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WW folks--new program--like/dislike?
Any thoughts on the conversion to the "new" points program? Ready for the change? Like it? Dislike? Not sure?
Re: WW folks--new program--like/dislike?
Here's an XP from FB...
My head hurts this morning. It feels like I'm starting over from scratch. I've spent way too much time working on updating everything in the past week to the new pt system. I think it's going to be good overall (I don't think I'm eating enough!!!) but... Kind of a PIT_ to do the conversion. gah!
The quick overview is that they now use protein, carbs, fat, and fiber (not just cal/fat/fiber) to calculate PTs. And fruit is free. The way it works out is that the healthier food is lower PT, the less healthy food is higher PT. Here's a l...ink with the basic info: http://www.weightwatchers.com/plan/PointsPlus.aspx I think it's a more 'balanced' and 'healthy' approach, so I think it's totally going to work, but it just feels new all over again and like I have to re-learn everything. I only do online, so I didn't have a choice to not convert.
Oh, and I'm loving that you can change the setting to take from APs first instead of WPs (online). And, the other thing about APs for you exercise fiends. You not only have the option to take from APs before WPs for your 'extras', you can also opt to have your APs clear daily rather than weekly. Interesting, huh? It's in the settings and you have the choice.
Anyway... Wishing the rest of you good luck with the conversion. I'm here if you need any support or to commiserate with. Happy Tracking.
BTW - I'm trying not to complain. From a health perspective, I'm really happy they're taking the other nutrition values into account. It was just a challenging week to do the switch since my week begins on Wed AM, I had to go through and re-figure out all my holiday weekend food, to catch me up for the week. Kinda crazy. I sort of wish they'd waited another week to start the program instead of this week. Just seemed sorta like bad timing. Oh well. Ready or not, here we go.
I had that. You have to clear your cache, close the browser and re-open.
I am nervous about how it'll actually work. To me, it seems like A LOT too many points??!...I get 7 more daily points, and 14 more weekly points, AND at least 20% of my daily points that I've become used to are now zero (ETA: and on top of all that - running gives you a lot more activity point than it did before too!!), so I feel like it's going to actually be difficult for me to eat enough. Of course, lots of things are more points, so that should help it all balance...but I feel like I've gotten pretty accustomed to giving up things like alcohol and processed foods, etc that I have been able to realize aren't "worth it" for the points. I don't know...just a lot of work to re-learn.
I will say that I eat a lot of ground turkey and chicken breast, etc...and I do feel like the new system will allow me to be more flexible with my proteins, which I appreciate. I just feel like - really?!...HOW can this work? I've been counting apples and carrots for so long - having those "free" makes me wonder what I'll be able to eat for actual points. Anyway, will be interesting. Just lots of work.
ETA: Part of me does think perhaps some of it makes sense...a lot of times I go over/am negative in my points and still lose weight that week, but notice that that is specifically when I'm still counting every single thing, careful about portion size, and the quality of the foods I'm eating, and eating b/c I'm hungry. I refuse to go hungry. But if I'm out of points and starving, I'll eat an apple and some squash or something. So, in a sense, I think maybe this new program is more practical for overall, longterm, healthy living. For that, I'm pretty excited. It's like saying - don't starve yourself, just make smarter choices!! (Which is what I think I've learned with the old system...but I can see how it'd be hard for some people to learn that when one glass of wine is completely equal in "points" as an apple with a little peanut butter, for example).
I think a lot of us on this board have a really good base 'health' knowledge, so the change won't be THAT drastic for us (except maybe we get to eat more?). But for those who 'cheat' the system, just living off of skinny cows and high fiber bread will learn to eat healthier overall.
It will be interesting. I'm hoping this is the change I need to get off my last 10lbs.
What do I think? Well I am on the fence. I think it is a good thing that they are now looking at the whole spectrum w/r/t nutrition. I am somewhat perplexed by the fact that they are looking at fat, fiber, carbs, and protein and not fat, fiber, carbs, protein, AND calories. But, I am not a nutritionist so maybe calories don't have to be in the equation??
A, I am right there with you on having a re-learn everything. Ugh. But on the flip side, I think I need this change. It was way toooooo easy for me to eat a skinny cow ice cream sandwich for 2 points than other things that were much better for me from a nutritional standpoint but were more points.
S, I here you on the higher points. I sometimes had trouble meeting my daily points before, so what about now? I will say that I recalculated the foods I ate before and some are higher points so I think it will all work out.
What are you saying Miss A?? Were you reading over my shoulder before I hit send?? Hah!! Just joking with you!!!! You are correct.
Yeah, I think I'm going to have to adjust my thinking a bit. Example, I normally eat 5 oz of greek yogurt for breakfast. That used to be 1.5 pts, and is now 3. Well, my first inclination was immediately to change it to only eating 4 oz of yogurt for 2 pts (closer to the number of points I'm used to, you know?)...but really, I have all those extra points, so I need to be OKAY with my same amount of yogurt being the right amount for me. It's just going to be hard to change my thinking.
I also normally do an apple with peanut butter as a snack every day. The apple is always a point, the pb 2 points. It's a great, filling 3 pt snack. Well, now the pb is 3 pts, so it makes me cringe to think of eating 3 full points of pb...but the apple is zero now - so it's still a 3 pt snack. Again, just have to not be so worried about those minor fluctuations, especially in light of getting so many more daily and weekly and activity points.
We'll see how it goes! SO SO SOOOO glad to have you guys doing it all at the same time so we can bounce things/concerns/ideas/tips/discoveries off of each other
p.s. um, oh oh...how much is a skinny cow now?!?! :P
Calories don't have to be in the equation since they're asking for protein/carb/fat. The reason is because the amount of calories in an item are a direct result of how much fat, carb and protein are in the item.
1g protein = 4 calories
1g carb = 4 calories
1g fat = 9 calories
For example:
Whole Milk - 1 cup - Nutrition Label:
150 calories
8g fat (x 9 cals per gram = 72 cal)
12g carb (x 4 cals per gram = 48 cal)
8g protein (x 4 cals per gram = 32 cal)
Calories based on per gram fat/carb/protein
72 cal fat + 48 cal carb + 32 cal protein = 152 Calories
Eta - sorry for totally nerding out on you.
Haha! I could live on desserts for 3 meals a day if I allowed myself. I have SUCH a sweet tooth. I feel your skinny cow addiction pain.
4 points! WAAAH!
Except for the pain of updating, I think it will be overall more healthy.
I cant help but think some food manufacturers will be pretty upset, though. Often I see printed points calculations on the outside of packaging. I know I will be making different purchases based the WW changes.
For example, my favorite sliced bread is 4 pts for two pieces. Sandwich Thins are 3 and I dont like how they taste. I wont be purchasing Sandwich Thins again.
It will be interesting to see how this all plays out with food choices and my weight.
Yes, I think sandwich thins are going to become a lot LESS frequent in my meals. If I don't eat a sandwich thin, I usually do an open faced sandwich on my favorite TJs bread. Before, they were both 1 pt each. The new PT values, thins are 3 and TJ's bread is 2.
Thins are expensive too. This should hopefully be better on my food budget too.
oh no...time to think I should make these!
I realized this as well. Boo. I think.
I'm really excited about it. I started WW the week before Thanksgiving and dropped almost 3 lbs in a week (using all of my points). Since I *just* started the conversion won't be too hard. I only had a few favorites saved and I'm VERY glad I didn't go ahead and pre-load all my favorites in like I considered doing. I can easily see how it will be a challenge for long-time users to convert to the new method. If I was in that boat I'd probably be a bit overwhelmed and dread converting all those Favorites/reassessing my usual food choices. I feel for you, angela.
I went from having 20 points per day to 29 points per day, plus weeklies from 35 to 49. I think, given that fruits and veggies are zero, the point increase in reasonably healthy foods isn't something to be worried about. I think it will all even out for people eating fairly healthy. The people who had been relying on foods that are unhealthy but low in points will probably get hit the hardest, but hopefully it will help them change their approach and see more results from the program.
I am incredibly interested to know what foods are getting the biggest point shifts! I'm also looking forward to hearing from you all in the following weeks as you see how the revised program works out.
Women don't want to hear what men think,
women want to hear what they think, in a deeper voice
I'm excited and now I'm considering joining again. I feel like the changes I've read about are a lot closer to my perspective on healthy eating. I don't think I'd be as worried about maintenance. When I was on the program before, I don't think I ate a lot of processed foods compared to some, but I'm sure I relied on them more than I think.
I've managed to lose about 10 pounds on my own this year. But I know I do much better on WW.
The new WW is already working. Instead of having one of my usual mid-afternoon snacks of the 100 calorie kettle corn bags (3 points), I steamed a bowl of broccoli (with a bit of smart butter, soy sauce, and sesame seeds) for 1 point instead.
Also, wine is 4 points instead of 2. This is going to be tough.
I was just reading on MM about their opinions. Am I understanding correctly that everyone now has 29 daily points? That's a little surprising. I always thought taking into account gender, age, weight, height, and daily physical activity was a good way to set the points.
I swear one of the reasons I want to join again is just to see how the new program works. I'm a sucker.
ETA: Nevermind my question above. Most responses have been added on MM and apparently daily points are still decided based on different factors. Phew.
Anyone NOT have 29 DPs?
I also have 29... My mom has more. My sis has more, so there's got to be SOME variety there, but I don't know how exactly.
How many weeklies do you have? I have 49.
I still think 29 might be the minimum though...?
Another general question - does anyone else use the iPhone app? Is it working yet for anyone? It's not working for me yet...
I went from 18 and 35 to 29 and 49... And after one day, I think this actually allows me to eat more!
Interesting. I still have 10-15 more to go, too. And it's weird that someone who's 5'10" would have the same number of points as someone who's 5'0"... Anyone know the rationale behind this? It's not like 29 points translates at all into a ridiculously low number of calories, especially if I can go to town on fruits!