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This veggie garden thing...

H and I planted a raised bed for the first time this year, and I think I'm getting a little obsessed.  We just "harvested" our first few peppers this weekend and made a delicious guacamole with them.  Now I want more!

I'm seriously thinking of branching out (no pun intended) into berry bushes and citrus trees.  We are far enough south that there are a few varieties that will grow here in the ground, and many more varieties that can be grown in pots.  It only goes below freezing a few weeks out of the year.

We have a very sunny (and hot) back patio that is mostly uncovered.  We toyed with the idea of doing a screened in porch back there because we just never used the space prior to this spring, but I'm starting to think we should just embrace what we have (sun!) and grow things instead.  It would be a heck of a lot cheaper, and whatever we plant in pots can go with us when we move.  We realized our veggie garden has gotten us out there a ton in the last couple months, so maybe we don't need the screened porch to enjoy the space.  See how I'm rationalizing it, lol?

P.S. I just learned that the guy who did virtually all of the gardening for Southern Living for years opened a shop locally.  I am absolutely dying to go see what it's like...


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  • labrolabro member
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    edited April 2016
    1. I'm jealous.

    2. EXTREMELY JEALOUS of the SL garden guy opening a shop nearby.

    I'm not as experienced about growing stuff in pots. I know strawberries do really well. How long are you planning to be in your house for? I feel like I've heard you can get away with lemon trees in pots for awhile.
  • That's awesome! We love our garden, too. I'm super jealous you're already harvesting! We do lots of peppers and tomatoes in pots, and garlic in our raised beds. Garlic is SO EASY. Greens are tough between beetles and bunnies, but this year I'm trying again with row cover and cages. We're also going to put in some highbush blueberries, though I should probably be good and get our soil tested for metals first since we're in a city. It would be awesome to be able to do citrus! We could do an apple tree, but you really need to be ready for when the apples come in the fall or a lot get wasted, and I'm just not sure we're up for it.
  • Well Southern Living is based in Birmingham.  I have an acquaintance who used to be a taste tester for them - she says it was great, except you would be eating holiday food in the summer and summer food around the holidays, lol.

    I have driven by this guy's shop before, and it always looked cool, but landscaping/gardening wasn't something we were prepared to focus on until recently.  I didn't realize he had been the primary landscaper for Southern Living, but one of my colleagues told me about the connection. Apparently he will "do your yard for you" (to use my colleague's words).  Ummm, yes please!  I'm sure it's pricey though :)

    We will probably be here another 6-8 years, so I'm not opposed to planting in the ground, but our patio is the very definition of full sun.  I keep reading about all these dwarf varieties of trees and bushes that need full sun and apparently do great in pots... you just might need more than one plant to get a good yield any given year since they are smaller.  They also can't take sub-freezing temps, so pots allow you to move them indoors when needed.

    We are thinking of doing some blackberry bushes in the ground - they used to grow wild across the street from my parents' house in N. Georgia, and I literally sold them by the gallon for pocket money growing up.  Soooo delicious, and I have never been able to stand the taste of store-bought blackberries because they are so much tarter than ones that fully ripen on the vine.

    @Xstatic, we are just beginning to be able to harvest, but it's already got me hooked!  I haven't looked into garlic at all, but I will have to check that out.

    We have had great success so far with cilantro, basil, and peppers.  Our tomatoes are looking great, but still growing and at least several weeks from beginning to harvest.  We planted some greens, and they look healthy but haven't really done anything.  I think it might be too hot for them here.  Oh and rosemary... we have a rosemary bush that comes up to my waist.  We can't seem to get it under control...
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  • My parents have a really large vegetable garden that's fenced off to protect it from rabbits, deer, etc. They grow carrots, potatoes, asparagus, brussels sprouts, tomatoes, bell and banana peppers, green beans, pea pods, cucumbers, lettuce, zucchini, yellow squash, pumpkin, garlic, onions, corn, and tons of herbs. They also have 2 apple trees, 3 peach trees, a strawberry patch, blueberry/raspberry/blackberry bushes. They have a small greenhouse where they start everything from seeds- they exclusively use Johnny's seeds (non-GMO seed company) and they don't spray. My dad is retired, so this is his full time job in the spring and summer.. lots of work, but it was something they really wanted to do when they bought their farmhouse and land. My parents grow enough to feed us, them, family members, my mom's coworkers, and she cans/freezes a bunch for the winter too. 

    We've grown tomatoes, pea pods, and blueberries at our house- all really easy and they did well. We reclaimed the space we used to use for the tomatoes, so the girls could have a little bit more of a yard (our yard is very small), but we still grow pea pods on a trellis and we have 3 blueberry bushes that are part of our backyard landscape.   


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  • @Cbee your parents' garden sounds amazing!

    I'm also very interested in trying some more obscure plants that grow here really well: figs, satsumas, pawpaws, etc.  

    My H isn't as on board with that because he has never eaten many of them (key difference in growing up in Atlanta vs. any other part of GA).   I'm working on getting him on board though, and I think he would be game if we end up enjoying the garden for more familiar things.

    I would LOVE to grow avocados because we spend a small fortune on them every year, but it gets too cold here to grow in the ground, and I don't think it would fruit in a pot.  Sad.
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  • labrolabro member
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    The thing about avocados is they'll take 5 years to produce...if they produce at all. We managed ours in a pot for 3 years (started it from a seed) before we finally sent it further south with a friend to somewhere near Tampa Bay. We brought it in in the winter but it was really suffering from the dry inside air. Hopefully it's happy in its new home! I'm pretty sure I've read stories of them fruiting in pots though, but I don't think it's the norm.

    If you have the room in your garden bed, you could start some asparagus roots. They take about 2 years before you're supposed to harvest them in order to allow the roots to develop. We're on year 2 with ours and I'm seriously considering digging them up and transferring them whenever we move because I didn't wait 2 years just to leave them! Same with my rhubarb! I had to let it mature last year but this year I'm allowed to finally harvest!

    My collard greens did well over the winter...I think you just have to be picky about what season you plant your greens in in order to get a decent harvest.

    Something easy and MM - Next time you buy green onions for a recipe you can stick the bulbs back in the ground with about an inch of the green base sticking out and they'll sprout new tops! Mine overwintered nicely in Atlanta and I have green onions constantly now for recipes. I think you can even do the same thing with lettuce somehow but I haven't tried it personally.
  • @labro, there is definitely a learning curve to it.  I grew a few basic things growing up, and I made sure to plant those plus a couple extra things that H pulled off the shelf, but we didn't really sit down and think through it enough when we did this first round of planting.  The good news is we mostly guessed right, but we definitely messed up by planting a few things now vs. later.

    Going forward we are going to be more strategic/thoughtful about it.

    You should definitely transplant your asparagus and rhubarb!  Don't leave them for the next people who live there!  
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  • labro said:
    The thing about avocados is they'll take 5 years to produce...if they produce at all. We managed ours in a pot for 3 years (started it from a seed) before we finally sent it further south with a friend to somewhere near Tampa Bay. We brought it in in the winter but it was really suffering from the dry inside air. Hopefully it's happy in its new home! I'm pretty sure I've read stories of them fruiting in pots though, but I don't think it's the norm.

    If you have the room in your garden bed, you could start some asparagus roots. They take about 2 years before you're supposed to harvest them in order to allow the roots to develop. We're on year 2 with ours and I'm seriously considering digging them up and transferring them whenever we move because I didn't wait 2 years just to leave them! Same with my rhubarb! I had to let it mature last year but this year I'm allowed to finally harvest!

    My collard greens did well over the winter...I think you just have to be picky about what season you plant your greens in in order to get a decent harvest.

    Something easy and MM - Next time you buy green onions for a recipe you can stick the bulbs back in the ground with about an inch of the green base sticking out and they'll sprout new tops! Mine overwintered nicely in Atlanta and I have green onions constantly now for recipes. I think you can even do the same thing with lettuce somehow but I haven't tried it personally.
    We just bought a house and I found a rhubarb plant.  Do you know if there is a way to tell if it's ready to harvest?  They were in the house for 50+ years, so logic tells me the rhubarb has been there a while but I have no idea.  I have a major black thumb but we have a ton of perennials and the rhubarb so I am desperate to not kill them all
  • If you buy any berries or fruit trees, you should check out Stark Brothers out of Missouri. They ship nationally and have been in business since the 1800's. They have a fantastic website and give specific details about site and nutrient requirements for these plants.

    Any fruit tree will require years to bear fruit. So, if you plan on moving, I wouldn't put the money into them.
  • cbee817 said:
    My parents have a really large vegetable garden that's fenced off to protect it from rabbits, deer, etc. They grow carrots, potatoes, asparagus, brussels sprouts, tomatoes, bell and banana peppers, green beans, pea pods, cucumbers, lettuce, zucchini, yellow squash, pumpkin, garlic, onions, corn, and tons of herbs. They also have 2 apple trees, 3 peach trees, a strawberry patch, blueberry/raspberry/blackberry bushes. They have a small greenhouse where they start everything from seeds- they exclusively use Johnny's seeds (non-GMO seed company) and they don't spray. My dad is retired, so this is his full time job in the spring and summer.. lots of work, but it was something they really wanted to do when they bought their farmhouse and land. My parents grow enough to feed us, them, family members, my mom's coworkers, and she cans/freezes a bunch for the winter too. 

    We've grown tomatoes, pea pods, and blueberries at our house- all really easy and they did well. We reclaimed the space we used to use for the tomatoes, so the girls could have a little bit more of a yard (our yard is very small), but we still grow pea pods on a trellis and we have 3 blueberry bushes that are part of our backyard landscape.   


    Johnny's Seeds are great! I also like Territorial Seed Company.
  • blondie42107blondie42107 member
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    My parents always had a pretty large garden so I've been walking barefoot in dirt since I could walk.  My parents planted enough potatoes that they stored in a root cellar (attached to our basement) that my mom never has to buy them.  They also do corn, peas, green beans, peppers, onions, etc.

    H and I have the smallest garden compared to what I'm used to.  We do patio tomatoes and peppers because they grow really well in pots and it leaves us more room in our garden.  We do various salad greens, zucchini, summer squash, cucumbers, peas, green beans and eggplant.  I know I'm missing some.  We also have a nice sized grape vine.  We don't have berries anymore but they can be done in larger pots.

    I'm farther north so we don't get the luxury of gardening outside of late spring/summer/early fall.  Our library has a nice selection of heirloom seeds.  They also offer gardening info sessions which is good for beginners.  

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  • I'd like to throw a question into this discussion-what veggies does everyone find get the most bang for a small space? For example, last year I planted four eggplant starts in a 4 x 4 bed and got an eggplant a day, July through October. That was an awesome use of the space! Meanwhile, four broccoli plants in the same sized area only yielded enough broccoli for four meals. Poor use of space. This year I'm going to try some summer squash, since they seem to be pretty prolific, instead of broccoli. Any other thoughts? I have more space I could use, but we bring in soil and that gets expensive. I've already planned to use most of my garden budget this year on blueberry bushes and tulip bulbs, so trying to be efficient otherwise.
  • and here I am sitting back waiting for my strawberry hanging plant to start growing some strawberries that we can pick - lol :)
  • @Xstatic3333 Zucchini, summer squash, cucumbers, peppers and tomatoes are the typical items we have to check everyday and constantly have to pick. We did a climbing cucumber last year and that really saved on space. Green beans and peas too.
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  • @Xstatic3333 Zucchini, summer squash, cucumbers, peppers and tomatoes are the typical items we have to check everyday and constantly have to pick. We did a climbing cucumber last year and that really saved on space. Green beans and peas too.

    Beans! I completely forgot to look into beans. We have one of those permanent clothes lines in our backyard and I want to try using it as a trellis. I had a pretty frustrating tomato year last year. I felt like I was constantly mixing up vinegar and herb concoctions to try to get rid of one bug or another, so this year I'm just doing cherry tomatoes since they don't need to get as big. Thanks for the suggestions!
  • @Xstatic, we have nearly 40 buds from a single jalapeno plant, and we're about ready to do our second round of picking from that one.  We might do an additional bell pepper plant next year because they take longer to fruit than the smaller peppers.  

    For herbs, we have found 2 cilantro plants and 2 basil plants is plenty for us to do Mexican and Italian once a week (so far).  It's really hot here though and those things are heat-loving.  We would probably want a third plant in a colder climate.

    We are having the same issue with a couple things requiring more space than is necessarily reasonable, so we are already talking about how we are going to change it up next year.  I would like to try cucumbers and summer squash.

    Semi-related - I have run across "Smart Pots," which are aerated pots.  They get pretty amazing reviews, and they are sold on Amazon.  We have a ton of credit there from Christmas that we haven't spent, so H and I are thinking of picking up a couple and trying these.  Does anybody use something like this?


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  • I love this thread! I pot gardened when I live in apts., but my neighborhood has insane chipmunks and squirrels and they eat everything. I tried for two years, but the darn things would literally pull plants out of the ground.
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  • labro said:
    The thing about avocados is they'll take 5 years to produce...if they produce at all. We managed ours in a pot for 3 years (started it from a seed) before we finally sent it further south with a friend to somewhere near Tampa Bay. We brought it in in the winter but it was really suffering from the dry inside air. Hopefully it's happy in its new home! I'm pretty sure I've read stories of them fruiting in pots though, but I don't think it's the norm.

    If you have the room in your garden bed, you could start some asparagus roots. They take about 2 years before you're supposed to harvest them in order to allow the roots to develop. We're on year 2 with ours and I'm seriously considering digging them up and transferring them whenever we move because I didn't wait 2 years just to leave them! Same with my rhubarb! I had to let it mature last year but this year I'm allowed to finally harvest!

    My collard greens did well over the winter...I think you just have to be picky about what season you plant your greens in in order to get a decent harvest.

    Something easy and MM - Next time you buy green onions for a recipe you can stick the bulbs back in the ground with about an inch of the green base sticking out and they'll sprout new tops! Mine overwintered nicely in Atlanta and I have green onions constantly now for recipes. I think you can even do the same thing with lettuce somehow but I haven't tried it personally.
    We just bought a house and I found a rhubarb plant.  Do you know if there is a way to tell if it's ready to harvest?  They were in the house for 50+ years, so logic tells me the rhubarb has been there a while but I have no idea.  I have a major black thumb but we have a ton of perennials and the rhubarb so I am desperate to not kill them all

    We have rhubarb. It's ready when the stalk is red. I have never gotten ours to look like the stuff at the store though. Just be careful with the leaves. They have something in them (an acid maybe) that isn't safe to eat. I put them in landscape waste - do not compost them. FYI - rhubarb freezes well. Just cut it in small pieces and freeze in a single layer.
  • We struggle with birds eating our strawberries and we've had no luck with tomatoes the last couple years. That makes me sad.
  • hoffse said:
    @Xstatic, we have nearly 40 buds from a single jalapeno plant, and we're about ready to do our second round of picking from that one.  We might do an additional bell pepper plant next year because they take longer to fruit than the smaller peppers.  

    For herbs, we have found 2 cilantro plants and 2 basil plants is plenty for us to do Mexican and Italian once a week (so far).  It's really hot here though and those things are heat-loving.  We would probably want a third plant in a colder climate.

    We are having the same issue with a couple things requiring more space than is necessarily reasonable, so we are already talking about how we are going to change it up next year.  I would like to try cucumbers and summer squash.

    Semi-related - I have run across "Smart Pots," which are aerated pots.  They get pretty amazing reviews, and they are sold on Amazon.  We have a ton of credit there from Christmas that we haven't spent, so H and I are thinking of picking up a couple and trying these.  Does anybody use something like this?



    Nice! We love the hot peppers too. I freeze them to use all year. This year I'm doing six plants in containers. Bell peppers were a dud for us. Last year most of them rotted on the vine before ripening. I may try again in the future, but for now I'm taking a year off. Just stuck a bunch of Cilantro seeds in the ground. I've had medium success there. Last year the flea beetles made it tough to get herbs growing, but this year with row cover I'm hoping for better luck. Basil is a good idea, too.
  • Wow. I must live in a really different area than many of you. Our peppers are still in pots indoors and I don't plan to plant them in the garden until June! I generally don't have good luck with peppers, eggplant, or even full sized tomatoes because our growing season is too short. We get lots and lots of cherry tomatoes, though, and snap peas are my absolute favorite thing to grow. We also get plenty of cucumbers and zucchini (until the mildew gets them) and green beans. We usually plant bush beans so we don't have to worry about more trellis space.

    Since last year we have been starting most of our seeds ourselves indoors, and I don't know if I can ever go back to buying them. It is so much cheaper to buy seeds than plants. Plus it gets all the garden excitement going earlier. I did have to buy some broccoli this year because our baby plants didn't survive, but that's probably all I will buy. Every vaguely west facing window in our house is full of seedlings right now!
  • maple2 said:
    Wow. I must live in a really different area than many of you. Our peppers are still in pots indoors and I don't plan to plant them in the garden until June! I generally don't have good luck with peppers, eggplant, or even full sized tomatoes because our growing season is too short. We get lots and lots of cherry tomatoes, though, and snap peas are my absolute favorite thing to grow. We also get plenty of cucumbers and zucchini (until the mildew gets them) and green beans. We usually plant bush beans so we don't have to worry about more trellis space.

    Since last year we have been starting most of our seeds ourselves indoors, and I don't know if I can ever go back to buying them. It is so much cheaper to buy seeds than plants. Plus it gets all the garden excitement going earlier. I did have to buy some broccoli this year because our baby plants didn't survive, but that's probably all I will buy. Every vaguely west facing window in our house is full of seedlings right now!
    We are definitely going to try some seeds next year.  This year, the whole "Oh let's do a raised bed" thing was actually sort of a random project that we decided to do while we were at Home Depot one day.  We got started too late for seeds this year, but next year I definitely want to try it.

    We have had highs in the mid-80's all week, and I finally succumbed and turned on the A/C yesterday.  I think that's why our peppers have been growing like weeds for us.  I'm pretty sure our more delicate plants are going to fry though.

    Sometimes I think about what I would do if I had all the money, lol - I think it would be a lot of fun to have a real greenhouse with climate control to be able to grow things that are outside of our zone or off-season!
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  • I'm jealous of everyone's gardens.  I plan to have some raised beds eventually but since we haven't done our back landscaping yet, I can't really do anything.  

    The growing season here is pretty short too.  No point in even starting anything outside until mid-May.  We had tons of frost this morning, and it's supposed to snow this weekend :-P

    I did see that Costco had some pre-fab raised bed boxes for a really reasonable price, I think $80 for 2 of them?  
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    @Xstatic I definitely second jalapenos (and other hot peppers if you can find them). We got MORE peppers than we knew what to do with all season long and they kept producing up until frost (which is late for us). I always get tons of cucumbers, summer squashes (last year I didn't check for a few days and ended up with a zucchini longer than my forearm!). Our cherry tomatoes went nuts last summer and took over half the garden. I've never had much luck with bell peppers either. For some reason we never seem to get a ton on the vine and/or they rot before we can harvest.

    kmurphy2131 There are two types of rhubarbs- red and green apparently. It's pretty tough to kill them so I wouldn't worry so much about your "black" thumb! Mine grow to about a height of 2 feet or so and the stalk is at least two inches thick around the base, which for me I'd call ready to harvest. Green rhubarb stalks will be more tart than red. You could try and wait and see if the green stalks turn red/reddish if they aren't already and then try to harvest.
  • You all are great inspiration!  Especially @labro and @hoffse, since I know you all live in the same climate I do.  I'm gung ho to put in bell peppers now, because those things are spendy and I love them.  Nice to know they grow well and abundant in the South.

    I have the luxury of large backyard that allowed me to put in a long raised garden.  It gets full sun all day.  We've had amazing luck with cilantro.  It dies off for a few months in the winter but, the rest of the year, it grows into a gigantic 3' x 3' bush.  We also grow basil, strawberries, tomatoes, and radishes.  Our front yard is small, but we have a rosemary bush out there. 

    Radishes are new to our garden this year and have been growing great.  I don't like them, but my H does.  We've been growing enough that he grabs a handful every few days.

    @hoffse, one type of fruit tree that grows really well in our climate is papaya.  I don't have one, but where I used to live, my neighbor did.  It was very healthy and produced fruit every year during the season.  The other thing that is nice about papaya trees is they only take about one year after planting to produce fruit.  I've been meaning to plant one myself.

  • Pole beans. But you have to have a proper trellis structure to support the weight. They can grow over 6' high and only take up a square foot of dirt.
  • For people having trouble with animals getting in, have you tried staking some 4' rebar down a foot or so and then tying some of that heavy duty plastic netting wrap around the perimeter of your garden? If you bury a few inches of the netting, then the animals wouldn't crawl under the wrap. Also, a lot of online gardening sites, even Amazon, sell bird netting. You prop it up and tie it to support around the plants you want the birds away from and you make a "door" in it for harvesting and maintenance that gets tied shut when work isn't being done to the plot.
  • maple2 said:
    Wow. I must live in a really different area than many of you. Our peppers are still in pots indoors and I don't plan to plant them in the garden until June! I generally don't have good luck with peppers, eggplant, or even full sized tomatoes because our growing season is too short. We get lots and lots of cherry tomatoes, though, and snap peas are my absolute favorite thing to grow. We also get plenty of cucumbers and zucchini (until the mildew gets them) and green beans. We usually plant bush beans so we don't have to worry about more trellis space.

    Since last year we have been starting most of our seeds ourselves indoors, and I don't know if I can ever go back to buying them. It is so much cheaper to buy seeds than plants. Plus it gets all the garden excitement going earlier. I did have to buy some broccoli this year because our baby plants didn't survive, but that's probably all I will buy. Every vaguely west facing window in our house is full of seedlings right now!

    If you buy seeds from a company like Johnny's or Territorial, you can specifically buy short season varieties of all of these plants. Short season means they grow and produce in a shorter period of time. For example, many potatoes take 90 days to mature. But if you buy short season potato varieties, you can get ones that mature in 75 days. This is what you have to do in climates with shorter growing seasons (like me here in Minnesota).


  • I'm jealous of everyone's gardens.  I plan to have some raised beds eventually but since we haven't done our back landscaping yet, I can't really do anything.  

    The growing season here is pretty short too.  No point in even starting anything outside until mid-May.  We had tons of frost this morning, and it's supposed to snow this weekend :-P

    I did see that Costco had some pre-fab raised bed boxes for a really reasonable price, I think $80 for 2 of them?  
    If you're using raised beds for edible plants, just be sure they aren't chemically treated wood as that will leach into the soil and then into your plants' roots. And, buy raised beds that are deep enough for plants with deeper root systems. Personally, I wouldn't invest money in a raised bed unless it was at least 12" deep. A deeper bed means you can rotate crops each season more easily because most plants will be fine in 12" of soil and you can do root crops like carrots, beets, etc..
  • I'm jealous of everyone's gardens.  I plan to have some raised beds eventually but since we haven't done our back landscaping yet, I can't really do anything.  

    The growing season here is pretty short too.  No point in even starting anything outside until mid-May.  We had tons of frost this morning, and it's supposed to snow this weekend :-P

    I did see that Costco had some pre-fab raised bed boxes for a really reasonable price, I think $80 for 2 of them?  
    If you're using raised beds for edible plants, just be sure they aren't chemically treated wood as that will leach into the soil and then into your plants' roots. And, buy raised beds that are deep enough for plants with deeper root systems. Personally, I wouldn't invest money in a raised bed unless it was at least 12" deep. A deeper bed means you can rotate crops each season more easily because most plants will be fine in 12" of soil and you can do root crops like carrots, beets, etc..
    They weren't wood, I think these were them: http://www.costco.com/White-Vinyl-Raised-Garden-Bed-2-pack.product.100153335.html  The price I saw was a special.   These probably aren't something that will last for forever, but are a good MM way to get a small garden going.
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