. Those are the only times I look. We are still in for the long haul though. 30 years at least to retirement, so for us being able to buy so low is a good thing right now.
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  • I watch it during the day.  I find it frustrating, but mostly because I wanted a positive net worth before turning 30, and having it go lower and lower makes that harder.  It's a totally arbitrary benchmark I set for us though, and the market is going to do what it's going to do.

    I haven't changed anything.  We usually rebalance at the end of the year, which is also the time we make our Roth contributions.  Our 401(k)s are still doing what they are doing.  We increased those contributions by 1% this year as planned.

    But yeah, we don't make changes based on market performance.  We are still young enough to be primarily in stocks, and I don't think we'll start to shift away from that for another 5-10 years.  We'll ride this one out.
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  • One thing to keep in mind too is that the more you have in the market, the bigger the gains/losses are from an absolute standpoint.

    We were closing in on $100K at the end of 2015.  We lost nearly $2000 yesterday.

    But we have also had days where we gain $2000 or more.

    The numbers just get bigger and bigger the longer you do it.  I think you need to focus on the percentage if you are going to watch anything at all, because eventually the gains and losses will be in the 5-digits, and that can be kind of hard to stomach psychologically.
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  • Be honest. How many people checked their balances after reading this post?
  • smerka said:
    Be honest. How many people checked their balances after reading this post?
    I haven't, but I'm at work and had already checked over the weekend. :(
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  • hoffse said:
    The numbers just get bigger and bigger the longer you do it.  I think you need to focus on the percentage if you are going to watch anything at all, because eventually the gains and losses will be in the 5-digits, and that can be kind of hard to stomach psychologically.
    At this point both the percentages and the dollar number are depressing. :(
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  • smerka said:
    Be honest. How many people checked their balances after reading this post?
    Me! And it made me sad. But I have way too long before I can retire, so I'm sure it will bounce back.
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    jtmh2012 said:
    hoffse said:
    The numbers just get bigger and bigger the longer you do it.  I think you need to focus on the percentage if you are going to watch anything at all, because eventually the gains and losses will be in the 5-digits, and that can be kind of hard to stomach psychologically.
    At this point both the percentages and the dollar number are depressing. :(
    This- trying to stay positive and remember how bad 2008 was and things got better. Even though we have 13, 15 years with the girls' 529 plans, those amounts stress me out too. 

    Must stop checking  :)
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  • hoffse said:
    One thing to keep in mind too is that the more you have in the market, the bigger the gains/losses are from an absolute standpoint.

    We were closing in on $100K at the end of 2015.  We lost nearly $2000 yesterday.

    But we have also had days where we gain $2000 or more.

    The numbers just get bigger and bigger the longer you do it.  I think you need to focus on the percentage if you are going to watch anything at all, because eventually the gains and losses will be in the 5-digits, and that can be kind of hard to stomach psychologically.
    Truth and that's what makes it hurt more for me.  Earlier last year I was at about $165k in my portfolio and it makes me sad what it is today.  I would just love to get over the 200k mark.
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  • smerka said:
    Be honest. How many people checked their balances after reading this post?
    I haven't. :) It's soooo tempting with my Roth IRA because I can look at it all the time. My 401k doesn't show me daily performance, just quarterly so it's hard to see what's really happening there on a regular basis anyway and it takes away the temptation to check too often.

    We're definitely buying right now. We're withholding the max allowable amount for our 401ks in the hopes to buy low, and I'm watching the markets and waiting to make timely contributions to my Roth IRA when everything seems super low. It's so sad when I do look at our performance but I try to remind myself we're in it for the long haul and the losses will become gains in time.
  • Funny I just got my Fidelity statement in the mail today.  I've lost $6800 year to date.  I'm trying to figure out what the hell I should do.  Keep it in save funds?
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  • smerka said:
    Be honest. How many people checked their balances after reading this post?
    I haven't, and this post is a good reminder not to, because it would just be depressing :)
  • I'm staying put with my logical mind, but have a hard time not checking Fidelity.  I have Acorns, so I just check that instead.  Its much easier to watch $200 go down the tubes than $20,000.  I even took the Fidelity app off my phone, but since I add to my Roth monthly there's no way to avoid seeing the balance now and then.
  • The market wasn't quite so bad today.

    My accounts were up a net of $18!
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  • smerka said:
    Be honest. How many people checked their balances after reading this post?
    Ha!  I just did.  My account lost 8k from Friday to Monday.  Well into 5 digit loss year to date.  Didn't check DH's.  Honestly, I don't care.  I hope it goes down a little more so my bonus (and tax refund for our non-retirement account) can purchase more.  :)  I think most of us have time on our side, so I wouldn't worry.
  • edited February 2016

    Some economists are saying that stocks are highly over-valued right now, as much as 80%. This means there are likely more corrections coming. I do not think we are done seeing the market tumble due to this overvaluation, but also due to other factors like China, oil, other world issues (terrorism and weather troubles), and issues like our government's debt.

    It has always been conventional investing wisdom that over time, assets increase in value and that one can expect an average rate of return of 10-12% in the stock market if one is in it for the long haul.

    But, looking at the housing bubble. it's proof that highly-inflated assets will pop and come down. Many people bought at the height of the bubble and got upside down pretty quickly on their homes. Others bought in the middle of the bubble's deflation. Some of them got upside down too. Others just won't recoup what they paid for the home for a long time, or ever. But, then there are others who bought at the very bottom of the bubble's descent and they did the best.

    I haven't been in stocks since July 2015 when I sold all my mutual funds roughly 3 weeks before that rocky stock market day we had. At first I had them parked in my money market. And, now I have them there and other places (ETFs, not stocks or bonds). Since then, I have made a return of 4.1% and while it's not much, I haven't lost anything.

    I plan on also reevaluating things in months ahead, but to stick it out in my current investments until I think the market has regained balance.

    Just my perspective, though. Investing is a personal endeavor. Ultimately, we all/each have to be comfortable with our decisions. For all we know, an EMP could wipe out our financial system for 18 months and we'd all lose everything anyway.

  • Well the conventional wisdom is an average of 10% per year because that's what it's actually been when looking at the historical average return per year since the stock market began.  That includes the 2008 crash.  

    I think that we will see it drop more, but I really don't think it's all doom and gloom.  The primary indicators for the health of the actual US economy (of which the stock market is only a small part) are still quite good, and a lot would need to change for us to be in true recession territory again.


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  • A little off topic but, with a previous company I worked with (ACS), I heavily invested in their employee stock program.  I used to check their stock price multiple times a day...more out of boredom.  One day, the value had shot up about 18% overnight.  Very unusual and I was thinking, "Whoa!  Something happened!"

    I googled my employer to see what was going on, lol.  Apparently, two of the companies in the S&P 500 had merged, which left a spot open.  And ACS was chosen to take that spot and be added into the S&P 500.  It was a lovely "cha-ching" moment.  I hope you all start having some of those moments soon!

  • Dh told me tonight that he had read that we may be going into another recession - really? I've felt that we haven't 100% recovered from the last one.
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