The ground zero/mosque debate

salimoo · August 2010

I have seen this FB status three or four times already and each time I do, I feel a little sick to my stomach.

If you think that putting up a mosque 600 ft from ground zero and having the inauguration on the anniversary of 9/11 is immoral, inhumane and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day and their survivors and that politicians are doing a grave injustice to the fallen heroes, their families and all the people of NYC, THEN PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO YOUR WALL

FallinAgain · August 2010

If you think a mosque in NYC is disrespectful to 9/11 families, you must think a Christian church anywhere in the south is disrepectful to those who were hurt by the KKK.

I just have friends posting the text of the 1st Amendment. I need more idiotic FB friends.

salimoo · August 2010

Fortunately I do have more people posting variations of "There is a cathedral one block from the OKC memorial." I hate that feeling of "But ... I thought you were more rational ... how are we even friends?" Granted, some of them are older lady friends of my mom's or former coworkers and it's no one I'm especially close to but still. Ugh. I like to pretend that sort of thing doesn't exist in my world.

KayRI · August 2010

I'm surprised I haven't seen this on my wall yet. I give it two more days.

Novemberrocks · August 2010

salimoo:

I have seen this FB status three or four times already and each time I do, I feel a little sick to my stomach.

If you think that putting up a mosque 600 ft from ground zero and having the inauguration on the anniversary of 9/11 is immoral, inhumane and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day and their survivors and that politicians are doing a grave injustice to the fallen heroes, their families and all the people of NYC, THEN PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO YOUR WALL

I'm going to write on my FB, "if you think the fact that there is still nothing at ground zero but a big empty hole nine years after-the-fact is immoral, inhumane, and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day, then please copy and paste this to your wall"

If someone had a better idea of what to do with ground-zero adjacent property, then they had ample time to do it. You snooze, you lose.

BobLoblaw · August 2010

FallinAgain:
If you think a mosque in NYC is disrespectful to 9/11 families, you must think a Christian church anywhere in the south is disrepectful to those who were hurt by the KKK.

I'm totally stealing this.

BobLoblaw · August 2010

Oh god. No. One of my BFFs just posted the bad one. No no no no.

salimoo · August 2010

BobLoblaw:
Oh god. No. One of my BFFs just posted the bad one. No no no no.

Yeah, she was one of my four. Sigh.

BobLoblaw · August 2010

salimoo:
BobLoblaw:
Oh god. No. One of my BFFs just posted the bad one. No no no no.
Yeah, she was one of my four. Sigh.

I mean, I know she's conservative, but she's pretty open-minded about a lot of things. WTF. I'm sad.

wingedbride · August 2010

I got into an argument with my MIL about this this weekend. I have always avoided it with her because I really think she is just scared into believing it by Fox news. But I could not hold my tongue.

SarahBethBR · August 2010

Yeah, I got into an argument with my mom about this a couple of months ago, when it first came out. It came on the news and I just couldn't not say something after her talking about how awful it is. As usual, after she expressed her opinion, once I started to disagree with her she said "I don't want to debate about this." Too late, lady.

salimoo · August 2010

wingedbride:
I got into an argument with my MIL about this this weekend. I have always avoided it with her because I really think she is just scared into believing it by Fox news. But I could not hold my tongue.

I also avoid engaging on topics like this, and then I get annoyed because there are all these blowhards running around flapping their pieholes while the rest of us sit on our hands and button our lips in an attempt to look reasonable when sometimes, you just want to wallop someone.

I wound up just putting this as my status (hat tip to Fallin):

There is a Catholic cathedral one block from the Oklahoma City memorial. There are Christian churches in the same neighborhoods as those targeted by the KKK. Hate begets hate. Tolerance begets peace.

wingedbride · August 2010

FYI Bethie, I liked your status. But I promise not to cross that border of being the creepy friend who likes all your statuses (stati?)

Novemberrocks · August 2010

FTR, I don't necessarily trust the imam entirely and don't necessarily understand his reluctance to place this anywhere else in the city, but I don't see why it's even a debate. If they have the money to purchase the property, wtf cares.

So much of it is couched in racism and anti-Muslim sentiment.

ChristinS · August 2010

I'm a lovor of Facebook, but the people using it as a platform to spew their ignorance drive me batty. I can ignore 95% of the time. I think that shows great restraint on my part.

oklagirl · August 2010

I'm actually surprised I haven't seen this yet, although I have hidden most of the ignorants, who tend to be HS classmates. And FTR, there are two churches on the same block as the Murrah bombing memorial, and at least two others (including a Baptist, which I believe Mcveigh was) within two-three blocks.

CaliopeSpidrman · August 2010

I think people need to show more respect for Burlington Coat Factory.

salimoo · August 2010

CaliopeSpidrman:
I think people need to show more respect for Burlington Coat Factory.

They're more than great coats, damnit!

snorky147b · August 2010

CaliopeSpidrman:
I think people need to show more respect for Burlington Coat Factory.

There's one a couple of blocks from wtc, maybe all denominations can just go worship there and call it a day.

ootmother2 · August 2010

Novemberrocks:
salimoo:

I have seen this FB status three or four times already and each time I do, I feel a little sick to my stomach.

If you think that putting up a mosque 600 ft from ground zero and having the inauguration on the anniversary of 9/11 is immoral, inhumane and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day and their survivors and that politicians are doing a grave injustice to the fallen heroes, their families and all the people of NYC, THEN PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO YOUR WALL

I'm going to write on my FB, "if you think the fact that there is still nothing at ground zero but a big empty hole nine years after-the-fact is immoral, inhumane, and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day, then please copy and paste this to your wall"

If someone had a better idea of what to do with ground-zero adjacent property, then they had ample time to do it. You snooze, you lose.

The odd thing is that slightly more than 50% of NYCers think that the mosque should be allowed.

I'm somewhere in the middle. I remember the sketches in the New York Post about a week after 9/11 that were labeled 'WTC, 2005" that showed the twin towers standing again.

Some of you know that I am a WTC survivor but I try not to let that cloud my opinions.

Yes, when I look at the gap in the skyline, my heart hurts. Will it hurt less if the mosque is built? I don't think so.

History brings change and most mature people can accept that we have to go on & adjust. I doubt we will every forget but most mature people can forgive those not part of the crime.

CaliopeSpidrman · August 2010

But the community center isn't being built at Ground Zero. I don't even understand why it would make a difference. Whenever people argue against it, it just sounds like they think it's being erected right where the towers were along with a statue of Osama Bin Laden out front.

ootmother2 · August 2010

But it's only 3 blocks away.

That's DISRESPECT!!

wingedbride · August 2010

Hey, did you know that the US is building Christian churches in Iraq while we are occupying and bombing it? That's pretty fukced up , huh?

yeeeeeah....

pdxmouse · August 2010

As in our gov't is funding/building them? I thought that was a no-no. Or is it one of those special cases where we only have to follow our constitution/the Geneva conventions/UN treaties on our own soil?

Novemberrocks · August 2010

ootmother2:
Novemberrocks:
salimoo:

I have seen this FB status three or four times already and each time I do, I feel a little sick to my stomach.

If you think that putting up a mosque 600 ft from ground zero and having the inauguration on the anniversary of 9/11 is immoral, inhumane and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day and their survivors and that politicians are doing a grave injustice to the fallen heroes, their families and all the people of NYC, THEN PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO YOUR WALL

I'm going to write on my FB, "if you think the fact that there is still nothing at ground zero but a big empty hole nine years after-the-fact is immoral, inhumane, and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day, then please copy and paste this to your wall"

If someone had a better idea of what to do with ground-zero adjacent property, then they had ample time to do it. You snooze, you lose.

The odd thing is that slightly more than 50% of NYCers think that the mosque should be allowed.

I'm somewhere in the middle. I remember the sketches in the New York Post about a week after 9/11 that were labeled 'WTC, 2005" that showed the twin towers standing again.

Some of you know that I am a WTC survivor but I try not to let that cloud my opinions.

Yes, when I look at the gap in the skyline, my heart hurts. Will it hurt less if the mosque is built? I don't think so.

History brings change and most mature people can accept that we have to go on & adjust. I doubt we will every forget but most mature people can forgive those not part of the crime.

OOT, I didn't know that you were there. Were you in a tower?

wingedbride · August 2010

pdxmouse:
As in our gov't is funding/building them? I thought that was a no-no. Or is it one of those special cases where we only have to follow our constitution/the Geneva conventions/UN treaties on our own soil?

no, it is through missionairies. but i think it's ironic.

pdxmouse · August 2010

Also a terrible way to win converts.

How sad is it that after the Holy War attitude under Bush, I wasn't entirely sure that the military wouldn't be putting up Christian churches?

wingedbride · August 2010

yeah, it's sad. but whether our government did it or not, I am sure that those over there see it as such.

TatiMarie · August 2010

I don't think our government should be over there building churches. However, there is a small Christian minority over there that are being wiped out. My friend's parents were born there and after her uncle was sadly killed for practicing Christianity, they moved over here for refuge.

TatiMarie · August 2010

...and great, I have a stupid bride avatar.

wingedbride · August 2010

TatiMarie:
I don't think our government should be over there building churches. However, there is a small Christian minority over there that are being wiped out. My friend's parents were born there and after her uncle was sadly killed for practicing Christianity, they moved over here for refuge.

how awful for your friend's family.

and it is awful. the same thing happens here to Muslims.

The ground zero/mosque debate

Re: The ground zero/mosque debate

There is a Catholic cathedral one block from the Oklahoma City memorial. There are Christian churches in the same neighborhoods as those targeted by the KKK. Hate begets hate. Tolerance begets peace.

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