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Re: FYI- According to the Bible, abortion is NOT murder.
I find it amazing that we are using the old testement since replacement theology has made it seem the that old testement is for jews only and "christians" have a whole new "covenant" and even "doctrine" ......still disgusts me!!!?
"the bible" is a jewish book written by jewish authors and by a jewish messiah" I suppose getting the viewpoint of a G-d Fearing jew would be appropo. I'll tell you right now G-d made life.. he knows the number of each one of our days. Whether you believe or not your days too are numbered.. but the problem with that is that it puts him in a place that so many want to see him, on a pedastal with a magnifiying glass torturing us and then finally killing us off on our "numbered day"
The G-d of Abraham Isaac and jacob Is sooo much more then that, Is he a jealous G-d? YES!! Is he a warring God? YES!! All of the "negative things he is are simply aspects of his nature...
We are missing that he is loving caring and merciful G-d. Since we are all qouting and BELEIVEINg the bible at the moment.. He knows the hairs on your head, You are the apple of his eye, you individually are his beloved, he loved you soooo much that he sent Yeshua to you! Wether you believe that or not it is a option placed before you to CHOOSE this day whom you will serve...
Now tel me the G-d who knows how many hairs are on your head he knows how many breaths you will take and how many tears you will cry. He knows the story behind EVERY tortured soul..... and he is okay with us killing off the "things" that he already has life planned for???
Now I am usually all for live and let live.... There are just some thigs that caught my eye and may the laws of mitzvot be layed on those who speek so losley here!!
Firstly NO you do not translate the bible into whatever fits your life...... that is not how it was designed... you dont say "todaymy bible says it is okey for me to gossip since that is what I want to do" ?those of you who are christian and saying that you translate the bible howeer you want are people seekers!! you have gotten so caught up in "getting people in your church" that you have replaced Torah with your own bible!! You follow that bible to each his own as I have said but may the laws of that Trah rest deeply on your heart and convict your non-chalant attitude as you truly do know better.
Secondly that verse clearly states that any human death is eye for an eye...
A JEWISH translation....as close to the original no NIV NKJ yada yada typical change my bible so I can get more people in my church and more tithe money.... lets just put a popcorn machine in during service too... HA oh wait some alradey have!!
Stop trying to disprove a bible that you know vey well you do not want to be apart of!! You can continue to live your life and make your dicisions but I choose to follow the G-d of Abraham Isaac and Jacob and the true meaning of his mitzvot!!
Oh and P.s. Judge not least you be judged... pushing sin and repentance down someones throat will only provoke them to be angry at you and the religion you hide behind!! G-d is a good G-d he knows what is going on and according to him you have NO part in anyones salvation or conviction....that is his job.... put down your bible and get off your soap box and realize that sin is sin....you gssiping and lying are just the same as any other sin none is greater none is worse.... of course the BIBLE clearley states that your gossip and lying is a far greater slap in the face then gay marriage, abortion and such..unless you plan on taking over G-d's job antime soon PUT DOWN YOUR RULERS!!!!?
I typically wont get into religion but a few things made me indignant.....going back to being peaceful and letting everyone CHOOSE!!!!! ?
Play again once you learn to read Hebrew and don't have to resort to C&Ps.
The word used in Exodous is not yeled- it's yeladeiyah, which most closely translates to pregnancy.
I did a little research on this and found this. It seems to focus on the choice of Hebrew words for "miscarriage". It seems to suggest that we are not talking about a dead baby in this verse at all:
http://www.str.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5700
If that's all you were trying to say, then why did you say "The Bible?" ?Why didn't you say "The Old Testament," or "The Pentateuch," etc.? ?How would you feel if a Christian posted a thread titled, "Hebrew Law states {insert opposite of what you believe as a Jewish person here}." ?Again, I am not a Christian, but I think you're post is extremely offensive and I think you must have meant it to be.?
I only have a few things to offer:
1) The Bible was not written by God, but by men. And I don't care how inspired you are, as an author, you're putting your bias in there.
2) Psalms are songs. Songs, people. Does this mean I should start taking the words I hear on the radio literally, too? (although this does start to explain the Religious Right's interest in censorship)
3) Who the fucck made anyone the judge and jury? Leave me and my womb alone. If I fucck it up, I'll answer to God, not to some Bible-thumping idiot.
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And I think you're just playing the moral outrage card because you happen to disagree. Since when do Christians have the market cornered on the use of the word "Bible?" When some Christians say that "the bible says abortion is murder," how come they don't have to say "The New Testament" says abortion is murder?
If Christians want to insert their beliefs into the language of the new testament and quote it when they feel it supports their arguments, awesome. But when someone states that "The Bible" says abortion is murder, when CLEARLY it doesn't, I have every right to speak up and prove them wrong by telling them what my bible, the OT (which they often use to support these conclusions) states.
AMEN! I totally agree with you. People should not try quoting the Bible if they don't know what they are talking about. It makes them look foolish and people need to be careful when they do so. Of course we need to keep in mind everyone is intitled to their own opinions and beliefs whether we like it or not. Being a Christian I am not going to hate someone who believes the opposite of what I believe. It can definitly be hard sometimes. But I do agree with part of what you said.
Sorry had to get in on this too!
First of all, I'm an observant, Orthodox Jew.
Secondly, if you're so frum, why aren't your shoulders covered in your little avatar picture? You are violating the laws of tznius.
I translated the Torah, which says that a fetus is not a person. Who is your rabbi? Every single Orthodox rabbi I know READILY accepts that a fetus is not a person! Shemos doesn't say it isn't a life- it says it isn't a person.
First of all, I'm an observant, Orthodox Jew.
Secondly, if you're so frum, why aren't your shoulders covered in your little avatar picture? You are violating the laws of tznius.
I translated the Torah, which says that a fetus is not a person. Who is your rabbi? Every single Orthodox rabbi I know READILY accepts that a fetus is not a person! Shemos doesn't say it isn't a life- it says it isn't a person.
First of all, you don't know what my views on abortion are. ?Secondly, you actually aren't saying what the bible tells people. ?You are saying what YOU think one verse in one half of the bible says, but then applying it to the entire bible and to someone else's religion. ?That's what I think is offensive.
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The scripture you quoted is talking about two men colliding with a pregnant woman, not deliberately killing the fetus inside ofher. The scripture refers to an accident, abortion is intentional killing.
That scripture does nothing to prove your point IMO.
LMAO! I read biblical Hebrew- you know, the language the Old Testament was written in? Or did you think G-d wrote it in English?
I suggest you learn Hebrew and read it for yourself- you look foolish telling someone who is reading it in the original language that they have no idea what they are talking about, when all you've seen are watered down, English translations.
This also not a new argument. Rabbis and Jewish leaders have been trying to quote the verse in Exodus for a loong time as a reason to justify abortion. I didn't C&P. I have an area in my Bible that shows the Hebrew. The noun form of this word is yeled, the same word used many times for child. I'm not a Hebrew scholar, but I know when someone is trying to twist the word of God to justify their own beliefs. I honestly can't believe you've been studying this since you were 12 and haven't thought to ask God what it means. I think you are also confused about the verb yasa when you tried to quote it as "miscarry." According to the note in my Bible, it is used 1,061 other times in the Hebrew Bible and is never translated as "miscarry" in any other verse.
It doesn't matter what your views on abortion are. You're saying that my bible is only "one half" of the "entire bible" which is extremely offensive.
And you are again, mistaken- I'm translating the passage in Exodous word for word. It says what it says. If you take issue with it, ask G-d to grant a personhood amendment for fetuses, because no designation exists in the OT currently.
I am Jewish and hardcore pro-choice, and I agree with DecemberWedding07. You present this as saying the Bible does not equate the fetus with a person, but this is only part of the Bible in which Christians believe. So I do see how your post is offensive to them and needlessly inflammatory. I would be offended too.
I think it's very clear from everything that you said earlier (like if Christians tell you the Bible says that abortion is murder that you have the right to tell them that it does not) that you mean the Christian Bible when you said Bible in the thread title, and yes your bible is one half of the Christian Bible, so I don't think you have a right to tell Christians what their Bible tells them when you're only using one verse from one half of it.?
Yeah! I want my womb too! Until someone can show me scientific proof, not some book written by who knows who centuries ago, I will not submit that a fetus is a person...how can anyone know that a soul/spirit is indeed there at conception. That is what I believe, if you bible hugging folks out there don't agree, fine, but don't use your moral compass to guide me, I have my own, and I find it quite trusty!
Wow you have to attack everyone don't you. I was saying that we shoudl not hate those with different beliefs. Obviously if someone on here has something to say you need to attack it. There are many post on this board and in a more broad view I was talking about anyone in general quoting the Bible. Sorry if you think I was making judgements on you. I think you need to understand that if you post somehting like this people are going to disagree. Did I quote the Bible?
Very observant Jews do not write out the word God. No need to attack her for that.
I would also like to say that, several times, you said that people needed to learn Hebrew and read the original text. I respectfully disagree. Learning to read Hebrew may help in understanding the original text, but our modern minds inhibit us from having a full understanding. Unless you are from that time period and region, your understanding, even of the Hebrew text will be quite limited. Real understanding of the Bible only comes from God.
Pointing out that another Nestie should've had her shoulders covered in her photo also makes you judgmental and IMO completely discredits your argument.
I think most of us are offended that you would post something about Christian faith when obviously you know absolutely nothing about Christian faith.
I'm still waiting for mm's explanation of her use of the word "miscarry". Where is the support that the fetus died...or just born prematurely? Emma has questioned it at least three times and it's questioned in the link I provided above.
Thank you. I was curious.
Kind of like using ONE verse in one half of the bible and then applying it to someone else's morals to tell people who are in love they can't get married?
Yeah, I can see how you'd find that offensive.
Oh for pete's sake. This is a ridiculous argument. You will NEVER find a definitive translation of the old Hebrew texts. Why? Because #1) they were in horrible shape even by the time of Constantine, and hard to read #2) They are NOT written in a single narrative. The OT is basically a whole bunch of different (and often conflicting) texts that were smashed together (probably by a 3rd century minor Hebrew tribal leader that was trying to create legitamacy for himself as a ruler). As a result you have different words used for the same meanings and different meanings for the same words.
#3) we are talking about a dead language. Ancient hebrew is not the same as modern Hebrew any more than modern English is the same as Old English. So biblical scholars can only take a stab and translation based on what their best guess is for how the word would have been used at the time.
Oh Skatcat, you killjoy! Why'd you have go and get all scholarly?