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NER: pay poor women to have tubes tied
I finally sat down to read my local newspaper this afternoon and this was front page news. I immediately had to share and hear your thoughts. I am still stunned someone could suggest such a thing.
I am all for paying for their birth control pills and even pay for sterilization if they want but to bribe them to be sterilized? At least I see it as a bribe. Am I seeing this wrong?
http://www.nola.com/news/index.ssf/2008/09/labruzzo_sterilization_plan_fi.html
Re: NER: pay poor women to have tubes tied
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
Who is more likely to be poor in NOLA a white woman or a black woman?
This sounds dirty, all around, just wrong. And disgusting.
LaBruzzo described the tube-tying incentive as a brainstorming exercise that has yet to take form as a bill for the Legislature to consider. He said it already has drawn critics who argue the idea is racist, sexist, unethical and immoral. He said more white people are on welfare than black people, so his proposal is not targeting race.
I don't see how anyone can honestly say this is not forced.
"Do I starve today or do I forgoe my right to procreate? Hmmmm."
So this isn't a bribe of $1000 but using the $1000 as payment for it. That would not be as bad. But wouldn't it cost more than a $1000.
Oh I do believe there are racist motives in it. Look at this line in the article. As pp stated the lower income in our area are more often black.
It also could include tax incentives for college-educated, higher-income people to have more children, he said
I would think the numbers for the city and statewide would be different. Is this restricted to city residents or anyone in the state is eligible? Either way, it's voluntary. And I'm assuming many of the people who will opt for it will likely already have a kid or two, maybe more.
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
Isn't the $1k to pay for the procedure?
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
It really makes me want to take a shower, particularly when coupled with the "let's give tax incentives to well-off people to have more kids"
stuff like this:
LaBruzzo said he worries that people receiving government aid such as food stamps and publicly subsidized housing are reproducing at a faster rate than more affluent, better-educated people who presumably pay more tax revenue to the government.
ew.
Like the only benefit a person brings to society is how much tax revenue they turn over.
I am the 99%.
esp. given that he's from David Duke's old district.
I am the 99%.
His 81st House District runs from Old Metairie north to Bucktown and west along Lake Pontchartrain to the Suburban Canal. In a somewhat different configuration, it is the same district that sent white supremacist David Duke to the Legislature in 1989.
Just to sort of let you know where he comes from and the mind set of this district.
That sort of changes things, but I still don't think it is a terrible idea. Yet.
You caught that as I was c&ping it!
So do you not support increased access to birth control for poor women? I certainly do. That could also be seen as trying to limit the number of poor people, or as racist. I disagree. Regardless of the motivations of this guy, I really can't see what's wrong with giving women another option in their reproductive freedom. You're underestimating their ability to think for themselves.
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
Where does it say that he is proposing paying for tubal ligation and not paying women to get tubal ligation?
Also, why isn't this man paying other men to get vestactamys? Why is this only about women?
Sounds like a due process issue!
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
For the record, I don't have a problem with the government subsidizing health care, including, sterilization. But I do have a problem with the government bribing poor women with sterilization.
And why just poor women? Why just women?
Shoot, you beat me to it. I was just going to ask if he was also proposing paying men to get vasectomies.
Okay, in passing, this man says to avoid gender discrimination, he would include men too. But his fixation seems to be poor women.
Remember he did say he wants tax incentives for college educated, higher income people to have more children. Sounds like he trying to create a master race! So no I don't think he wants all women to take advantage of this offer.
_Fenton_
The thing is, he's proposing a PERMANENT FORM OF BIRTH CONTROL for poor women (primarily women of color), while offering incentives for wealthy, educated women (primarily white) to HAVE children. It's not as if he wants to contribute to controlling population growth, if so, he'd offer money for everyone to get a tubal litigation - he wants to contribute to controlling population growth in communities of color while encouraging white, affluent communities to continue their population growth. Disgusting.
I'm thinking that there are other better and less downright eugenic ways to spend this money. For example, less permanent, birth control options for these communities that could be purchased with this $1000. Or we could start investing that money into school districts in these communities, considering how the number of pregnancies a woman has is strongly correlated to education levels.
Racial implications aside, I can see why the offer is being made to poor women. Poor women can't afford to take care of as many kids, and therefore more children would cause more of a burden on them than on say a $100k income household.
This guy may be a racist, but I'm just judging the proposal on it's merits, not his motivation.
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
You beat me to it.
According to the 2000 US Census, Louisiana is 64% White (2.9mil) and 32.5% Black (1.5 mil). Those numbers are a little fuzzy b/c they include mixed races. But basically, whites on welfare would have to outnumber blacks by a ratio of 2 to 1 in Louisiana to make it proportional to the state as a whole.
This really seems like a ploy to eradicate a race.
For the record, I'm assuming the thousand bucks is meant to pay for the procedure. Apparently, tubal ligation costs start and a thousand bucks and go up from there.
source on procedure cost:
http://womenshealth.about.com/cs/sterilization/a/sterilizhisorhe_3.htm
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
Yeah, but you always have to look at the greater implications of any proposed legislation.