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Update: My piano hunt continues

I posted about this a few months ago and have some updates:

First, our built-ins are now finished, with space for an upright piano to go in the middle.  My dad helped with these.  They were a DIY and total investment was about $300.  Pics below (side-note: the pic makes the shelves look a little curved, but they are not.  My camera just couldn't get a straight shot of them for some reason...).

As for the piano...

We have been to California and inspected a piano that has been "given" to my H, which currently resides at his grandma's house.  It's in terrible condition.  At least a dozen keys did not play, and the tone of it was metallic, which indicates the sound board is in bad shape.  It's not a brand that's worth restoring.  The cost to have this thing moved across the country is more than the piano itself is probably worth, so H is in the process of gently telling his mom and grandma that we aren't going to take it.  

So now I'm back to looking at local options.  Here is where I am at:  

We could buy a used version of exactly what we want for around $4,000.  Our ideal piano is a Yamaha U1, black studio upright, gorgeous sound. The piano store near our house has one right now for that price.

I could take a gamble on something that could be great or could be terrible from Craigslist.  I would have to hire movers to get it to our house.  The piano, moving, and tuning costs would probably run in the $500-$1,000 range.  It could get more expensive than that if it needed actual repairs and not just a good tuning.

I found a semi-retired piano tech who has his own piano moving business.  He seems to pick up cheap pianos when he finds them and fixes them up for resale.  I have contacted him to see what he has.  Right now, he doesn't have anything in his online gallery that looks AMAZING, but I could probably find something that plays OK in the $1,000-$2,000 range from him.  And because he has a piano moving business, he usually throws in the moving fees and a free tuning as part of the price.

I'm inclined to go with the last option because it's cheaper than a piano store, but I have more certainty than with Craigslist.  I'm on the fence though.  Part of my waffling is that I played on maybe 25 pianos at the piano store, and I always came back to the same two brands - Yamaha and Kawai.  Literally every other piano I played from a different brand sounded "wrong" to me.  Yamahas and Kawais tend to be more expensive though.  H and I could go up to $4K, but we would rather set our ceiling at $2K.  However, I'm concerned we will have to compromise on the sound to get a good price, and then I'm going to hate playing it.

What would MM do?
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  • TBH for something like that, it's basically an heirloom piece.  Spend the money to get what you want.  You won't be happy if you go the "MM" route, and you'll end up regretting it I bet.  
  • While I don't think there is anything wrong with buying used off CL...especially from a guy who does it for a side business...I think the most important thing is that you really like the sound and feel of the piano you all purchase.  This is a major purchase that is going to be the centerpiece of whatever room it lives in.  You'll play it.  (I'm assuming) you're H will play it.  I also suspect any future kid(s) will have at least some lessons on it...and maybe years of lessons if it is a hobby they like.

    For this kind of purchase that will be used for years to come, I'd err on the side of buying a piano you all really love, even if it is more expensive.  I even cringed a little when you described "I could probably find something that plays OK", lol.

    If you haven't already, I'd let CL piano guy know the two pianos you all had especially liked and get his feedback for how often he gets those pianos/similar quality pianos in.  Maybe wait a bit to see if you can get the best of both worlds.

    P.S. Those built-ins look great!  I'm planning to do something similar in my living room for an accent wall that currently has an electric fireplace.  We would be DIYing also.  You're giving me hope it wouldn't be too expensive or time consuming, lol.

     

  • I agree with PPs, this is an item you won't want to compromise on.  The fact that the piano store has what you want for $4K is fantastic.

    Hoffse, you work hard and MM hard.  It is time to treat yo self.


  • Thanks for the feedback.  I think this is a head or heart conflict, lol.

    Honestly, I'm not opposed to upgrading in the future if that made sense.  H and I both did it for our primary instruments after a few years.  This is how we ended up having to get a musical instrument rider on our home insurance....

    I actually think that with the Yamaha we really liked we would never need to upgrade, even if we had a kid who took lessons and got very good.  The U1 is a semi-professional instrument, in that a lot of pros have them in their studios for practice.  It's WAY better than I need right now, but maybe it's good to get something that could accommodate a pretty advanced player? 

    Regardless of what I actually need, the way it sounds is going to be a big deal for me.  My mom played on a Kawai as I grew up, so I think that's why I prefer the Japanese sound.    

    Originally I wanted to wait until the end of the year to do this so that we could save up for exactly what we wanted.  The problem I'm facing is that I've made very slow progress in the last couple of months because there are now 4 keys on my clavinova that stick.  The more I've played the worse it's gotten.  They are all in the middle 3 octaves, and it's getting to the point where I can't play around them anymore.  My progress has pretty much come to a halt until I get a replacement.

    I think I'm going to ask the guy if he has any Yamahas or Kawais and how often he gets them.  I guess I could wait another month or two if it meant getting what we want at a better price....  otherwise, maybe I just bite the bullet and then spend the rest of the year rebuilding our savings.

    @short+sassy, the built-ins were a lot of work, but went quickly.  We had them built, installed, and primed in 1 weekend.  We painted the following weekend.
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    The bookcases look awesome! and I think we have the same rug (or very similar.. it is PB?) I have no advice on the piano other than you should get one that you love.. the fact that you actually know how to play it makes the purchase worth it and it will be something you can have forever.  I agree with @csuave - treat yo'self!   :) 
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  • Lol did I break the MM board??

    Seriously, thanks for the feedback though!  Time to talk to my H...
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  • labrolabro member
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    Oh man, I'm going the "go with what you love" route too. But I will say, there are good quality pianos on CL that are out there! H acquired his Yamaha through a retired piano teacher who was selling it on CL. I forget how much he paid for it, I think it might have even been $2k, but they do exist on the market!

    I honestly feel like it wouldn't hurt to give it another month or two just to see if something DOES come up. Especially if you talk to this guy...he may know of one that's not for sale yet but will be soon or he can even direct you along the right path towards finding what you really want.

    For reference here is ours. She tossed in the art print and the clock as part of the "deal" along with a ton of sheet music since she didn't have a need for it anymore. The thing is heavy as hell though! We've had to have it moved a couple of times and the piano moving company told us this was one of the heaviest uprights they had ever handled.

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  • Thanks @labro!  The Yamahas sound nice don't they?

    I've thought about looking in Atlanta, because it's only two hours from B'ham, but I just don't know what that would cost for shipping.  I have found quite a few Yamahas on CL there for under $3K, so it's worth running that down.  Even if we paid $300-$400 in shipping, we could come out ahead on that.  Going local would be significantly easier though.

    I'm not opposed to CL for the right make/model.  The CL market for pianos is just a little thin in B'ham, and our market is flooded with Baldwins.  I think I read there was a Baldwin factory in Alabama or Mississippi that closed in the 80's....  that would explain why I can find 5 Baldwins for every Yamaha.

    There are also a bunch on our CL that are like, "Black piano for sale!"  No description of make/model.  Definitely no serial number.  I can't tell what they are from the photos.

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  • We just bought a used upright piano from a friend and her kids last winter for $100. And, we had to move it.

    Neither DH nor I play, but I have been teaching myself (I sing, so it hasn't been too tough because I already read music).

    It is not a decent brand at all...but since it's a "beginner" piano, we are okay with it. Our kids are still to little to play, but we hope to get them lessons when they are older and IF it is something they (or even just one of them) want to continue, then we will most certainly upgrade to a better, more quality instrument.

    But for the time being, my beginning to play and the hope that our kids will in the future is worth the few hundred bucks we spent.
     
    Just more MM food for thought. Your comment about you and your DH not starting out with super nice instruments right off the bat resonated with me.
  • hoffse said:
    Thanks @labro!  The Yamahas sound nice don't they?

    I've thought about looking in Atlanta, because it's only two hours from B'ham, but I just don't know what that would cost for shipping.  I have found quite a few Yamahas on CL there for under $3K, so it's worth running that down.  Even if we paid $300-$400 in shipping, we could come out ahead on that.  Going local would be significantly easier though.

    I'm not opposed to CL for the right make/model.  The CL market for pianos is just a little thin in B'ham, and our market is flooded with Baldwins.  I think I read there was a Baldwin factory in Alabama or Mississippi that closed in the 80's....  that would explain why I can find 5 Baldwins for every Yamaha.

    There are also a bunch on our CL that are like, "Black piano for sale!"  No description of make/model.  Definitely no serial number.  I can't tell what they are from the photos.

    Isn't that crazy?  I'd say I'm surprised, but I see it all the time when I am trying to buy or sell something on CL.  No pics at all and/or basic info is missing.  If I want to sell something, I want to sell it ASAP, and try to make my ad as enticing as possible.

  • I'm going to echo everyone else.  Your DH is a serious musician and it is something you also enjoy.  You both work hard and are very careful with your finances and this is something that you will likely have forever. I would spend the extra money to get what you want so you don't have to sell and buy something else in 5 years when you have more money.
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  • Ditto what many others have said....I'd spend the money and get what you'd want, like and would play!  It's something you'll have for a long time - I think it's worth spending the money for something you'd love and use.
  • @MommyLiberty the upgrade thing is definitely a consideration.  I have been through two flutes.  I actually started on a very good intermediate-level flute thanks to a great flea market find of my dad's, and then I moved to a professional instrument in high school.  My H was a music major and has actually been through 5 clarinets, but he began with a true starter instrument.

    So we definitely traded up when it made sense, but it's an expensive undertaking.  I don't think I'll ever get to the point on piano that I reached with flute.  It would be ideal to find a solid, intermediate piano that has a very nice sound so I enjoy playing it.   Then if we happen to wind up with a little pianist who takes it seriously, I'd be willing to go all in for a professional piano in 10-15 years.  The issue I'm having is I really really care about the sound.  I didn't realize how much I cared until I played 20 pianos I hated.  Blah.  I'm hoping I can find something that's in a sweet spot between sound and price.

    If your kids start lessons, make them keep going for at least a little while!  I know so many adults who regret quitting.  You'll probably know if they have a natural aptitude for it before middle school. 
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  • hoffse said:
    The issue I'm having is I really really care about the sound.  I didn't realize how much I cared until I played 20 pianos I hated.  Blah.  I'm hoping I can find something that's in a sweet spot between sound and price.

    For this reason alone, I think you need to hold out for something you really want vs getting something that's just OK.  It sounds like you and your husband can both play well enough that if you settled for something, you'd probably not play it just because you'd know it didn't sound right which will annoy the heck out of you.

    What about repairing the clavinova to tide you over?


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  • jtmh2012 said:
    hoffse said:
    The issue I'm having is I really really care about the sound.  I didn't realize how much I cared until I played 20 pianos I hated.  Blah.  I'm hoping I can find something that's in a sweet spot between sound and price.

    For this reason alone, I think you need to hold out for something you really want vs getting something that's just OK.  It sounds like you and your husband can both play well enough that if you settled for something, you'd probably not play it just because you'd know it didn't sound right which will annoy the heck out of you.

    What about repairing the clavinova to tide you over?


    I looked into that, but it's going to be pricey for a very old instrument.  This was a pretty high-end one when it was purchased maybe 15 years ago, but it's been handed down and moved around.  The entire keyboard would need to be replaced, and that costs more than the thing is actually worth at this point.  I'm actually amazed it still turns on given how old it is.

    I think my plan is to do some hunting within my ideal price range and see what I can find. If I strike out, I'll keep saving to increase my budget for it. 

    I made contact with one of the piano techs yesterday.  I told him what I'm looking for, and he has a few he wants me to play.  If none of them work, he will be looking for me as well.  I also found a place in Atlanta that will service B'ham, so we may look there too.  They seem to have a much larger stock of used pianos than what I can find locally.

    I have decided we aren't going to buy anything we don't really like.  I think something will pop up in the price range I was hoping to pay, but I might have to wait a bit longer than I like.  We'll see.  I'm hopeful this piano tech has something for me or will be able to find something for me.  I'm meeting him tomorrow to play on a few he has lined up, so I'll keep everybody posted.
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  • hoffse said:
    @MommyLiberty the upgrade thing is definitely a consideration.  I have been through two flutes.  I actually started on a very good intermediate-level flute thanks to a great flea market find of my dad's, and then I moved to a professional instrument in high school.  My H was a music major and has actually been through 5 clarinets, but he began with a true starter instrument.

    So we definitely traded up when it made sense, but it's an expensive undertaking.  I don't think I'll ever get to the point on piano that I reached with flute.  It would be ideal to find a solid, intermediate piano that has a very nice sound so I enjoy playing it.   Then if we happen to wind up with a little pianist who takes it seriously, I'd be willing to go all in for a professional piano in 10-15 years.  The issue I'm having is I really really care about the sound.  I didn't realize how much I cared until I played 20 pianos I hated.  Blah.  I'm hoping I can find something that's in a sweet spot between sound and price.

    If your kids start lessons, make them keep going for at least a little while!  I know so many adults who regret quitting.  You'll probably know if they have a natural aptitude for it before middle school. 

    I hear you on that! When I started singing in 6th Grade, my mom asked me if I wanted to play the piano. I said no. To this day, I regret it. Playing an instrument/singing have so many wonderful uses in adulthood even if one isn't a professional.

  • didn't read all the replies but instruments are very important to me obviously so I would be inclined to just get the one at the music store.  You could check out craigslist for a little bit and play them to see if you like them but get what you want since you will actually be using it and it's not just for looks.

  • If your kids start lessons, make them keep going for at least a little while!  I know so many adults who regret quitting.  You'll probably know if they have a natural aptitude for it before middle school. 

    I hear you on that! When I started singing in 6th Grade, my mom asked me if I wanted to play the piano. I said no. To this day, I regret it. Playing an instrument/singing have so many wonderful uses in adulthood even if one isn't a professional.

    Yep, very true.  Unfortunately, it takes a few years before playing becomes any fun when you are just starting out, and too many kids are allowed to quit too soon because they think it's boring.  

    The good news is most little kids don't have the ear training to hear how bad they are when they are just beginning.  I started on flute in elementary school, and I have no memory of being really bad.  My parents have assured me I sounded terrible for a few years.

    Flash forward to college, and I decided to pick up violin.  Now I'm old enough to hear exactly how bad I am.  It can be pretty demotivating for adult learners.  I wish my parents had put me on a string at a younger age.  Violin has been a much harder instrument for me than piano.

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  • hoffse said:
     
    Flash forward to college, and I decided to pick up violin.  Now I'm old enough to hear exactly how bad I am.  It can be pretty demotivating for adult learners.  I wish my parents had put me on a string at a younger age.  Violin has been a much harder instrument for me than piano.
    I played violin for a year in 4th grade.  Really wish I'd kept with it.  Keep thinking about picking it back up, but haven't done it. :(
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  • labrolabro member
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    @hoffse I'm glad you're going to stick it out for what you want, also that you're expanding your search in Atlanta! I think it will make it much easier to find something at your ideal price point that will also meet your sound quality standards! There's a much much larger market here and I really think that even when you consider delivery costs, it will work out in your favor.

    Lol'ing at the oboe scholarship! I played trumpet for years and years and as I got older I was pretty terrible about practicing at home so my parents really only heard just me play when I was younger (and horrible). I had a trumpet audition at college and my dad was all set up to start cringing and he told me afterwards how he was so impressed. 

    I really love the sound of H's Yamaha. I've never learned how to play through an instructor but I can read the music at least and pick my way through some of his beginner practice books.
  • hoffse said:

    If your kids start lessons, make them keep going for at least a little while!  I know so many adults who regret quitting.  You'll probably know if they have a natural aptitude for it before middle school. 

    I hear you on that! When I started singing in 6th Grade, my mom asked me if I wanted to play the piano. I said no. To this day, I regret it. Playing an instrument/singing have so many wonderful uses in adulthood even if one isn't a professional.

    Yep, very true.  Unfortunately, it takes a few years before playing becomes any fun when you are just starting out, and too many kids are allowed to quit too soon because they think it's boring.  

    The good news is most little kids don't have the ear training to hear how bad they are when they are just beginning.  I started on flute in elementary school, and I have no memory of being really bad.  My parents have assured me I sounded terrible for a few years.

    Flash forward to college, and I decided to pick up violin.  Now I'm old enough to hear exactly how bad I am.  It can be pretty demotivating for adult learners.  I wish my parents had put me on a string at a younger age.  Violin has been a much harder instrument for me than piano.

    H jokes that our college savings plan for any future children is going to be an oboe scholarship.
    agree - I have 3 adult students and 1 of them gets very discouraged if she doesn't sound like she thinks she should.  I always have to reassure her on her progress.
  • Oh and for the sports fans out there...

    The owner told me Nick Saban bought a piano from him a couple years ago.  Apparently his wife and son both play extremely well.

    The piano he selected was a crimson-colored baby grand.  Of course it was.
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  • Glad everything worked out!
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    Yay congratulations!!! I'm glad you found something you loved for your price point!
  • That's wonderful news you all found a piano you liked and got such a great deal on it!  Didn't even have to wait very long :).

  • Congratulations! Looks great!
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  • Looks awesome and congrats again....:)
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