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CRV vs. Pilot

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H and I are probably going to trade in my car at the end of the year.  I currently drive a Honda CRV and love it.  I'm inclined to just trade it in for another one, but all the parents I know say that it's not nearly enough space for kids and all of their stuff.  H and I will be TTC at the end of the year, and while you never know how that's going to go... we are hoping that it will be successful, so we will buy a car with this in mind.

The Pilots seem huge to me.  I like driving more compact cars because I work in a downtown city area where parallel parking, construction, tight spots, etc. is a reality.  I would also like to be somewhat minimal when it comes to all the kid gear.

That said, I know I'm not a parent, so I do realize that "the plan" in my head and what might actually happen could be two totally different things.

It seems to me that a CRV + trailer could solve most of the large issues we would face with cargo room.  I would like a trailer for my next car anyway, because we use my car to haul garden/lawn stuff, and even with tarps it sometimes gets dirty.  We have space in our garage to store a small trailer so that it's not an eyesore, and there are plenty of options that would work for us that cost less than $1,000 new (I would look for used options too).  I figure that once we put a hitch on the car then there are lots of options to extend cargo space externally for longer trips and such.  That said, this probably isn't a realistic solution for day-to-day errands, so we would need enough internal cargo room for strollers, bags, groceries, and whatever other stuff people haul around for kids.

Also, we have no dogs, just two cats.  We don't road trip with them very often because they hate it, and we hate it.

The difference between the two cars is about $10K.  

So are all the parents I know right in that you really need a full-sized SUV to be comfortable?  Or are they just being excessive with how much crap they haul around all the time?  What am I missing here?
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  • labrolabro member
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    Speaking from the not-a-parent perspective. My sister got and drove a Toyota Highlander SUV in anticipation of having a family. She had a baby and suddenly that Highlander with all its space was just not the right fit anymore. Her husband unfortunately totaled the Highlander and they recently purchased a Honda Odyssey instead and well...she loves it. You can open and close the passenger doors and the trunk with a push of a button. It's SO much easier to fit the carseat into the Odyssey's seats for some reason...maybe because it's a little lower to the ground than her SUV was. The trunk is deep and fits all of the baby's accessories. It's got a great turning radius and is easy to park/back out/do whatever you need even in tight parking lots. I think it's easy to go overboard with baby stuff...but they still tend to need a lot even just for short trips. When we all go to Florida next month she'll need to bring at a minimum her pack n play, a high chair that straps onto a normal chair, and stroller. That doesn't include any toys, clothes, diapers, diaper bag, etc.

    With that said, my SIL drives a Mazda 6 (4 door sedan) and it suits her family of four perfectly well. Both kids are still in booster seats I think, but it has a deep trunk with lots of room for your usual grocery run or a road trip.
  • I went from a 4 door civic with 2 kids to a subaru forester and it has been amazing! They don't hit their heads anymore on the car doors and they have tons of room plus built in cup holders in the middle. I test drove a new CRV and I didn't like them- the back window was so small and you throw a high booster car seat in there and you can't see anything. Test drive a bunch of SUVs- see what you like. Good luck!
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  • hoffsehoffse member
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    Oh I didn't even think about not being able to see out the back... OK, that's a real consideration I will have to keep in mind.
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  • smerkasmerka member
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    I have two kids and currently drive a Saturn Vue. We have never really had any space issues, but we don't go on many overnight trips. We are planning on trading it in soon for something with a third row (minivan or Pilot). If you can, I would keep the CRV and see what you need once you have kids. If you do or plan to do a lot of road trips, you'll appreciate the space especially with more than one kid. The middle of most back seats disappears when you put in two car seats. When I had babies, I seriously would have loved to have a minivan for the sliding doors. Those infant seats are very bulky.
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    This is a good website for dealing with car seats. http://csftl.org
  • jtmh2012jtmh2012 mod
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    hoffse said:
    So are all the parents I know right in that you really need a full-sized SUV to be comfortable?  Or are they just being excessive with how much crap they haul around all the time?  What am I missing here?

    Personally, I think they're being obsessive with how much stuff they haul around.  You don't need a full sized SUV.  My wife and I make do with a Chevy Impala and a Honda Accord.  I've seen my neighbors CRV and it looks to have more space than we have.

    We also have a 19yr old and all his stuff....but we're normally only taking a diaper bag or two and a stroller.

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  • hoffse said:
    Oh I didn't even think about not being able to see out the back... OK, that's a real consideration I will have to keep in mind.
    From my understanding (I never did this), Babies R Us will let you take a demo seat out to your car to see how it fits.  Since you already have a CRV, you could try this out to give you some reference.
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  • IMHO I would avoid any vehicle with a Takata airbag. Here is the list: http://blog.caranddriver.com/massive-takata-airbag-recall-everything-you-need-to-know-including-full-list-of-affected-vehicles/

    We have a Cadillac SRX. While we don't have child, I do have a MIL with a walker. I love that car and has enough room for the three of us and a small dog. If we needed to fit a car seat in there, we could make it work. It's not crazy big or expensive like the Escalades (Plus, some of those that the bad airbags). It was actually the cheaper option between the Cadillac and the Buick Encore.

  • Definitely following this thread - H and I are having pretty much the same dilemma. We currently have a 2007 Camry (mine) and a 2005 Sonata (his). It's time to get rid of the Sonata and for him to take over the Camry, and we want to replace it with an SUV. In anticipation of TTC, we are looking for an SUV that will be more roomy but not overly big, and something that won't be a huge gas guzzler (which I realize is a little crazy for an SUV, but some seem to be a lot better than others in this respect). For a long time, the RAV4 was the big contender, but then we realized it doesn't seem like it holds a lot more than my Camry, so we considered the Highlander, but that seems TOO big, and to get one with all the features we want would be in the $30k+ range, and we're hoping to spend under $30k. Lately, we've been leaning towards the Subaru Forester or Outback, as they seem to give the size we want with the features for the price we're shooting for. If anyone has any info/experience/feedback for the Forester or Outback, I'd love to hear it.

    As for your OP, @hoffse, I personally don't have any experience with the CRV vs. the Pilot, but I think it's a case of what I mentioned above about the RAV4 vs. the Highlander. Our neighbors have a Pilot, and the thing just seems so massive, and I'd imagine that you'd run into a similar issue if you're looking for certain features as far as the starting price goes. If compactness is a priority for you, I'd go with the CRV and make it your business to plan ahead when you're taking a future little one somewhere and not take everything under the sun, or move forward with the trailer option for the additional space when you need it.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    emily1004 said:

    IMHO I would avoid any vehicle with a Takata airbag. Here is the list: http://blog.caranddriver.com/massive-takata-airbag-recall-everything-you-need-to-know-including-full-list-of-affected-vehicles/

    We have a Cadillac SRX. While we don't have child, I do have a MIL with a walker. I love that car and has enough room for the three of us and a small dog. If we needed to fit a car seat in there, we could make it work. It's not crazy big or expensive like the Escalades (Plus, some of those that the bad airbags). It was actually the cheaper option between the Cadillac and the Buick Encore.


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    Thanks for sending the complete list.  My current car got a recall notice for those airbags, so we are going to take it in this summer to have them replaced.  Thankfully, the replacement will be free.  But good idea to avoid it altogether, since we are in the market.

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  • hoffsehoffse member
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    So I think I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around all the "stuff" and the size of this stuff.  I'm a light packer and low maintenance - over Christmas I did 10 days in Europe with a carry-on, and it was fine.  I know all the gear and stuff gets big, but I have a hard time understanding exactly how big.  When H and I pack for ourselves it's a pretty minimal experience, and I have difficulty imagining multiplying that by like 4 for one tiny person.

    I just don't visualize things well.

    @jtmh2012 I like the idea of going to a baby store and at least seeing if I can get a sense of scale.  The point about sight-lines is a big deal... I don't want to buy something that becomes difficult to drive as a kid gets older.

    The CRV can hold a remarkable amount of stuff with the seats down.  I know this wouldn't work with kids, but I once fit a 72" television console into my CRV with the hatch closed.  It barely fit, but we got it in there, and I was able to drive the car.  
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  • hoffse said:
    So I think I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around all the "stuff" and the size of this stuff.  I'm a light packer and low maintenance - over Christmas I did 10 days in Europe with a carry-on, and it was fine.  I know all the gear and stuff gets big, but I have a hard time understanding exactly how big.  When H and I pack for ourselves it's a pretty minimal experience, and I have difficulty imagining multiplying that by like 4 for one tiny person.

    I just don't visualize things well.

    For most trips around town, we just take a backpack that we use as a diaper bag and we take the stroller just in case.  The diaper backpack goes either in the front seat with me or in the back seat next to the kid.  The stroller hangs out in each of our cars.

    When "traveling" right now, all his stuff fits in our suitcase along with our stuff.  But it does mean we usually take one size up from whatever we normally take.

    It also helps that we don't live in our cars.  When we get home, everything comes out (except the strollers).  I know some people who leave their kids sports bags for soccer/football/whatever in the car 24/7 even when they're not headed there.

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  • We travel to see family - two ish hours away. We rarely took a stroller to go grocery shopping but I know some people do. I used a Moby wrap when my kids were little. Strollers can be bulky. I second trying carseats outout at Babies R Us. Also try strollers out too. We didn't have much trouble with a single but we could barely fit our double stroller in Caliber and it took up a lot of room. You travel and I assume you will continue to after having a baby. My friends have zero family out of town and never go anywhere (out of town, etc) so they have three kids (ages 2, 4, and 7) in one car. So keep in mind what you might want to travel with. We kept a pack n play at my parents house but that was about it. If we went for a three day weekend (diapers, wipes, clothes, pump, bottles, food, our stuffstuff, etc, a stroller if needed...). It adds up. Bottom line, I'd rather have more room than we need than not enough. We don't have enough....
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  • smerkasmerka member
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    My kids are less than a year apart so my POV is a little skewed. But two rear facing car seats will make the back seat useless except for the kids (though there is space on the floor). If either of you is exceptionally tall, your front seat might not be able to go back far enough to be comfortable. We had a double stroller from time my first was 11 months and those things are pretty huge. It fit in the back of my Vue, but any groceries had to go on top of it. If you breastfeed, you won't have to carry as much, but plan on bottles, formula, burp cloths, change of clothes, diapers (and bags to carry dirty ones if you cloth diaper), wipes, blanket, diaper cream, small toys, snacks when they're older, etc. We used one small diaper bag for both kids, but when it was all four of us and the stroller, my car was pretty full. I would ask friends with kids for a visual of the car seats. And kids rear face until at least two now.
  • we have 1 kid and I'm still driving my 2 door hatchback ford focus which is smaller than your honda CRV.  How much stuff you put in your car is entirely up to you - really all you will bring in the beginning is a diaper bag.  I plan on still driving my ford focus whenever #2 comes along.  I plan on still buying another focus but 4 door hatchback when the time comes to get a newer car.

    Now if you are planning on 3 kids then you need to get either a mini van or suv
  • strollers are bulky but I put mine in the hatchback of my car.  I plan on using mainly moby wrap next time
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    vlagrl35 said:
    we have 1 kid and I'm still driving my 2 door hatchback ford focus which is smaller than your honda CRV.  How much stuff you put in your car is entirely up to you - really all you will bring in the beginning is a diaper bag.  I plan on still driving my ford focus whenever #2 comes along.  I plan on still buying another focus but 4 door hatchback when the time comes to get a newer car.

    Now if you are planning on 3 kids then you need to get either a mini van or suv
    Trust me, if I end up with 3 kids it's because things did NOT go according to plan!  Not necessarily a bad thing, but I can hardly imagine.  Only child speaking here, lol...
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  • hoffse said:
    So I think I'm having a really hard time wrapping my head around all the "stuff" and the size of this stuff.  I'm a light packer and low maintenance - over Christmas I did 10 days in Europe with a carry-on, and it was fine.  I know all the gear and stuff gets big, but I have a hard time understanding exactly how big.  When H and I pack for ourselves it's a pretty minimal experience, and I have difficulty imagining multiplying that by like 4 for one tiny person.

    I just don't visualize things well.

    @jtmh2012 I like the idea of going to a baby store and at least seeing if I can get a sense of scale.  The point about sight-lines is a big deal... I don't want to buy something that becomes difficult to drive as a kid gets older.

    The CRV can hold a remarkable amount of stuff with the seats down.  I know this wouldn't work with kids, but I once fit a 72" television console into my CRV with the hatch closed.  It barely fit, but we got it in there, and I was able to drive the car.  
    just stick with the CRV especially if you like it - theres plenty of room for 1 kid in there.  My in laws have a CRV and use it to transport DD sometimes.
  • Someone earlier up the thread asked about Foresters; my two best mom friends have and love them. The new versions are pretty roomy and so, so nice. As for us, we will welcome this LO to a Honda Fit and an Impreza. That's just how it's going to have to be. I'm pretty determined not to go overboard on stuff, and we also aren't planning to have two in quick succession (i.e. two rear facing at once and double strollers) so I think I'll be ok. A big wildcard seems to be stroller size. I already research a bit when I'm bored, and there's a huge variety in size, complexity, and level of luxury. I think lightness will be a priority for us, and I'm hoping to mostly baby wear early on, so not planning to be on the larger end of strollers. Already parents, feel free to laugh at my goals and naivety.
  • Someone earlier up the thread asked about Foresters; my two best mom friends have and love them. The new versions are pretty roomy and so, so nice. As for us, we will welcome this LO to a Honda Fit and an Impreza. That's just how it's going to have to be. I'm pretty determined not to go overboard on stuff, and we also aren't planning to have two in quick succession (i.e. two rear facing at once and double strollers) so I think I'll be ok. A big wildcard seems to be stroller size. I already research a bit when I'm bored, and there's a huge variety in size, complexity, and level of luxury. I think lightness will be a priority for us, and I'm hoping to mostly baby wear early on, so not planning to be on the larger end of strollers. Already parents, feel free to laugh at my goals and naivety.
    If you have a stroller they are just going to be heavy and akward to get in and out of your car no doubt unless you have that small umbrella stroller that at least a toddler sits in.  I'm going to be all about baby wearing with #2 because I hated toting that stroller everywhere.  DH said that baby will always be on my teet - lol.  He's probably right.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    OK not to hijack my own thread or rehash something we've discussed a lot, but is the huge stroller really even necessary?  My SIL just registered for my niece and there is a LOT of very expensive baby gear, nursery furniture, etc. on there.  And every bit of it is lavender and pink and LARGE.  I know this is a weird impression to have, but the entire registry struck me as really impractical.

    Anyway, it seems like everybody registers for these massively huge strollers (not BOB's, but like the graco kind), but I hardly see them actually being used by random people in public.  So do people get them and then just abandon them after a couple uses, or am I oblivious?  I could totally be oblivious - I didn't start noticing baby stuff until pretty recently. 
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  • That's a good question, @hoffse. I'm also interested in the answers.
  • hoffse said:
    OK not to hijack my own thread or rehash something we've discussed a lot, but is the huge stroller really even necessary?  My SIL just registered for my niece and there is a LOT of very expensive baby gear, nursery furniture, etc. on there.  And every bit of it is lavender and pink and LARGE.  I know this is a weird impression to have, but the entire registry struck me as really impractical.

    Anyway, it seems like everybody registers for these massively huge strollers (not BOB's, but like the graco kind), but I hardly see them actually being used by random people in public.  So do people get them and then just abandon them after a couple uses, or am I oblivious?  I could totally be oblivious - I didn't start noticing baby stuff until pretty recently. 
    yes we had registered and gotten the graco stroller that comes with the baby carseat.  I used it a lot in the first year.  Back then me and my mom could go shopping in the mall and just stick her in the stroller while she was still in the car seat.  I had gotten hooks that would strap the diaper bag on to the stroller as well so I could stick the shopping bags in the bottom of the stroller.  Once she got mobile she didn't want to be in ANY stroller so that's when shopping kinda went out the window.  I think for those situations where your out for a few hours and need free hands these kinds of strollers are good.  I felt though that it never really pushed straight - I totally want a different stroller next time.  Once we started going to amusement parks and what not - we then got a wagon around the time she was 1.5 - years. 
  • really though you don't need much for a baby.  our family bought us all the necessary stuff.  I never registered for a diaper wipe warmer but MIL ended up buying us one.  We are very practical people. We did splurge on some cute bath toys.
  • vlagrl35 said:
    really though you don't need much for a baby.  our family bought us all the necessary stuff.  I never registered for a diaper wipe warmer but MIL ended up buying us one.  We are very practical people. We did splurge on some cute bath toys.
    Personally, I think the diaper warmer is a waste of money.  We never have ours plugged in, but again, one of those things we were given and didn't ask for.
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  • jtmh2012 said:
    vlagrl35 said:
    really though you don't need much for a baby.  our family bought us all the necessary stuff.  I never registered for a diaper wipe warmer but MIL ended up buying us one.  We are very practical people. We did splurge on some cute bath toys.
    Personally, I think the diaper warmer is a waste of money.  We never have ours plugged in, but again, one of those things we were given and didn't ask for.

    We never had one. I think they are silly but that's just me. I know others that loved them. Same with bottle warmers. I exclusively pumped early on. I tried to pump and feed so there was no need to warm a bottle. When I used frozen milk, I popped the frozen milk storage bag in a bowl with warm water. Took less than a minute because I froze my milk "flat" - very quick to thaw. And babies don't need milk/formula to be warmed forever.
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  • hoffse said:
    OK not to hijack my own thread or rehash something we've discussed a lot, but is the huge stroller really even necessary?  My SIL just registered for my niece and there is a LOT of very expensive baby gear, nursery furniture, etc. on there.  And every bit of it is lavender and pink and LARGE.  I know this is a weird impression to have, but the entire registry struck me as really impractical.

    In my opinion, a lot of baby stuff is personal preference / lifestyle dependent. 

    We have an umbrella stroller that was given to us (not on a registry) and neither of us tend to use it.  Kid loves it, but we're both on the tall side and the umbrella stroller just isn't tall enough.  Not sure if it is just that particular one or if they're all like that.

    We do also have a larger Chico travel system stroller.  Loved that thing when it came to being able to drop the bucket seat into it right from the car.  Even now that he's older, I'd say we still use it enough to make it worth having, but he is at that point where about half the time we end up carrying him.

    Also, remember the stores encourage you to register for everything under the sun because they want you and your friends and family to spend money.  Some things I think one should wait until the kid gets to the point of using them to look at.

    We never registered for a pack and play, but my wife's uncle got us one anyway.  We've rarely used it.  Our son never liked being in it.  We also have one of those vibrating rocker things.  Used it some, but again, never really used it.

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    hoffse said:
    OK not to hijack my own thread or rehash something we've discussed a lot, but is the huge stroller really even necessary?  My SIL just registered for my niece and there is a LOT of very expensive baby gear, nursery furniture, etc. on there.  And every bit of it is lavender and pink and LARGE.  I know this is a weird impression to have, but the entire registry struck me as really impractical.

    Anyway, it seems like everybody registers for these massively huge strollers (not BOB's, but like the graco kind), but I hardly see them actually being used by random people in public.  So do people get them and then just abandon them after a couple uses, or am I oblivious?  I could totally be oblivious - I didn't start noticing baby stuff until pretty recently. 
    The baby jogger city mini is the BEST stroller in the world. I registered for some garbage Graco one that matched the infant carrier and the next year, we had the city mini. We don't jog at all, but if you walk on uneven surfaces (even bumpy sidewalks from tree roots), this is the best stroller ever. It's small, folds up easy, has big tires, easier to manuever, and both girls loved it. You can buy an attachment for the infant carriers and then take it away when your child outgrows it. We gave it to one of DH's friends and she still raves about it and is using it on her 2nd this summer. Also, don't want to plug a website, but AlbeeBaby.com usually has the best prices on things with free shipping... especially car seats and strollers. 
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    MrsRap720 said:
     If anyone has any info/experience/feedback for the Forester or Outback, I'd love to hear it.

    Raises hand! My mom was the first to get a Forester in 2010- at the time DH had a 2006 Outback and it was surprisingly difficult to get an infant carrier in and out of it (the doors/windows in the back were sloped strangely). We put the car seats in her Forester a few years ago to see how they fit and fell in love. Last year, DH's car had a long list of repairs (including power steering and brakes) so he opted to buy a 2015 Forester. He loves it and the girls do too. This spring, my 2003 civic was running fine, but with 2 kids, a long list of maintenance repairs (new tires, new brakes, etc) coming up and the car only worth about $3,500, we decided to get a 2016 Forester for me. I have never driven a SUV or anything bigger than a civic, and I love this car.. can't say enough about it!

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  • hoffsehoffse member
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    Yeah we are looking at the Forester too because it looks like you can get the automatic braking and lane departure stuff on a lower trim level than with the CRV.  Granted, going with the CRV would give me an excuse to finally have leather seats, so...

    My H is insisting on having that technology for me because we are in stop and go traffic a lot.  That shortens the list considerably and puts the Pilot at the very top of our budget for what we are willing to pay.

    If the smaller vehicles (Forester or CRV) will work, that's what I'm inclined to do, because I'm in and out of city traffic and tight parking decks all day.  As long as I can resist the really good marketing from the baby companies it sounds like we should have enough space to make that work.  Right now, I'm really not interested in acquiring a lot of huge plastic stuff that we have to store and haul.  I know that's inevitable to some degree, but I hope I can stick to my guns and keep it streamlined.
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