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RE: Boy Scouts
If your kid really wanted to join the Boy Scouts, what would you say to them? Would you let them do it?
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Re: RE: Boy Scouts
Ditto Fallin. Also I'd try to find an alternative group for him that was more in line with our values.
I sort of hope Maggie wants to be a Girl Scout though, I'd like to be a troop leader like my mom was.
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The nerve!
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In all seriousness, I don't remember any boys in my family joining the Boy Scouts. Maybe it's the jew thing.
But it's not the kids so much as the people who run it.
I'd look into "Adventure Guides" or whatever the hell they're calling "Indian Guides" now.
I bet her FUPA's name is Shane, like the gunslinger/drifter of literature.--HappyTummy
Yea girl scout/boy scouts totally is not a jew thing (Is any real out-doors thing though?). I don't remember any of my friends doing it growing up.
So yea I would tell him Jews aren't allowed (is lying to your kid bad?)
Oh I know. I just have this happy warm fuzzy idea of more parents getting involved, too, and infiltrating, and things changing.
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I don't get this at all. Are they going to be all-Jew, all the time? So weird.
I bet her FUPA's name is Shane, like the gunslinger/drifter of literature.--HappyTummy
I would not. I know they aren't that extreme, but I assume most people would prevent their kids from joining a white supremacist group, even if that particular group was more into the survivalist aspects or it was a good opportunity to talk about your family's values. Again, not that extreme, but requiring a belief in God, "good Christian conduct" and banning gays is still far, far outside even the grey zone for me.
Which is sad because Bug friggin adores Girl Scouts and I wish there was something like that for Dimi.
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My understanding is there were actually two groups who struggled to gain control of leadership for years. The group with the most money were religious conservatives and they won.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab
Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman
No, they can do whatever they want. I personally grew up in a very Jewish community where things like boy scouts weren't popular, I imagine it is going to be the same when I have kids. My family doesn't have a huge emphasis on the outdoors type things and honestly the majority of Jewish families I know don't. I'm not saying 100% are and maybe I'll end up having a kid who loves to hike and camp but I doubt it.
My dad got kicked out of scouts because he brought lighter fluid in a canteen on a camping trip. It was a bit fishy how only his group had a fire going when it had been raining for a week straight.
I like Moo's happy sentiments about their beliefs shifting over time due to the kinds of people who join and speak up.
I think this is a gross exaggeration of what people said, myself included.
I also don't get disallowing your child to join something because it stands for Christian values just because you don't espouse those values. What if your child does? Do they not get to choose whether or not to believe in God?
I think Mouse meant that she doesn't want Dimi in any group that requires a belief in God, not that she doesn't want him to believe in God.
And I'm guessing it's more the "good" "Christian" "values" and the anti-gay stance that are the problem, anyway.
That's how I read it.
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Wendy I think the age that a little boy typically joins boy scouts at is too young to decide they want to be a Christian. But if my kid is interested in religion, they can explore that.
If they want to go to a church that preaches about the exclusion of homosexuals, they can't. I'm the parent, and them's the breaks.
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I guess my point is, if he believes in God and he wants to join an organization that requires that belief (how is a church group any different in that case?), then why is that not ok?
(any group that actively works to harm other groups of people are a different story)
Ugh, Dan and I have a disagreement on this point. He loved Scouts and wants Sean to have the same experience. He agrees with my opposition to their stance, though, but thinks that the positives outweigh the negatives, that Sean is not likely to encounter those attitudes first hand in a Portland troupe. I feel strongly that it's important not to support the organization itself.
I guess I should come up with some alternatives.
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If such things were possible, I would like to see if we could get a count of Aliza's posts that included the word 1) Jewish, 2) New Orleans, or 3) neither of those. I don't think there'd be many in category 3!
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Moo had it. It just seems to me that you can always find good qualities about groups to join but if they're outside my values I won't support them. I wasn't attacking you or anyone else here personally. It's something I hear a lot and it's hard not to wonder what they'd do in more extreme circumstances.Why do you draw the line where you do? If they wanted to ban blacks instead of gays would you still think it was a good opportunity to talk about values? What if your local troop just ignored skin color but it was the national policy?
Requiring religious belief for secular activities is outside of my value system. I'm not Catholic or even Christian and I used to volunteer with my friend's youth group at the soup kitchen. No one ever said anything when I didn't join in prayer because that wasn't the point of what we were doing. You'd be thrown out of Boy Scouts for that. Hell I knew a kid who was almost thrown out for having long hair.
As for church, there are some that allow multiple faiths; like the Unitarians who allow for no faith as well. I've been invited to attend services at other churches (most recently Eastern Orthodox) even after making it clear I'm not religious. So those are options. If one of the kids wanted to join an inclusive church I would let them. If they were old enough to join an exclusive church under their own steam I don't know how I'd stop them, but I wouldn't be giving rides or donating to the bake sale.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab
Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman