This is not a post and run.... well, kinda.

MBMcC421 · March 2011

In this case, however, Tree has this siggy every year. If you didn't know it before, now you do. It's not aimed at anyone -- it's a freakin' 4chan meme! She didn't create it -- she's just amused by it. Yay internets!

Nunu&Eddie · March 2011

SMorriso:
I think in America it is more acceptable to mock Christianity. With folks like the Westboro Baptist Church, I can sort of see why. Nonetheless, it is painting a broad brush stereotyping people with Christian views. People don't really mock Jews, even though we have many of the same beliefs on controversial topics. Muslims, I think people are still prejudiced, but don't want to touch that topic with a 20ft pole.

???!!!

I don't think we live in the same planet if you really think this.

(And now I go back into hiding)

MBMcC421 · March 2011

Nunu&Eddie:
SMorriso:

I think in America it is more acceptable to mock Christianity. With folks like the Westboro Baptist Church, I can sort of see why. Nonetheless, it is painting a broad brush stereotyping people with Christian views. People don't really mock Jews, even though we have many of the same beliefs on controversial topics. Muslims, I think people are still prejudiced, but don't want to touch that topic with a 20ft pole.

???!!!

I don't think we live in the same planet if you really think this.

(And now I go back into hiding)

I'm gonna have to agree with NuNu here... I mean, I have Jewish friends, and even they can't help but make fun of themselves!

mrs pH · March 2011

arbolita:
I think if you go through life assuming that people say/do things with the intention of being offensive, you're going to set yourself up for a pretty negative view of humanity.

Yes Agree with times a million. And I also agree with what Neuner said previously.

Nunu&Eddie:
SMorriso:
I think in America it is more acceptable to mock Christianity. With folks like the Westboro Baptist Church, I can sort of see why. Nonetheless, it is painting a broad brush stereotyping people with Christian views. People don't really mock Jews, even though we have many of the same beliefs on controversial topics. Muslims, I think people are still prejudiced, but don't want to touch that topic with a 20ft pole.
???!!!
I don't think we live in the same planet if you really think this.
(And now I go back into hiding)

Yeah.... Out of curiosity, has anyone watched/been to a comedy show? Do you get offended or laugh? Because most comics cover pretty much any topic under the sun and this includes religion, race, beliefs, etc....

SMorriso · March 2011

Nunu&Eddie:
SMorriso:
I think in America it is more acceptable to mock Christianity. With folks like the Westboro Baptist Church, I can sort of see why. Nonetheless, it is painting a broad brush stereotyping people with Christian views. People don't really mock Jews, even though we have many of the same beliefs on controversial topics. Muslims, I think people are still prejudiced, but don't want to touch that topic with a 20ft pole.
???!!!
I don't think we live in the same planet if you really think this.
(And now I go back into hiding)

To the degree that there is mockery towards Christians. I've never seen anyone that has been on the Nest with a signature picture mocking a Jewish person. If you can find one let me know.

I've seen plenty of disdain and prejudice towards Christians especially their controversial beliefs where Jewish people aren't included, though they share the same stance.

I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough.

kmo630 · March 2011

I feel like, yes, nobody should set out to offend anyone. That, I do not agree with. Sometimes people just need to take a deep breath and say to themselves, "in the big picture, is it really that big of deal?" I think no matter what you do/say somebody could be offended. I am sure it is a possibility that somebody could be offended by my siggy picture since my son is biracial. Am I going to remove it for that reason...absolutely not. If something is posted/said with malicious intent, then be offended, otherwise move on and don't let it put a damper on your day/life.

Riss91 · March 2011

Before this spirals out of control.... I think the comment was geared towards Christians getting all the slack for beliefs that are shared between other religions. Not that Jews, Muslims, etc NEVER get mocked or criticized.....just the point that it's easier to get away with comments toward Christian groups in many cases.

amelianguy · March 2011

SMorriso:
Nunu&Eddie:
SMorriso:
I think in America it is more acceptable to mock Christianity. With folks like the Westboro Baptist Church, I can sort of see why. Nonetheless, it is painting a broad brush stereotyping people with Christian views. People don't really mock Jews, even though we have many of the same beliefs on controversial topics. Muslims, I think people are still prejudiced, but don't want to touch that topic with a 20ft pole.
???!!!
I don't think we live in the same planet if you really think this.
(And now I go back into hiding)
To the degree that there is mockery towards Christians. I've never seen anyone that has been on the Nest with a signature picture mocking a Jewish person. If you can find one let me know.
I've seen plenty of disdain and prejudice towards Christians especially their controversial beliefs where Jewish people aren't included, though they share the same stance.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough.

This is laughable, Smo. Really. The world is not limited to TN. Both groups endure significant amounts of mockery and ridicule, yes. But to say that "people don't really mock Jews" is utterly ridiculous.

SMorriso · March 2011

amelianguy:
SMorriso:
Nunu&Eddie:
SMorriso:
I think in America it is more acceptable to mock Christianity. With folks like the Westboro Baptist Church, I can sort of see why. Nonetheless, it is painting a broad brush stereotyping people with Christian views. People don't really mock Jews, even though we have many of the same beliefs on controversial topics. Muslims, I think people are still prejudiced, but don't want to touch that topic with a 20ft pole.
???!!!
I don't think we live in the same planet if you really think this.
(And now I go back into hiding)
To the degree that there is mockery towards Christians. I've never seen anyone that has been on the Nest with a signature picture mocking a Jewish person. If you can find one let me know.
I've seen plenty of disdain and prejudice towards Christians especially their controversial beliefs where Jewish people aren't included, though they share the same stance.
I'm sorry I wasn't clear enough.
This is laughable, Smo. Really. The world is not limited to TN. Both groups endure significant amounts of mockery and ridicule, yes. But to say that "people don't really mock Jews" is utterly ridiculous.

Laugh on then. I meant it in the context of this post which involved the OP upset about a Nest signature, and the mockery that is mostly directed towards Christians and hardly Jewish people.

I'm fully aware that there is a world that exists outside of this website. I fully understand that there are religious prejudices against people of many faiths.

The point was that people are less vocal or inclusive when it comes to others outside of Christianity.

mrs pH · March 2011

Riss91:
Before this spirals out of control.... I think the comment was geared towards Christians getting all the slack for beliefs that are shared between other religions. Not that Jews, Muslims, etc NEVER get mocked or criticized.....just the point that it's easier to get away with comments toward Christian groups in many cases.

Do you mean this specifically on this board or in general?

amelianguy · March 2011

Riss91:
Before this spirals out of control.... I think the comment was geared towards Christians getting all the slack for beliefs that are shared between other religions. Not that Jews, Muslims, etc NEVER get mocked or criticized.....just the point that it's easier to get away with comments toward Christian groups in many cases.

Okay, so if this was indeed the meaning of the previous comment, I still wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, I would venture to say it's quite the opposite. If I were to go outside right now and say a derogatory comment about a Muslim person to a random stranger, 9 times out of 10 they're going to nod their head in agreement. I would venture to say this is likely with a derogatory comment towards a Jewish person as well. But if I went outside, found a random person, and told them that something derogatory about Christianity? I'd likely get ripped a new ***. Christianity is much, much more widely accepted in American culture than any other religion.

dbucks · March 2011

amelianguy:
Riss91:
Before this spirals out of control.... I think the comment was geared towards Christians getting all the slack for beliefs that are shared between other religions. Not that Jews, Muslims, etc NEVER get mocked or criticized.....just the point that it's easier to get away with comments toward Christian groups in many cases.
Okay, so if this was indeed the meaning of the previous comment, I still wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, I would venture to say it's quite the opposite. If I were to go outside right now and say a derogatory comment about a Muslim person to a random stranger, 9 times out of 10 they're going to nod their head in agreement. I would venture to say this is likely with a derogatory comment towards a Jewish person as well. But if I went outside, found a random person, and told them that something derogatory about Christianity? I'd likely get ripped a new ***. Christianity is much, much more widely accepted in American culture than any other religion.

I think this is regional, because it's the exact opposite here.

amelianguy · March 2011

dbucks:
amelianguy:
Riss91:
Before this spirals out of control.... I think the comment was geared towards Christians getting all the slack for beliefs that are shared between other religions. Not that Jews, Muslims, etc NEVER get mocked or criticized.....just the point that it's easier to get away with comments toward Christian groups in many cases.
Okay, so if this was indeed the meaning of the previous comment, I still wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, I would venture to say it's quite the opposite. If I were to go outside right now and say a derogatory comment about a Muslim person to a random stranger, 9 times out of 10 they're going to nod their head in agreement. I would venture to say this is likely with a derogatory comment towards a Jewish person as well. But if I went outside, found a random person, and told them that something derogatory about Christianity? I'd likely get ripped a new ***. Christianity is much, much more widely accepted in American culture than any other religion.
I think this is regional, because it's the exact opposite here.

Okay, I'll agree that is entirely possible.

However, as a nation we still observe Christian holidays, we still incorporate Christian doctrine into our laws, and we still reference God (which is, indeed, the Christian/Jewish God, not Allah) on our money and in our pledge.

Now, I understand that perhaps the aforementioned comments were intended to only be about this particular post, however I still disagree.

dbucks · March 2011

amelianguy:
Okay, I'll agree that is entirely possible.

However, as a nation we still observe Christian holidays, we still incorporate Christian doctrine into our laws, and we still reference God (which is, indeed, the Christian/Jewish God, not Allah) on our money and in our pledge.

Now, I understand that perhaps the aforementioned comments were intended to only be about this particular post, however I still disagree.

I agree that she picked a bad example (there are lots of jokes out there about Jewish people, although these are mostly cliches about their personal characteristics and not attacks on their beliefs) but I think the main point was that it is generally more socially acceptable to make fun of the majorities in our country than the minorities, and she said that in direct response to Tela (I think) who asked why Arb's siggy hadn't been previously addressed.

I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

mcd11 · March 2011

amelianguy:
Riss91:
Before this spirals out of control.... I think the comment was geared towards Christians getting all the slack for beliefs that are shared between other religions. Not that Jews, Muslims, etc NEVER get mocked or criticized.....just the point that it's easier to get away with comments toward Christian groups in many cases.
Okay, so if this was indeed the meaning of the previous comment, I still wholeheartedly disagree. In fact, I would venture to say it's quite the opposite. If I were to go outside right now and say a derogatory comment about a Muslim person to a random stranger, 9 times out of 10 they're going to nod their head in agreement. I would venture to say this is likely with a derogatory comment towards a Jewish person as well. But if I went outside, found a random person, and told them that something derogatory about Christianity? I'd likely get ripped a new ***. Christianity is much, much more widely accepted in American culture than any other religion.

Yeah, definitely don't try this if you come to New York City.

Regional? Perhaps. It's more what you're culturally exposed to. Being from a big urban East Coast city, I have always been around people of every religion/nationality under the sun.

And you will probably just say I'm on Team Smo, but I can see what she and Riss are saying (and I am not a person of faith) in that it seems to be somewhat more socially acceptable to make fun of Christians (see the Daily Show). Does it mean they should be exempt from all forms of mockery? I personally don't think so. But it is perhaps more widespread and socially accepted? I'd vote yes.

Riss91 · March 2011

Hey there...sorry had to get some things done at work!

Basically, both dbucks and mcd got it right. Generally speaking, it's more acceptable to attack majorities than minorities. I wasn't talking about making fun of cliches, etc because I know every group is teased for different things. That certainly happens a lot to every group and it's rude and demeaning.

My point was more aimed at attacks and critiques on specific beliefs of Christianity that are universal to many religions. For example, when you hear anti-gay-marriage issues, you see more people attacking Christian faiths for those beliefs. When, in fact that specific belief is shared by many religions. That's just one example of many. And, personally, in my own experience is that people tend to allow others to disrespect Christian beliefs, ideals, hot topics moreso than they would other communities, such as the Jewish community. There seems to be more sensitivity for respecting the Jewish community, for example, than for the Christian community. Again, this is based on what I've seen on TK and TN boards that I personally peruse, what my husband and his colleagues have dealt with in their careers and from what I see/read in the news in addition to my own social experiences.

I am also fully aware that attitudes and behaviors are completely different in different areas of the country and in different parts of the world, so others may have the opposite experience. But, that doesn't discredit mine or others' experiences to the contrary.

amelianguy · March 2011

Okay Riss, I see your point and I do think there is some validity to it. However, I would still argue that it is more socially acceptable in American culture to practice Christianity than any other religion.

Riss91 · March 2011

amelianguy:
Okay Riss, I see your point and I do think there is some validity to it. However, I would still argue that it is more socially acceptable in American culture to practice Christianity than any other religion.

You're absolutely right - and that's likely why some of the "extra" criticisms exist. Many more people have ties to it (were raised in a Christian household, have many relatives that are Christian) so they feel more free to criticize it. In the comedy scene, you can make religious/race/ethnic jokes, but it's only acceptable if you come from that background. If someone from a different background makes the same joke, it isn't funny.

Diamond_Doll · March 2011

Don't we go around (pardon the pun) preaching about how we want this board to be about supporting each other? I agree with Riss that certain topics (religion, race, sexuality) are more taboo and offensive than others. That doesn't mean we can't talk about them, but I think we should just be more respectful of each other. I don't assume every action has malicious intent, but I honestly don't see the point of posting a siggy that you have to know some people will be offended by. Call it funny, if you want, but it's an attack on a religion, and I'm pretty sure we say on a regular basis on this board that that isn't cool.

Diamond_Doll · March 2011

Don't we go around (pardon the pun) preaching about how we want this board to be about supporting each other? I agree with Riss that certain topics (religion, race, sexuality) are more taboo and offensive than others. That doesn't mean we can't talk about them, but I think we should just be more respectful of each other. I don't assume every action has malicious intent, but I honestly don't see the point of posting a siggy that you have to know some people will be offended by. Call it funny, if you want, but it's an attack on a religion, and I'm pretty sure we say on a regular basis on this board that that isn't cool.

ETA: I also realize that there are more important things going on in the world than this, but there are also more important things than food, weekend plans, and your outfit of the day, and no one has a problem when we talk about that.

telatovich · March 2011

I'm going to try and address individuals who called me out and then state my opinion:

MrsMcC: I'm not Catholic... I think any Christian would find something mocking Jesus offensive. I just chose to speak up about it this time. And I know you don't know me, no one here really does, but I promise I don't take life too seriously. I do take my faith seriously.

Neuner: This is a 'real issue' to me. Just because it's not to you doesn't mean it isn't to someone. I never said there weren't "real issues' in the world... and taking 1 minute to make a post about this doesn't mean I'm not concerned about other major issues in the world.

Dbucks - I don't know why I didn't mention it last year or before or whenever, but it really bothered me this morning, so i said something.

Arb - People - many, many people - go through life trying to be controversial, edgy and offensive. That may not have been your goal in this though... IDK if it was or not. But there are so many people that do things and say things just to cause a scene, and I don't think anyone can deny that.

Other thoughts -

1). I had no idea this has been brought up before. i don't go to any other TK or TN boards any more and I don't remember this discussion last year.

2). I could not agree more with the fact that Christianity is mocked in America. It's accepted and okay with so much of America... and that's sad. It's sad that organized religion is bashed so often and so freely. But, what do a lot of people do in a tragedy or when they're afraid? They pray... they turn to God. But then laugh at Him and believers in the next breath.

3). Lots of times people are offended by random things that no one would guess (yes, like how Jill hates the word "broad" or the obvious joke about giving a baby a beer), but i don't think it's a surprise this is one of those random, unexpected offensive things. And when it comes to other controversial topics - if I don't have a really strong opinion, I don't say anything. But I think as a Christian, I had to say something about this.

Think of all the other things people here are passionate about. If someone had a siggy specifically insulting paganism or gay marriage or multi-racial families or recovering drug addicts or SAHM's - multiple people would have said something about it. And depending on who said it, there'd be a whole pack of people sending "big puffy hearts" and "FTW!"s.... and nobody would be telling the insulted person to not take life so seriously.

SocialWorker2B · March 2011

arbolita:
I think if you go through life assuming that people say/do things with the intention of being offensive, you're going to set yourself up for a pretty negative view of humanity.

True.

But, on the flip side, why even do/say/put up things that are offensive to begin with?

SocialWorker2B · March 2011

MBMcC421:
mcd11:

MBMcC421:
Is this seriously about Raptor Jesus?
Potentially stupid question of the day: What is that supposed to mean anyway? The Jurassic Park design aside.
That's just it. It doesn't mean anything other than a harmless joke. "Raptor Jesus went extinct for your sins." Raptor. Extinct. Get it?
Honestly, Tela... something tells me its not meant to insult all of Catholicism... its supposed to be light-hearted fun. You can't take everything so seriously all of the time... Life's too short!

Even if SHE didn't mean it to be offensive, it still is.

SocialWorker2B · March 2011

MBMcC421:
Nunu&Eddie:
SMorriso:

I think in America it is more acceptable to mock Christianity. With folks like the Westboro Baptist Church, I can sort of see why. Nonetheless, it is painting a broad brush stereotyping people with Christian views. People don't really mock Jews, even though we have many of the same beliefs on controversial topics. Muslims, I think people are still prejudiced, but don't want to touch that topic with a 20ft pole.
???!!!
I don't think we live in the same planet if you really think this.
(And now I go back into hiding)
I'm gonna have to agree with NuNu here... I mean, I have Jewish friends, and even they can't help but make fun of themselves!

I definitely think Jewish people are mocked in this country.

Muslims are definitely discriminated against.

Christians are also mocked.

My stance is: WHY MOCK ANYONE? I simply don't understand it.

There are so many siggies out there that don't offend people. I love siggies that advocate for change or acceptance, etc.

lneuner09 · March 2011

telatovich:

Neuner: This is a 'real issue' to me. Just because it's not to you doesn't mean it isn't to someone. I never said there weren't "real issues' in the world... and taking 1 minute to make a post about this doesn't mean I'm not concerned about other major issues in the world.

Really? A picture in someone's signature on an online forum. A cartoon. A picture that you don't even know if she intended to be offensive. And even if she did mean it to be offensive, she has the right to do that. It's called the first amendment. Because you can be offended all damn day and still has every right to put that picture in her siggy. And you know what? I can't stop you from saying that you're offended by her picture.

But you know what? If you walk through life looking for something to be offended by, you'll always find it. I choose to opt for a different approach to life. I have clients that experience discrimination way more real. They are spit on, laughed at and called stupid and crazy to their FACE while their families and children are threatened because of something they have very little control over.

There are THOUSANDS dead in Japan. Even more here in the US trying to fight for equal rights with their partners (regardless of whether you believe they have the right to do that, they still are). We have one of the highest childhood hunger rates in a country as wealthy as we are.

So forgive me if I find this "issue" to be trivial and ridiculous. And yes, you and others need to lighten the EFF up. Because if you think this shhit is offensive, you ain't seen nothing. Take a vacation to the real world before you decide whether this is a "real" issue or not.

And guess what - this will probably offend you. and I don't care. Because you calling this little cartoon a "real" issue? That offends me.

telatovich · March 2011

Geez, sound higher and more mighty. Good gosh...

But I will not lighten up about my faith. Choosing this stand point doesn't mean I don't have other concerns and there aren't other, major issues in the world. And again - I wasn't, nor do I, look for things to be offended by. This was offensive, I said something. The end.

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