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Sort of MM-related...applying to jobs

Just out of curiosity...would you ever apply to jobs in a location you've never visited?

Re: Sort of MM-related...applying to jobs

  • I probably wouldn't, at least not for a job that was a long term position.

    I moved to Charlotte after college for an unpaid internship and stayed there for 8 years, but I wouldn't recommend making a drastic change without seeing the place first.
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  • Knowing your situation, I would.  Just be sure that you have the opportunity to visit before accepting any offers.
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  • I also would, and have in the past, as long as I could visit before accepting an offer. 
  • Yes.  I keep an open mind because actual decisions don't need to be made until there is an offer on the table.

    A company called H to phone interview for a job and there were a few different locations he could move to if offered the job.  A couple were really far away and HCOL and we wouldn't be interested in anything there but then there were also a couple that would be about 5-6 hours from where we are now and not a big change in COL.  We figured those options were acceptable as possibilities and if it actually came to an offer we would make a decision about moving at that time...probably with at least one visit before accepting a job, like @als1982 mentioned.
  • als1982 said:
    Knowing your situation, I would.  Just be sure that you have the opportunity to visit before accepting any offers.
    Haha, yes I am getting very fed up with our HCOL area, and that was why I was asking. I really want to move to Colorado because I love mountain-y type areas, but I haven't been there since I was a kid and I don't think FI has been there. It wouldn't be any time soon since I'll be going on maternity leave in the next couple months, and I'd like to get a bit further along in my Masters degree before I start applying other places. I think with three kids though, if we were to move somewhere else we'd only get the chance to visit once, if at all, before moving.
  • I would, but would also do a lot of research to try and get a feel for things like entertainment, traffic, food, attitude, COL, etc.  I'd also make sure to visit, at least once, before accepting an offer.

    However, I'm also a "glass half full" kind of person and look on the positives, make the best of situations. 

  • Mustard76Mustard76 member
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    H and I have done this twice. We did a lot of research into the cities we were looking into. H also looked up crime statistics for every city and neighborhood we've looked into. It worked out well for us in Albuquerque, not so well for St. Louis. We're also in a unique situation that any one move doesn't have to be permanent if we don't like it, so that may play into why we're willing to go this route. If we don't like it, we're very likely to be able to move within a few years. 

    Either way, looking to see what's out there and applying for something doesn't lock you into anything, so I say why not?
  • bmo88bmo88 member
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    lbonga1: I have lived in Colorado for the past 19 years (and my family lives in CA). I have not moved near them because of COL and I love Colorado.

    Having four seasons is awesome and the climate overall is moderate. It doesn't get extremely hot or extremely cold. We do get a fair amount of snow at times, but it usually melts quickly.

    Depending on where you are looking in Colorado will greatly dictate COL. We live in Colorado Springs, which is about 1 hour south of Denver. It's a very family friendly city, MCOL, larger homes, easy access to trails, open spaces and the mountains and it's still growing.

    Denver on the other hand is in a huge growth spurt. It's one of the most inflated markets in the country. So while it is is not as expensive as the Bay Area, it is still very difficult to buy a home or afford one. My brother lives there and has put in 8 offers (the day he saw the homes) and all cash buyers picked them up. He was shopping in the $250k-$350k price range for a 3-4 bedroom home in the outskirts of Denver. Our friends bought a 4 bedroom, 3,000 sq ft home the day it went on the market for $415,000. It's really outdated, they have to redo all the bathroom (plumbing issues and carpet in them) and do other updates.

    If you have any questions about Colorado, I would be happy to answer them for you.
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  • julieanne912julieanne912 member
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    Ditto what @bmo88 has said.... Colorado is awesome, I love it here and don't plan on ever leaving.  I grew up in central CA and spent most of my 20s in Chicago proper.  I like the weather here, the mountains are awesome, and I like that there's still a big airport and sports teams here, without it feeling like a huge metropolis.  Where in Colorado is this job?  I can't imagine it'd be that hard for you to visit if it's in the Denver metro area, even if just for a quick weekend to check things out.

    Our friends are buying a house right now in Denver proper, it's like 900sq ft with a sort of finished basement (so 1800ish total), and they're paying $400,000 for it.  It's in a pretty prime area close to downtown, restaurants, shops, etc., but Denver Public Schools aren't that good.   Some other friends just closed on a house up in Thornton, which is a large suburb north of Denver.  They paid $375,000, and the house is pretty big, like 2700 sq ft without the unfinished basement.  It's decent, but pretty dated as it was built in like 1998.  The schools are much better there.  Our own house, which is a new build on an acre on the very far northern reaches of Denver metro, about 30 minutes from Boulder, is 1850ish sq ft with a full unfinished basement and a panoramic view of the mountains, appraised this summer for $512,000.  If we were on the west side of I-25, ie, closer to Boulder, we would be well into the $600s, and we couldn't get a full acre.  Oh and we're not in a great school district.  

    Both sets of friends had to put offers in on multiple homes, and the one in Thornton even gave up for awhile. The only reason they ended up with this house was because the listing agent didn't post any pictures online, so they didn't have as much traffic as they would have if the listing agent did their job.

    My new job is in Louisville, which is just south of Boulder.  It'll be a 30-40 minute commute for me to go about 20 miles.  No way could we ever afford to live over there unless we lived in a tiny condo and sold our cars and toys.  The average home price in Boulder proper is $950k, and it's not much lower in the close by towns surrounding it.

    Also, since you have kids, childcare is pricey here (although it is everywhere I'm sure).  I've already researched it for the northern area near where we live and we'd be looking at at least $1200/mo for a baby, at a facility like Kindercare.  
  • julieanne912julieanne912 member
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    Oh, and as for applying for jobs somewhere I haven't visited... probably.  I feel like you can do a lot of research on a place without being there.  I can't think of anywhere that would be so ridiculously bad that I couldn't live there, if I had a good job.  Maybe some of the oil towns up in North Dakota LOL
  • @julieanne912 I'm a software developer, so many of the companies that I'd be applying to would be in/around Boulder. Unfortunately, as you said, that's where the COL would be highest. I'm going to have to come to a compromise at some point because all of the tech areas in the U.S. have higher COL, but I don't want to be spending a ton of time commuting everyday. Really I'd like to keep my commute to 30ish min. each way. Google is actually right down the street from where we're living now...that would be a nice commute! haha. I don't mind having a somewhat smaller house because honestly, less for me to clean :smile:. but, ideally, we'd still like to have 4 bedrooms so each child can have one.
  • @bmo88 @julieanne912 Thoughts about Longmont, CO?
  • julieanne912julieanne912 member
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    lbonga1 said:
    @bmo88 @julieanne912 Thoughts about Longmont, CO?
    I actually currently work in Longmont... for the next 8 days anyway :)  I think it's a great town, I'd live here without question if it was closer to the airport for H.  It's a funny mix of upscale and blue collar.  Upscale comes from the "Boulder trickle" and blue collar is its roots.... up until a few years ago it was very affordable to live here, but as Boulder has gotten more expensive, it's gotten fancier here.  It's got a cute downtown area with lots of little shops and restaurants. It's still a bit pricey, but not like most of the other areas close to Boulder, you can get a decent house in the 400k range, and in the 300s if you're OK with something a bit older.  Houses right by downtown are more expensive, it's a beautiful area with lots of big trees and older homes, and areas in the south end of town tend to be more pricey also, because of the proximity to Boulder.  You'd still probably be looking at a 30ish minute commute to Boulder though, because of traffic.  But, you can still get a nice house in a good neighborhood in the 400k range.  There's a few dicey areas, but not more than any other bigger town.

    I can't speak much to schools here, but I've never heard anything negative about them either.  
  • @lbonga1 you can also look at Erie, CO.  It's not as established as Longmont, but it's a nice area with good schools.  It's mostly a "bedroom" community, ie, just houses, but the amenities are being built pretty quickly.  Lots of families too.  
  • Thanks for the advice @julieanne912, I'll look into it!
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