Conservatives come in! (if there are any on here)

elenaforbusher · October 2008

bunnybean:
elenaforbusher:

Part of my problem may be that I can't look at her without seeing Tina Fey.

Haha, ditto elena! I kept saying to DH, "Is it true that when cornered, you become increasingly adorable?"

In all fairness, she did do better than expected. I'm still not overly impressed, but she seems educable.

Interesting, her 2 state solution idea. I didn't know that was McCain's platform...

I found myself anticipating which statements they'd use this weekend on SNL. It was somewhat distracting.

jlaj617 · October 2008

caden:

Well, I disagree with practically all of Obama's economic policies. I haven't heard one single policy that even remotely resembles small gov't fiscal conservatism. Toning down his disastrous policies isn't as good as not having them in the first place.

McCain said he would holding spending to its current level. In Washington no growth = a cut. It's not the best we can do but at least it's not billions extra. I'm taking what I can get.

Good points but I feel that Obama will have no choice but to ignore his disastrous policies, period. There is no way he can spend x amount of money to implement his plans when there is already a $1 trillion deficit looming over his administration. I abhor his windfall profits tax but do not see him able to pass that when companies will be struggling in the next several years. His statement about his willingness to review his proposals in light of current events helped to convince me that he can at least pretend to be flexible. Obviously he is untested but I am willing to make that risk.

Meganne1164 · October 2008

jlaj617:
caden:

Well, I disagree with practically all of Obama's economic policies. I haven't heard one single policy that even remotely resembles small gov't fiscal conservatism. Toning down his disastrous policies isn't as good as not having them in the first place.

McCain said he would holding spending to its current level. In Washington no growth = a cut. It's not the best we can do but at least it's not billions extra. I'm taking what I can get.

Good points but I feel that Obama will have no choice but to ignore his disastrous policies, period. There is no way he can spend x amount of money to implement his plans when there is already a $1 trillion deficit looming over his administration. I abhor his windfall profits tax but do not see him able to pass that when companies will be struggling in the next several years. His statement about his willingness to review his proposals in light of current events helped to convince me that he can at least pretend to be flexible. Obviously he is untested but I am willing to make that risk.

I agree with you there is no way taxes are not going up for everyone and most of Obama's policies as well as McCain's will not be able to be implemented. McCain has a better shot if he does really cut the spending and cut business taxes to spur business growth.

That being said I wish one of these guys had the guts to say to Americans- sorry you're not getting your subsidized healthcare or billions of investment in jobs etc. however we are going to raise your taxes to get us out of this financial mess. But no way we will hear the truth because that would kill any chance of getting elected. So we can all keep hearing the lies for the next month.

LittleMissWifey · October 2008

is_it_over_yet?:
I had no doubt that Palin would do well last night, and I posted that ad nauseum on this and the E08 board. Everyone underestimated her and you had to be an ostrich not to see this coming.

I do not like Palin (she is the reason I'm seriously considering defecting from McCain, whom I love) and her performance last night really grated on me. The winks, the "you betchas," the colloquialisms were just too much and frankly, embarrassing to watch coming from a woman. Please talk to me like a professional who may become leader of the free world, not like you are trying to become president of the PTA.

She proved she is good at memorizing facts and delivering them on cue, but she did not inspire in me any confidence that she actually has the ability to get the job done without a great deal of prep. I think if she had behaved more professionally, I would have more confidence in her. For now, she continues to seem like someone who accidentally stumbled into this situation.

As a liberal, I understand I am not even supposed to be in this thread or even voice a contrary opinion to the "Palin Rocks" sentiment that oozes from the OP, but I really, really agree with your perspective and it really, really surprises me that so many Cons don't see it this way. I don't see how the faux folksyness engenders feelings of confidence? I don't see how spewing out prepackaged/scripted lines, that were sometimes, frankly, out of place, did McCain any good in the long run. In fact, I think Palin is running for 2012, not 2008. She is very stuck on her own cuteness.

JulieF · October 2008

I thought she was great and am thrilled that you are voting for McCain. Thank goodness. I agree that the momentum has shifted somewhat, at least among conservatives I know. They all looked so excited today. I like Palin's down to earth manner and the way that she had those little barbs against the mainstream media, the moderator, and Biden. (patriotic, say it ain't so, Joe) I have the debate taped and will watch it again. I think that her biggest achievement may be convincing people, "Hey, the media's selling us a false bill of goods on these people. She's not what she seemed to be in the Couric interview, so maybe Obama's not what he seems to be, either." This could just be wishful thinking. But just the thought of that awful rodent Katie having a part in driving down poll numbers and thsu making Obama the next president... pathetic. I detest her.

JulieF · October 2008

Not to be rude, but I don't think that folksy colloquialisms and intellect are mutually exclusive. I say "yep" and "okey dokey" and have an intellectual curiosity, reading ability, etc. that could put almost anyone to shame. This is just part of the cute "Republicans are stupid" narrative. It's getting old, considering they tried it with four people. Turn the record over. This isn't '76. (Reagan, Bush, Quayle, Palin)

2Vermont · October 2008

First I have to say that I went to bed about 45 minutes into the debate (my normal bedtime is no later than 9:30 people). So... for the time that I did see the debate, I was pleased with her performance (and relieved). She was very nervous going in (so was I!) and little by little she seemed to shed that. In the beginning that bang that was in her eye kept distracting me though....thankfully she must have brushed it away (it was probably driving her batty too).

As for the comments about how she didn't say anything of substance, I don't know. Do any of these politicians say anything of substance in these debates? If they are saying anything of "substance", it's usually not the truth.

And I do have one thing that I really have to get out: I guess I never took a good, hard look at Biden, but his eyes really freak me out.....LOL.

LittleMissWifey · October 2008

JulieF:
Not to be rude, but I don't think that folksy colloquialisms and intellect are mutually exclusive. (Reagan, Bush, Quayle, Palin)

But who is making the argument that folksy = ignorant? I haven't seen that here. I did say that folksy doesn't inspire confidence, but confidence and intelligence are not the same thing.

is_it_over_yet? · October 2008

JulieF:
Not to be rude, but I don't think that folksy colloquialisms and intellect are mutually exclusive. I say "yep" and "okey dokey" and have an intellectual curiosity, reading ability, etc. that could put almost anyone to shame. This is just part of the cute "Republicans are stupid" narrative. It's getting old, considering they tried it with four people. Turn the record over. This isn't '76. (Reagan, Bush, Quayle, Palin)

You aren't running for VP of the United States. Use all the colloquialisms and folksy language you like. My issue is professionalism. I didn't see Reagan, Bush, or Quayle winking, flirting, or otherwise trying to charm their way through their debates. It was embarrassing to watch and did nothing to instill confidence in her ability to function as an adult in a very serious, adult world.

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