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Re: Athiests know more about Religion
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Its probably another version of "spiritual, but not religious" which is what I consider myself.
15/15 here.
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I am sure it happens in parts of Texas, just probably not Houston. Maybe not.
There was (overtly Christian, in Jesus name we pray) prayer before every football game and sporting event at my school at least until I graduated, and again when I want to one a few years later. I graduated in '03 and the SC overruled student led prayer at games in I think 2000?
We had mandatory assemblies during school hours where churches or outside religious groups would come in and preach, ostensibly about staying in school or not doing drugs, but there was always the opportunity to pray with them and to come up and get saved at the end.
The nerve!
House | Blog
Ditto both of these at my small-ish OK high school. No idea if it's still done, haven't been to a game there since my brother graduated 6 years ago.
I taught last year in a large city public district in OK. My principal was a minister. We prayed at every faculty meeting. God and religion were brought up quite often. There was definitely a very Christian vibe to the school and it seemed that those with similar beliefs were held in higher esteem.
I missed #'s 6, 13 & 15. So much for the Jews knowing the most.
Whatever- I'm faithless and I just don't care.
I will say that the Our Father was done before every football game mh played in at his public high school. He was the only Jew and felt totally uncomfortable and for those few minutes, he felt like the lone Jew, not part of the team. I have no idea how this was allowed to happen aside from him being the only jew on the team so I guess, who was going to tell/stop it from happening.
I never experienced religion being brought into my public school ever, but I also never played a sport, so it could have happened.
TSD, I don't just mean the team prayed (although I'm sure they did. I was in the band and we did before every game). I mean there was a prayer over the loud speaker before the game started, for the spectators and everybody.
That really sucks for your H though. It's really shiity that no one stopped to think that he wasn't being included.
The nerve!
House | Blog
Like I said, I know it happens just not in my experience. And I grew up in small town Arkansas and went from 6th grade until graduation with nada.
15 out of 15 for this Athiest/Agnostic turned Protestant.
I agree though that most of those are more history, culture and law. It also appears to me that the quiz was set up kind of dumb, and that they were trying to be tricky to get certain results. It seems to me that a lot of non religious folks are always trying to prove that religious folks are stupid, and a lot of religious folks are always trying to prove that non religious folks are evil or mislead. All that happens is that the whole thing just irritates the sh*t our of the majority of us who are attempting to do what we think is right, while respecting everyone else's right to do the same.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab
Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman
Wha? No. It's a pretty strong trend in my experience. I just found this quiz/article, along with the website comments, to be an example. You would disagree?
The nerve!
House | Blog
I didn't read the comments, I usually try to save my Sanity Watchers points for bigger things. But no, I found the quiz itself pretty neutral. A bit more focused on history than the substance of beliefs, but that might have more to do with the ease of identifying doctrine when beliefs within a given order can be fairly disparate.
Did the quiz itself seem designed to poke fun at believers or their lack of knowledge or was it the breakdown by demographic that rubbed you the wrong way?
"The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab
Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman
Wow. I would be totally uncomfortable with that. And Jewish was def a minority in my town, but it's just not the same as the south.
It sucked is an understatement. It made him totally weird about telling people he's Jewish until he met me. He used to keep it under wraps for two reasons- one because he wanted to hear people's real thoughts before having them censor themselves, and two, he just didn't want to be labeled "The Jew". People STILL bring it up- we were at a Christening a few weeks ago at his town popular church. He saw a few people he went to HS with. One said, "What are you doing here? totally puzzled and the other said, "Did you switch teams?" like it couldn't be possible that we have non-Jewish friends that we'd be there for.
While playing football a FRIEND, ON HIS TEAM, called a jewish kid on the opposing team a k1ke, right in front of B. B turned around was like, "HEY?! WTF" and the guy was like, "Sorry, didn't mean it toward you...."
I've had stupid sh*t said to me, but I took it differently, like "I'm Jewish, go ahead, say something. I dare you." But, to this day people say to me, "You're Jewish? You TOTALLY don't LOOK it." Um, ok.
I don't think they were trying to fool one and not the other. But there are some discrepancies in the questions they asked about each group.
A good example is the part where they're like "X% of Catholics didn't even get the communion question right!!!". I've witnessed a discussion before about the differing beliefs among Catholic people regarding that very subject, and how there are many who understand it/ believe it in a metaphorical fashion.
Meanwhile, "What religion was Joseph Smith?". Really? If they weren't doing it on purpose, the quiz makers were at least not taking the time to create something that was consistent.
omg, TSD. That's just awful. I'm sorry it's affected B so much, that's something that will shape a lot of your worldview. Have you guys talked much about raising E as a proud Jew? I wonder if that might be a little bit healing for him.
Jens, I didn't catch the breakdown for the Joseph Smith question. Did you think it was a gimme for the Mormons? Because I knew about transubstantiation and was not raised Catholic well before I ever heard of Joseph Smith.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab
Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman
Ah, gotcha. I've stopped viewing articles as an accurate interpretation of studies or even polls. They seem to have more to do with what the author wants the study to say.
For instance, did the article even mention that Jews knew a bit more than anyone else? No, it was religious vs non-religious, religious not counting the Jews I suppose.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab
Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman
I still think there is a huge difference between disagreeing with the Church's stance on transubstantiation and not knowing that it's a basic tenet of the Catholic faith. The quiz didn't ask if you yourself believed it.
And I admit, I skimmed this article, because I read the results breakdown on Pew's website yesterday. It was just a pure breakdown question by question, no OMG!!!! commentary. So it may have been more fun pokey than I realized, but I didn't think the quiz was biased towards the non-religious. Maybe toward Mormons.
The nerve!
House | Blog
Yeah, I thought so Mouse, but then, I have had the opposite experience as you. I heard about Joseph Smith (I think in junior high or high school Social Studies) before I ever knew anything about transubstantiation. I saw it as biased based on what would be obvious to me. But I guess that was ME being biased then. IT'S AN UNBREAKABLE CYCLE.
Maybe I feel residual guilt, because when I was doubtful about spirituality, I was a smug jerk about it plenty of the time, even if it was mostly in thoughts I kept to myself.
Fair enough, SB, (re: the communion thing), I was just saying that it was at least a debatable question, seeing as there are Catholics who believe it is metaphorical, vs. the straight forward fact ones, ex: the Joseph Smith one.
And, I agree with the other stuff you said. I don't think I was very clear in my original rambling, I went on a tangent that was only somewhat related to the quiz and article.
I'd love to know the process for selecting the questions. Did they just sit around and try to think of things that would be common knowledge about each major group they'd identified?
"Hmmm, we gotta come up with something for the Catholics... let's see... Papal infallibility of faith is too confusing, what about Communion? Oh, well lots of Christians have Communion, what's something the Catholics believe specifically?
Next up, Mormons. Anyone know anything about Mormons? Better stay away from the sister-wives shizz. Joseph Smith outta be safe enough."
Seriously, that's the only way I can imagine this particular set of questions wound up being selected. And that would end up with a lot of bias just because people tend to think the things they know are common knowledge.
"The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab
Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman
Did all of these prayers before a game happen at public schools? Am I catching that right? That seems absurd to me (sorry South!). We stopped saying the pledge of allegiance in 4th grade because it has "God" in it. There were prayers said at DH's school in Iowa but he went to a private Catholic school so I guess they can do whatever they want. It totally weirded me out to hear Our Father before my SIL's graduation...
Mind = bottled.
Yeah, public. Buddha, after you graduated the MS legislature passed a law that made it mandatory to hand an "In God We Trust" poster in every (public) classroom in the state.
Also, I forgot my favorite. My biology teacher told us, "I'm being forced to teach you this (meaning evolution) because it's on the CMS tests, but it's not true and you should know that."
The nerve!
House | Blog
How do you become (or even want to become) a biology teacher if you don't believe in evolution?
Lorne's kindergarten teacher (in rural Minnesota) prayed and read the bible to them at story time.
I'm guessing they didn't set up a menorah next to the In God We Trust Poster...? What about Allah? Don't people trust him too?
Christians can be so gosh darn presumptuous. Not everyone is like you!*
*not YOU you, just a general you
My experiences were in public schools as well.
There were 2 or 3 "In God We Trust" posters in my library last year. I took them down my first day. It didn't go un-noticed.
Yeah, it took him a LONG time to get to the point of just telling people he's Jewish.
I'm not religious, I don't believe in god, and I don't care. I don't feel like anything is missing, I don't feel guilt, and if Jews believed in hell, I don't think I'd be going there. But, with Judaism it's a little different- you can kind of just be more of a traditionalist- like a "Seinfeldian Jew" as I like to call it. At my wedding we broke the glass, I use yiddish words sometimes, but I don't "observe" much. I'm proud to be part of a group that has sustained through years of other groups trying to exterminate us but it's strictly a cultural thing for me. My parents weren't religious at ALL, I went to hebrew school because they didn't make me go. I was interested because I wasn't forced and wanted to be with my friends. I had a bat mitzvah because you don't go through all that extra school for nothing.
B grew up more religious, his dad was the president of the temple, he's been to Israel three time and been bar mitzvah'd thered all three times, and he observes somewhat. He feels like he might as well show people some observance because if he doesn't act like he cares, no one else will. Also if another Hitler rises, whether he observes or not, he's going to the ovens.
I feel like whomever is more religious/cares more in the house gets the majority say in how much religious education the child gets. I always just had an innate pride in being Jewish or something but no need for god specifically. He plans to go with E to temple and all that. I do not. I don't want to be disrespectful with my A.D.D. so I will sit it out unless it's something important.