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Re: Get It All Out Thread
Wait...what? Are you saying that if are an 18 year old legal non-citizen who has lived in the state of MD for a year to establish residency here - you still have to pay out of state tuition? If that's true that's ridiculous and I'm totally on board with being angry. I didn't really look at any state schools when I was applying to colleges, so I always assumed that in-state resident just meant exactly what it says - that you live in the state.
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Eh, I only needed a SSN to get into college and law school. Many illegal immigrants have SSNs.
And legal immigrants who are maryland residents pay in-state tuition, so they do the same thing for those who spend the money to be here legally.
Finally - this bill is pretty limited in its scope, which is why I'm okay with it. It only applies to illegal immigrants who attended HS here for 3 years, whose parents pay state income taxes (so this isn't getting something for nothing), and they have to start at a community college.
I mean if we want to discuss the bill, let's at least discuss what the bill actually IS, not just that "illegals" are getting something that "legals" aren't, because that's flat-out wrong.
My unpopular opinion is that I suppor this bill. And I hate the term "illegals."
me too
I don't like them either... but I relented and let Jen put one on DD for a couple of her newborn photos to appease my mom and sister. (Both of whom are big 80's queens)
Apparently seeing that as weakness, when I came home from the store one day and my mom had dressed DD up in an outfit that I swear would not have looked out of place on Olivia Newton-John in her "Let's get Physical" stage. After that I banished all headbands from the house.
Yes, it doesn't matter how long you've lived in MD. As long as you don't have a green card, you pay out of state. I paid out of state tuition all through my college life, even though I worked and paid taxes for 3+ years.
I don't mind the the term "illegal immigrant", but I ditto the hate for the term "illegals." It's right up there with "The Gays."
And now that I've actually gone and read the bill, I am back to thinking all the outrage over this is silly.
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Not true, if you are from a Visa Waiver country (basically the EU) you can come to visit w/o getting a visa from the US consulate in your country, but you can only stay for a "visit" business or pleasure for up to 90 days. Once you exceede that 90 days you are considered an "overstay" and it is illegal for you to be in the country, and if you are caught you will be deported. If you are from a non-visa waiver country you cannot enter the US with a foreign passport unless you have a visa. And there are tourist visas for those from countries not visa waiver, usually a B1 or B2 visa, you can also get a work visa if you are going to be here for over 90 days. If you are an immigrant and you want to come live in the US you must apply for an Immigrant Visa, which allows you to travel to the US and apply for immigration status/citizenship.
Really? that's not what the website says. That is interesting.
::off to research::
Right - if you actually read the bill, I think it's clear that it applies to a very specific group of illegal immigrants.
This is not entirely true. Unless you have permanent residency (green card) you pay out of state.
UMD's website says:
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1. Owns or possesses, and has continuously occupied, including during weekends, breaks and vacations, living quarters in Maryland. The student must provide evidence of a genuine deed or lease and documentation of rent payments made. In lieu of a deed or lease, a notarized affidavit from a landlord showing the address, name of the student as occupant, term of residence, and history of rent payments made will be considered. As an alternative, a student may demonstrate that he or she shares living quarters in Maryland which are owned or rented and occupied by a parent, legal guardian or spouse.2. Has substantially all of his or her personal property, such as household effects, furniture and pets in Maryland. 3. Has paid Maryland income tax on all taxable income including all taxable income earned outside the State and has filed a Maryland tax return.4. Has registered all owned or leased motor vehicles in Maryland.5. Possesses a valid Maryland driver's license, if licensed. 6. Is registered to vote in Maryland, if registered to vote.7. Receives no public assistance from a state other than the State of Maryland or from a city, county or municipal agency other than one in Maryland.8. Has a legal ability under Federal and Maryland law to live permanently without interruption in Maryland.9. Has rebutted the presumption that he or she is in Maryland primarily to attend an educational institution, if the student's circumstances have raised the presumption.
I'm over H's moping around the house and not doing anything!!
Confessions?
I'm over living in Florida and ready move back to MD. This place is nice to visit, but not to live, IMO.
Unpopular Opinions?
Along the line of the "illegal immigrants" I don't believe that anyone who doesn't pay income taxes and the like get any kind of free benefits.
Don't worry, Melissa. I always have DD in a headband or bow. She is bald, so it helps people realize she is a girl. You would think pink would do the trick, but it doesn't always.
I think they are super cute (but I do try to keep the flowers pretty small)
It doesn't make sense that it's not illegal for them to live here but illegal for them to work. I thought what Cooper wrote above.
One thing I don't understand is why is the state allowing them in-state tuition (which is discounted) when if they graduate, they won't be able to get a job because they are here illegally.
The main thing with residency for people who are non US citizens is you have to be able to establish residency. There are plenty of visa classifications that are given to non US citizens and they are able to establish residency.
A lot of the students come here on an F1 visa and even if you've lived here and been going to school here for 10 years, you'll never get in state tuition.
I do residency for my office. It makes me want to jump off a cliff.
And for more fun, here's the bill.
http://mlis.state.md.us/2011rs/bills/sb/sb0167e.pdf
2Have2Hold, I think the bill would apply as well to legal immigrants who do not have a green card, so long as they apply for their permanent residency as soon as they are eligible. I see nothing in the bill that prohibits it from applying to legal immigrants, I only see language expressly including illegal immigrants. it states:
IN THE CASE OF AN INDIVIDUAL WHO IS NOT A PERMANENT 18 RESIDENT, COMMUNITY COLLEGE AN AFFIDAVIT STATING THAT THE INDIVIDUAL WILL FILE 20 AN APPLICATION TO BECOME A PERMANENT RESIDENT WITHIN 30 DAYS AFTER 21 THE INDIVIDUAL BECOMES ELIGIBLE TO DO SO;
The federal DREAM act (which was killed in December) provided a path to citizenship - I forget the details, but it was something like if you get a degree and/or served in the military for two years you could become a citizen. Not as simple as that obviously, but something along those lines. Part of the point is to allow those who were brought here by their parents to become citizens and to be able to work legally and contribute to society and to our economy - hence in the MD DREAM act, the requirement of going to HS in the state. Someone can't move here at 25 and try to get in-state tuition. this is to help prevent a glut of illegal immigrants who have lived in the country for most of their lives but are unable to work legally.
This is my feeling.... fine they pay taxes (still not sure how since they are illegal) and use our public schools for education then go to In-State U/College to get an education but when they come out of school, they are still illegal, so how are they going to get a job??? I know in my line of work and most gov't jobs, you need to be a citizen or have a visa to work in the country.
DE IVF #1= 04/11 - BFP
Sorry- I was being very simplistic- my issue w/ the term illegal (especially illegal alien and just "illegals") is that it connotes that people have always entered the country illegally and I hate the whole stereotype of people running illegally crossing the border, etc. Lots of people who here w/o documentation entered the country legally.
I thought that just being in the country w/o proper documentation was a civil violation and not a criminal offense?
My thoughts exactly.
And now for my confessions:
1. My H got a great promotion last week. He basically told his boss that if he didn't a promotion (job title and salary) that went along with his repsonsibilities for the last year or so, he was going to start looking elsewhere. Even though the promotion is pretty awesome, part of me was hoping that he wouldn't get it, and would go elsewhere (ignoring the fact that well-apying jobs aren't in huge supply right now). So now he'll probably be there for the next million years because of his unwavering loyalty and I'm sort of annoyed about it.
2. I've been home all work doing an online training course that was supposed to take 40 hours. I probably could have finished the whole thing on Monday if I wanted to - it probably took 12 hours total. But I'm milking it.
Yes I know about the DREAM act, but like you said, it was never passed. Since it wasn't, how can this be passed?
Right. And I guess this is where it starts getting complicated because there are so many visa categories and for many of those, they will never qualify to apply for permanent residency - even though their visa allows them to live here for years. So the bill, while it will cover some legal residents, it will not cover all of them.
Vents:
I am tired of people complaining about their pregnancies on FB. I am thisclose to hiding them all. Of course it wouldn't bother me if I could actually manage to get KTFU myself.
I'm not saying you shouldn't tak about your pregnancy at all. Just don't complain about it every 2 hours, please, because some of us would love to have those problems.
Confessions:
I am not especially looking forward to our trip to VA next week. We can't take the dog, and we are going to be out on a mountain at my uncle's orchard/farm/very rural home. I know DH is going to LOVE it, but after a day or two of reading my Kindle, I am probably going to be really bored.
Unpopular Opinions:
I hate those Dear_____ letters. I think they are usually silly, whiny, or passive aggressive. *ducks*
Vents? My three year old's attitude is making me so upset. These are his last days as an only child and he's spending them throwing fits, which means he goes to his room. It stinks. Three is damned hard.
Confessions? I've been eating ice cream every night. I've already surpassed my weight gain with Aiden, so I figure if I'm going to be fat, I might as well enjoy it!
Unpopular Opinions? not sure!
miscarriage on 11/26/09 at 5w6d
Confessions: I really love this whole not working thing. Loving it. Waaaaaaay too much. I really really wish I didn't have to find a new job. But I do. Maybe I can convince H part time would be good. IDK what I want to do. I want a steady, secure job, with normal hours. That is all. And, I want a new car. I love my SUV, love it. It's great, but I really want something more fuel efficient (the new Focus perhaps). I realize it's extremely selfish in the big picture to drive an SUV, especially for just me. But I love it. And as much as I want a new car (really really want) I also am scared to give up my SUV, bc I have had one for so long. We shall see
Vents: (this is going to sound awful after my confession) We have now been in our house for 5 months, and it is not nearly as done as I would like it to be. Partly because H is so damned difficult about getting furniture, accesories and such. I know what I want. It's not that complicated. He gets all weird and difficult about the most basic things. I have a feeling that he will flip when he finds out how much I spent on a test curtain panel today (which I will return or buy more of when I decide if I like them). He is just so weird about the house, and that makes me nuts. I need "stuff" curtains, rugs, pictures, etc to make it homey around here. The folding table that is holding the place of a real one in the dining room has gotten uber old.
UO: Ummmm, IDK.
Ditto PPs on big flower headbands for babies (FIA those pics made me LOL!). And ditto sapphireb re: pregnancy on FB. I don't want a baby right now but it's so freakin' annoying. STFU already about how it's uncomfortable, you're tired all the time, blah blah blah. Noshit.
Along those lines, I'm sick of people putting EVERYTHING on FB, like they have no filter. These days it just seems like nothing is private and it really bugs me. Isn't there anything that warrants a personal phone call or even email? Good friends of DH's just had a baby and he got an email, not even a personal one or a text/phone call. Seriously?
My unpopular opinion is if you want to live here/go to college here/work here, you should be a citizen. Immigrate if you want, that's fine, but you better be legal and you better be on a path to citizenship.
Sorry, but I think it's ridiculous to get panties in a wad over how you find out about a baby's birth UNLESS you're a very close friend or relative. There is no way we had the time, energy or frankly, inclination to contact everyone we know directly. My best friend was the only person I called directly, my mother and sister were at the hospital when she was born, and they took care of telling everyone else.