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In-law issues

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  • I don't doubt that your SMIL is a pill.  I believe everything you say.  I can't believe she TEXTS invitations.

    BUT you are wrong in this too and if you refuse to see this, then this situation will only get worse.  Two wrongs don't make a right.  How you said "no" to her inviation was rude and uncalled for.  No matter how rude her invitation may have been.

    If you really feel you don't even have to apologize for that, then all I can say is "good luck". 

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  • imageMrsPetroske:
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     So we did HAVE to go.

    Really? She came over with a gun, stuck it to your head, forced you in the car, and made you drive to the wedding? Didn't anyone at the wedding inquire about her gun being pointed to your head the entire time?

     

    Wow. Your so cleaver. No she didn't point a gun at us. But she kept nagging and nagging about this that and the other thing until we finally said yes. It didn't matter when we said we had plans (we were going to go out with my friends that night), it didn't matter that we didn't have money. To her, we HAD to go.  

    Bullshits. You, as grown adults, may the choice to go. Because YOU decided to give into her nagging and whining. She did not MAKE you go and YOU did not HAVE to go--YOU decided it was the choice you wanted to make.

     

    Please don't breed. If you can't stand up to a little nagging and whining, you have no business attempting to raise a child.

  • You come across very angry in this post. If you live your life with this tit for tat attitude you are always going to feel slighted or mad at someone. I couldn't tell you who did or didn't give me a gift for my wedding or for any other occasion. You really need to let that mentality go. 
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  • imagealithebride:
    imageMrsPetroske:

    Thank you for your response. I agree that I should try to keep the peace, but I am not going to those showers. The girls didn't give us gifts for our wedding, even after we did at theirs (or went and paid our own ways). wait a second. in your OP you said you gave one a gift but not the others as you had to pay for tolls, food etc.. 

    She's counting showing up at the 2nd girl's wedding as equal to a wedding present.

     

    Honestly, so much could be avoided.  You have to learn to deal with individuals like this more strategically.  Right now, I do see that you need to apologize for escalating matters that need not have been escalated.

    If your MIL never sends out invitations, as you said only handles things via text, then you could have chosen NOT to have texted back and to have sent regrets - politely worded - via your FIL since you seem to anticipate negativity from your MIL.  You don't have to lie to say you have plans - I see that there wasn't a date yet, just a general announcement - all you have to do is word your retort better.

    And, sigh, you do not give gifts to get gifts, and you do not give gifts with a track record and score card.  You also do not count tolls on the road there as equal to a wedding present.  If you don't wish to give a wedding gift, then send a card, or don't...but you don't act like a child and say "they didn't please me enough by doing XYZ therefore I'm going to be withholding and my own rudeness is therefore justified."  That's not only feeding into the poor family dynamics, it's outright causing them on your part.

    The moment there was a snide remark about your FIL's b-day party and your not having to go was an opportunity to say, "Absolutely we're coming.  Wouldn't miss it for the world and excited about it!"  Positive and confirming.  

    The moment a FB message went up on the wall you could have chosen not to involve yourself in her passive aggressiveness.  You were in a no-win situation with any other response than Ignore.  Let her look like the loon next time all by herself.

    As far as your FIL thinking you need to apologize - well, you have a list of actions now that you took a wrong turn in...apologize.  And apologize without a score card figuring her apology has to be some grand thing (or even happen).  If your DH doesn't think you have anything to apologize for, then ask him how he would have appropriately handled each step which would allow you not to be walked over but would have kept you from feeding the beast.  That's when he'll see things and help out a little in how to apologize.  I don't feel you need to grovel at her feet, I don't think you need to fake a whole lot of reasons.  You can apologize by being "participating in destructive communication between the two of us."  

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  • Bottom-line, you're right, they are wrong. At least, that's what you seem to think. You have been offered several solutions to smooth things over and make some sort of peace and have shot down every one. You are in the wrong on this, as well, but if you won't admit that, then there's really nothing to say. Just let it go, you've obviously made up your mind.
  • This whole attitude you have about lying is very immature. There is a difference between telling a lie and being socially respectful of other people. Do you have any friends? I can't imagine being friends with someone that would say "no I'm not coming to your kids birthday party because your kid is a stupid little brat....sorry I can't tell a lieeee!" Does your husband tell you "of course you look fat in that dress, honey!" You talk about being raised right but you have the social etiquette of a preschooler. Grow up.
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  • imageMrsPetroske:

    To: alithebride 

    I was raised that for weddings, graduations, baby showers, etc, when someone gives you a gift, you reciprocate. Not everyone was raised that way. If you were raised ONLY to reciprocate then your parents did you a HUGE injustive. That is why I didn't give her a gift. And I did have to go to the wedding. It was something that was done to keep the peace. We tried to tell his stepmother that we couldn't make it and she b!tched and moaned until we did. So we did HAVE to go. no you didn't have to. you went to shut up the SM. It was more than tasteless to make everyone go out of their ways and pay all these expenses to watch them get married (not to mention we were invited to this wedding one week prior via text message). ALL OF THESE EXPENSES?!?!! you must be joking. when anyone attends a wedding getting themselves there and back again is their issue-not for the B&G to pick up. Yes, they got married, after being engaged, having an engagement party, breaking it off and us spending a whole day that we had to request off from work (again for his stepmother) to move her out of their place you DIDNT have to do this. you CHOSE to do this., then getting back together and having a baby shower in place of a wedding shower because they had everything for the house.  Not only that but they and their husbands ate the most expensive meal offered and one husband broke a glass that we had to pay for at our wedding. who cares?! you went and you accept the terms of going when you do. And they broke a glass. ONE glass. you really are petty.

     The invites for both girls weddings, their wedding showers, the baby showers, and for his fathers birthday were ALL VIA TEXT. It wasn't a heads up it ended with "RSVP by...." She wouldn't send a real invite, she doesn't do things like that. It is easier for her to get her way via text.frankly i dont think much of your FIL in this case either-if she dosen't know better-he should. and what about the girls, their husbands and their husbands families? NO ONE got an invite? everyone got a text? I find tht hard to beleive frankly.

    And for the party, we went back and forth about money because my husband and I both work really crappy jobs (the economy isn't very good) and we are TRYING to save every penny for a house (we currently live with my parents). And about the planning because she never once consulted either of his children (my husband and my SIL) about the party. She just went ahead and made reservations at a fancy, expensive restaurant. The dinner was everyone who comes pays for their own meal. She didn't expect us to cover the total cost, but our meals, which we knew we couldn't afford.  for FIL's birthday you can afford to go out to eat. you dont have to have caviar you have one small app, a salad and a soda and call it a day. your financial issues should not be everyone else's (it's none of their business) and you need to be able to be flexible. i realize you're saving for a house-that's great, but considering you both have admittedly crappy jobs who's gonna give you a mortgage? this looks to me like one more case of you looking for reasons why to NOT go to something. it's DH's FATHER for crying out loud.

    And yes, she is entitled to post whatever she wants on facebook, but what is she, 10? Really. That post was ridiculous. of course it was. she sounds like ajerk.

    I haven't said why I hate her because it wasn't necessarily about this post. She is manipulative. My husband and FIL agree that if something doesn't go the way she wants, she twists her stories so that she is the angel and the other person involved is some horrible scumbag. My husband and FIL went out last night to talk about this and that is what they said. I don't believe I should apologize because like I said, there is no way to respond "no" without sounding mean. Obviously, she didn't want anyone to say no.  i find that hard to believe considering FIL just wanted you and DH to apologize. if he really thought she was that nuts he'd tell your DH there was nothing he could do.

    My husband can't stand his father's wife, so it isn't just me. But that I am not going to her slutty daughter's showers is what pissed her off in the first place. I have blocked her phone from calling/texting me, so my husband will do all the correspondence with his family from now on. But just to point one thing out... She isn't my MIL. She is my FIL's wife. Big difference. My MIL is great. i think that having DH doing all of the talking is a smsart move.

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  • imageMrsPetroske:

    Thank you for your response. I agree that I should try to keep the peace, but I am not going to those showers. The girls didn't give us gifts for our wedding, even after we did at theirs (or went and paid our own ways). As for the birthday, it was canceled right after our little tiff with his stepmother. My husband can't think of anything that I need to apologize for, but he and his father decided that we should both apologize just to make things better. But I won't apologize if I did nothing wrong. He didn't ask his father what it was that I needed to apologize for. Maybe I will ask him. 

    I am just so sick of her manipulating situations. Luckily my FIL has told his wife that she isn't blameless in this feud. But that post on fb.... What is she 10?  

    She feels hurt and is being passive-aggressive. Quite normal reaction, actually. As to why you hate her - well, aside from her marital history, you've given us very little to go on. So her daughters didn't give you gifts - maybe they thought that they didn't need to, 'cause it's family (some families think things like that). Or whatever. But the showers aren't the issue. The future is the issue. Because things like this are going to continue to come up and it's up to you to figure out how to deal with it to keep the peace.

    As to the apologies, there is a huge difference between apologizing for what you did and apologizing for how the other person felt. You can totally go into it saying something like, "I'm sorry you felt hurt. That wasn't my intention." (It wasn't, was it?). It's about keeping the peace. Do what you can, because honestly, this situation has the potential of putting your H and FIL in a tug of war and ultimately creating tension between all of you, long-term. That's not what you want, is it? Nip it in the bud.

  • If you know when the showers will be held, I actually would apologize and I'd just say "I'm really sorry for how I initially responded.  I realize it came across harshly and that wasn't my intention.  All I meant was that I'm busy those days and unfortunately can't come.  It doesn't mean anything about how I feel about them.  And in turn, we of course plan on coming to FIL's party.  I feel horrible how things have played out and I want you to know that I'm sorry...".

     

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  • Ditto to all the PP's. 

    1.  Written words can be misconstrued - i.e. text messages.  Pick up the d@mn phone and offer up an RSVP so that it's NOT misconstrued, even if you are making something up so that you don't have to go/dont want to.

    2.  Tit for Tat = Tacky.  Grow up and be an adult.  Just because you were "raised" to give equivolent does not mean that it how everything is supposed to be.  If you think like that, you will be sorely disappointed for the rest of your life.  Life it not Tit for Tat.

    3.  You could have gone to the dinner for your FIL.  You get one meal and SHARE or just a small appetizer; you don't have to partake in a five course meal, if it's that fancy.  It's not your place to suggest other locations for parties.  It's her party and she's going to have it, no matter what.  If you can't go, then you cant. You let them know, via PHONE and not text messages or email, that you are so sorry you can't attend and maybe suggest another date for dinner to celebrate.  Easy Peasy. 

    4.  You might not support their marriages, or the fact that they are having babies, but if you want to alienate the family even further, then by all means don't send a gift.  But if you want to be a bigger, better person than they are, then send something, albeit small and thoughtful, in budget.  That is what an adult would do.

    Sometimes YOU have to be the bigger person.  And you can't change them; you can only change YOURSELF. 

     

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  • You do understanding that this is your husband's family right?  And regardless of how you feel about them, he is blood related at least to his father and presumably has some emotional connection to them. You're acting immature, no better than SMIL, and putting your husband in a crummy position in the meantime.

    You sound incredibly petty and spiteful especially when it comes to money.  So what they didn't buy you a gift.  The point of inviting guests to your wedding is to share an important event with people you care about.  So what they ordered the most expensive meal?  You offered it and you invited them.  Sure, its good etiquette to give a present but its also good etiquette not to demand presents or expect presents and not to throw hissy fits when you don't get them.  So you're just as much in the wrong, especially considering you refused to give a gift out of spite. 

    You need to grow up, make a decision not to get mad over stupid things, let go of useless grudges and find a way to maintain a cordial relationship with them for the sake of your DH and FIL.

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  • imageMrsPetroske:
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    I was raised that you give equivalent to what has been given to you.

    Then your parents are tacky as well. Gifts should be given based on what you can afford and want to spend for an occasion, out of the goodness of your heart. It's tacky to keep score.

    Okay, I wanted to spend nothing since I don't support their marriage in the first place. So why am I a bad guy for having to go to a wedding that I don't support and buy a gift for them on top of that? Even by your reasoning for giving a gift, I wasn't necessarily wrong for not giving them a gift. 

    You know what I think? I think that for some reason, you're jealous of these two girls, and by association their mother.

    Not sure why - maybe it's their looks (you call them slutty but you haven't said a thing about what makes them slutty - and "slutty" is often used by people who are jealous of external attributes), maybe it's that they're likely close to your age and maybe are "ahead of you" in certain things (you didn't state, or I didn't read, who got married first; they're having babies and you're not (or if you are, you didn't say so)), or maybe it's just plain competitiveness in some other realm. It's weird, if you ask me, to adopt such an emotional reaction to people that are so far out of your life (I mean, really? Your FIL's new wife and her daughters? Please!!).

    Mature people react with happiness and joy when people who are close to them (or close to those who are close to them - they are close to your FIL, after all) do well. Immature people respond with pettiness, tit-for-tat, and try to justify it from today till Kingdom Come. You, unfortunately, are the latter.

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