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Rent: raise it or not?

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Re: Rent: raise it or not?

  • 3 months isn't that out of the ordinary in Boston in my experience. Your landlord IS required to pay you interest on the security deposit and last month's rent though - it's 5% annual interest OR they have to keep it in a separate, interest bearing account (and provide you with the account information) and pay you the actual interest earned. In my experience though 99% of landlords do not follow this law and many of them aren't even aware of it (until I tell them...give me my money thankyouverymuch). 

    Actually, although it is a common requirement throughout the country that a security deposit is kept in a separate interest bearing account, that isn't true everywhere.  And especially designating a specific interest rate like 5% is for your region, which is an outrageous percentage, so I'm guessing it is a penalty interest rate for LLs for not keeping it in a separate interest bearing account? 

    For example, in the entire state of Louisiana, there is no stipulation at all that a security deposit has to earn interest or even be kept in a separate account.


    Yes I didn't write that clearly - here in Boston that's what is required so it makes the 3 months deposit a little less of a burden (it's basically just forced savings). I'm sure it varies wildly around the country. The 5% isn't that outrageous because in 2008 when I first started renting that was actually a interest rate you could get at ING and other online banks -  I think it was just never adjusted to down to take the recession into account. Massachusetts is also very tenant friendly which I personally think it a good thing. 
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    Interesting!  I have never heard of anything like that.  Sounds like an insurance policy, of a sort.  I'm going to post on my BP board and ask about this.  I think people would be clamoring for my rentals even more if they only had to pay a small, non-refundable bond.
    I'm sure the long term renters love it, but I didn't care for it.  I'd rather have been able to get my money back at move out.  But we were also there for six months and took special care to keep things clean so that it was essentially turn-key for the next tenants.  But somehow, I have a feeling we'd been out the money either way.
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  • 3 months isn't that out of the ordinary in Boston in my experience. Your landlord IS required to pay you interest on the security deposit and last month's rent though - it's 5% annual interest OR they have to keep it in a separate, interest bearing account (and provide you with the account information) and pay you the actual interest earned. In my experience though 99% of landlords do not follow this law and many of them aren't even aware of it (until I tell them...give me my money thankyouverymuch). 

    Actually, although it is a common requirement throughout the country that a security deposit is kept in a separate interest bearing account, that isn't true everywhere.  And especially designating a specific interest rate like 5% is for your region, which is an outrageous percentage, so I'm guessing it is a penalty interest rate for LLs for not keeping it in a separate interest bearing account? 

    For example, in the entire state of Louisiana, there is no stipulation at all that a security deposit has to earn interest or even be kept in a separate account.


    Yes I didn't write that clearly - here in Boston that's what is required so it makes the 3 months deposit a little less of a burden (it's basically just forced savings). I'm sure it varies wildly around the country. The 5% isn't that outrageous because in 2008 when I first started renting that was actually a interest rate you could get at ING and other online banks -  I think it was just never adjusted to down to take the recession into account. Massachusetts is also very tenant friendly which I personally think it a good thing. 

    I respectfully disagree on that.  Nowadays, even in landlord friendly states (which I live in one) tenants have a substantial amount of necessary rights.  And that is a good thing.  But "tenant friendly states" usually equal "bad tenants take advantage of LL's" states.

    And, with that, I'm more referring to the eviction process on a non-paying tenant.  Not really the much more minor stuff like interest rates on security deposits.  For example, in NOLA...and not that I've done it, but I've researched it...if a tenant stops paying rent, I can have them evicted in 2-3 weeks.  And that's "sheriff is at the door with movers I've hired" putting all their stuff on the curb in 2-3 weeks.  I can also DIY an eviction and not have to hire an attorney, because it is fairly simple and uncomplicated.

    But in tenant friendly states like Mass., CA, and NY.  A smooth eviction with no problems takes 2-3 MONTHS and the LL better hire a real estate attorney for at least their first one.  And if someone is unfortunate enough to have what we in the biz call a "professional tenant", they can even drag that eviction substantially longer than 2-3 months.

    Craziest eviction story I have heard.  Unfortunately I don't remember what state the investor was in.  He bought a piece of land.  Just a plot of land.  But there happened to be a dilapidated shed on it.  And someone was living in it.  Long story short.  It took him 3 years and countless court hearings before he was given permission to make the man leave and take the shed down.  He had, many times, even offered the guy money to leave.  A lot of money, I think $2-$3K.  Certainly enough to move to a motel and stay for quite awhile.  But the guy wouldn't take it.

    When they finally tore the shed down, what was in it was a bunch of fast food type trash, lots of porno mags and...drumroll...one very thick hardback law book, just like you would find a bookshelf of in a lawyer's office, specifically on the subject of landlord/tenant law.

  • short+sassy I can definitely see that scenario and I agree it sucks for honest landlords that it's harder to evict someone in tenant friendly states, but I think that is a risk/cost of doing business. I have had some sketchy landlords before (i.e. electricity is included in the rent and then the power was shut off for 2 days during a heat wave because he never paid the bill and he had the audacity to scream and me and another tenant for calling him to get it fixed while he was on vacation; another one that would enter my unit without cause or notice because "she owns the place") and the tenant laws are there to protect good tenants from bad landlords. Unfortunately for every bad tenant there are also bad landlords who think it's an easy way to make cash without any effort and don't respect tenant rights. On the flip side I had an AMAZING landlord for years and we had a great relationship - if I ever had to rent again I would probably call him and ask if he had a unit available. 


  • short+sassy I can definitely see that scenario and I agree it sucks for honest landlords that it's harder to evict someone in tenant friendly states, but I think that is a risk/cost of doing business. I have had some sketchy landlords before (i.e. electricity is included in the rent and then the power was shut off for 2 days during a heat wave because he never paid the bill and he had the audacity to scream and me and another tenant for calling him to get it fixed while he was on vacation; another one that would enter my unit without cause or notice because "she owns the place") and the tenant laws are there to protect good tenants from bad landlords. Unfortunately for every bad tenant there are also bad landlords who think it's an easy way to make cash without any effort and don't respect tenant rights. On the flip side I had an AMAZING landlord for years and we had a great relationship - if I ever had to rent again I would probably call him and ask if he had a unit available. 


    Totally agree!!!  And the two bad LL things you mentioned are almost unilaterally against the law everywhere, even in landlord friendly states.  At least I've never heard of anywhere that allows the LL to turn utilities off or enter premises without a notice (except in the case of emergency).  But the amount of "notice" is a regional difference.  Most places it is 24 hours, but some areas can be 48-72 hours. 

    My worst LL wasn't even a person, it was a huge apartment complex.  The heat kept going out, it was every few days.  I'd call, they'd send one of their maintenance guys the same day...so that was good...but then it would break again later in the week.  By about the 3rd or 4th time, I pointed this out to them and asked them to send a real A/C and Heat company.  They refused.  I told them they had one more chance and, if it still didn't get fixed, they needed to call a professional or I would be setting up an escrow account with the court and paying my rent to that until the heating was permanently fixed.  I think I floored them with my knowledge, but it was finally fixed for good.

    And for anyone who has major problem they need their landlord to fix and that person is not being diligent, you can't just stop paying them rent, but you can do what I outlined above ;)

  • edited February 2016
    We're in our second year in our rental and our rent was raised $10 with an offer of a $15 credit per month if we had rent automatically taken from our checking account.  We actually saved $5 per month.  I have noticed "Now Leasing" signs around which we have never seen before.

    We lived in this same complex in a small unit as a newly married couple and I believe at that time (2007-2009 ish) the monthly increases were around $50.  I'm guessing they are having a hard time renting all the units now.
  • I would raise them something like $30-50 a month.

    Great tenants, especially these days, are very hard to come by!! The fact that they respect your place is a rarity in this world. If you raise them too much, they may leave. You may be successful in filing the space but you risk getting people who are dirty or who don't pay or BOTH. I had the later in the past and it is not fun to deal with a problem tenant. Time and stress = cash imo

  • catching up after an extra long weekend away, thanks all for your input.

    i emailed the tenants to remind them they need to decide by Mar 1 if they're staying for another year & notified them of the $25 increase. haven't heard back, if I had to guess, they're house-hunting & probably won't renew. 


  • NicA617 said:
    catching up after an extra long weekend away, thanks all for your input.

    i emailed the tenants to remind them they need to decide by Mar 1 if they're staying for another year & notified them of the $25 increase. haven't heard back, if I had to guess, they're house-hunting & probably won't renew. 

    SITB

    I have lost more tenants to them buying their own home than anything else!  It's one of those moments of, first feeling happy for them, but then feeling sorry for me, lol.  If they don't renew and do leave, on the bright side, it's the perfect opportunity to raise the rent to market rates and get a lot more cashflow for your investment.

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