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Re: Michelle Duggar is KU AGAIN!

  • I'm sorry, but this is just reckless. Her health and that of the baby MUST be put first. I know they trust God to take care of them but look at poor Josie. I know she survived but really, what struggles will she face in the future? They don't know, but I sure as heck wouldn't be trying for another after all that happened with her.

    It's their right to have as many as they want, but I think at a point it becomes more of a publicity stunt than anything else. And there's always my mom's favorite saying "Just because you can do something does not mean that you should do something." 

  • imageAF_EOD_wife:

    I'm sorry, but this is just reckless. Her health and that of the baby MUST be put first. I know they trust God to take care of them but look at poor Josie. I know she survived but really, what struggles will she face in the future? They don't know, but I sure as heck wouldn't be trying for another after all that happened with her.

    It's their right to have as many as they want, but I think at a point it becomes more of a publicity stunt than anything else. And there's always my mom's favorite saying "Just because you can do something does not mean that you should do something." 

    I truly don't think it's a publicity thing...I think they really are that faithful.

    I'd like to talk to the doctor who gave her the green light to have more kids.  Did that doctor go to school with Conrad Murray?

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  • I don't get the impression that they wait for a doctor to tell them that it's okay....I think two things:

    A)  No birth control = lots of babies, and

    B) They really are THAT faithful.

    I don't know the exact nature of Josie's health problems, besides that she was really premature.  Is there any reason to think that future babies will be affected in the same way?  

     

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    I don't get the impression that they wait for a doctor to tell them that it's okay....I think two things:

    A)  No birth control = lots of babies, and

    B) They really are THAT faithful.

    I don't know the exact nature of Josie's health problems, besides that she was really premature.  Is there any reason to think that future babies will be affected in the same way?  

     

    Michelle had severe pre-eclampsia with Josie.  I think you're more susceptible to it in future pregnancies once you've had it.

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  • imageSgt M's Wife:
    imageAvion22:

    I don't get the impression that they wait for a doctor to tell them that it's okay....I think two things:

    A)  No birth control = lots of babies, and

    B) They really are THAT faithful.

    I don't know the exact nature of Josie's health problems, besides that she was really premature.  Is there any reason to think that future babies will be affected in the same way?  

     

    Michelle had severe pre-eclampsia with Josie.  I think you're more susceptible to it in future pregnancies once you've had it.

    She also had it in her second pregnancy and then went on to have 17 more pregnancies without it before Josie.

    I'm undecided as to how I feel about it, not that my opinion matters. I'm all for having lots of kids, and theirs are clearly well taken care of and happy, and the parents don't ask for handouts from anyone. I understand concern for the health of mom and baby, but I also understand the "God will provide" mindset. 

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  • imageAF_EOD_wife:

    I'm sorry, but this is just reckless. Her health and that of the baby MUST be put first. I know they trust God to take care of them but look at poor Josie. I know she survived but really, what struggles will she face in the future? They don't know, but I sure as heck wouldn't be trying for another after all that happened with her.

    It's their right to have as many as they want, but I think at a point it becomes more of a publicity stunt than anything else. And there's always my mom's favorite saying "Just because you can do something does not mean that you should do something." 

    This is my favorite saying too. And I think in this case its entirely true. I was really hoping that since there hadn't been an announcement in so long that she had gone through the change of life and was done having babies. Josie still needs a lot of care and adding a pregnancy and another baby to the mix just isn't a good idea.  

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  • I do have problems with them having more kids because they cant possibly adequately provide enough emotional support for 20 kids. The oldest girls basically take over mothering the younger ones and that to me isn't right. I also think naming them all "J" names it ridiculous.

     

    I still can't believe that "Jim Bob" is his real name. 

  • I believe they're having more children because of their faith, not publicity.  I love the Duggars.  I couldn't handle 20 children, but to each their own. 

    I had pre-e (I spent a month on hosp bed rest b/c of it) and my OB's told me that I was at risk for having it with future pregnancies.  A recent study shows that waiting 2 years between the preeclamtic pregnancy and the next one *might* reduce your risk of having it again.  They also say its a "first" pregnancy disease.  Obv not in the Duggars case, since Josie was her 19th.  That was such an extreme case of it that I can't imagine they took getting pg again lightly.  Its pretty rare that pre-e results in a delivery at 26w.  Usually it hits later in the 3rd tri. 

    What scares me about this is her age and the fact that she JUST had a very very sick micro preemie not even two years ago.  The risks for this pregnancy must be astronomical. 

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  • imageshan87:

    I do have problems with them having more kids because they cant possibly adequately provide enough emotional support for 20 kids. The oldest girls basically take over mothering the younger ones and that to me isn't right. I also think naming them all "J" names it ridiculous.

     

    I still can't believe that "Jim Bob" is his real name. 

    That's their "culture".  In their eyes, this is prepping those girls for motherhood.  I don't get the impression that any of their kids are lacking in any category.  They all seem very well provided for, financially and emotionally.  



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    imageshan87:

    I do have problems with them having more kids because they cant possibly adequately provide enough emotional support for 20 kids. The oldest girls basically take over mothering the younger ones and that to me isn't right. I also think naming them all "J" names it ridiculous.

     

    I still can't believe that "Jim Bob" is his real name. 

    That's their "culture".  In their eyes, this is prepping those girls for motherhood.  I don't get the impression that any of their kids are lacking in any category.  They all seem very well provided for, financially and emotionally.  



    I agree.  And the girls do have other opportunities outside the home.  I think two of the girls are volunteer firefighters.

    And really...nitpicking over their names is ridiculous.  With 20 kids they still have better names than some of the more interesting names I've seen come across the bump from parents who only have one kid.

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  • imageSgt M's Wife:
    imageFancy3Face:
    imageshan87:

    I do have problems with them having more kids because they cant possibly adequately provide enough emotional support for 20 kids. The oldest girls basically take over mothering the younger ones and that to me isn't right. I also think naming them all "J" names it ridiculous.

     

    I still can't believe that "Jim Bob" is his real name. 

    That's their "culture".  In their eyes, this is prepping those girls for motherhood.  I don't get the impression that any of their kids are lacking in any category.  They all seem very well provided for, financially and emotionally.  



    I agree.  And the girls do have other opportunities outside the home.  I think two of the girls are volunteer firefighters.

    And really...nitpicking over their names is ridiculous.  With 20 kids they still have better names than some of the more interesting names I've seen come across the bump from parents who only have one kid.

    Thank you!  I had this typed out but I sounded like a b!tch so I backed off.  At least Jim Bob is a REAL name.  James Robert.  I babysat a family of 13 kids (still close with them) all names started with "J".  I don't see a problem here. 

     

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  • Don't they practice extreme discipline like blanket training?
  • I can think of plenty of people with one child that they can't support financially and emotionally. The number of children has nothing to do with it. While it isn't a choice I'd ever even get to make because of my IF, I'm disturbed by people who speak out so vehemently against women's reproductive rights.
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  • It kind of creeps me out a little.  They kind of remind me of pod people.  Her voice is just like she whispers all of the time and Jim Bob...wow! I would be worried that my uterus would fall out. 

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    Don't they practice extreme discipline like blanket training?

    I had to Google this...I didn't even know what it was.  From the Wikipedia article (I know...it's better than an encyclopedia) it doesn't sound horrific.  I think instituting quiet time is a good thing for a toddler.

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  • imageSgt M's Wife:

    imagePumpkin701:
    Don't they practice extreme discipline like blanket training?

    I had to Google this...I didn't even know what it was.  From the Wikipedia article (I know...it's better than an encyclopedia) it doesn't sound horrific.  I think instituting quiet time is a good thing for a toddler.

    True blanket training is really harsh and scary. I don't think they do that.
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  • imageSgt M's Wife:

    imagePumpkin701:
    Don't they practice extreme discipline like blanket training?

    I had to Google this...I didn't even know what it was.  From the Wikipedia article (I know...it's better than an encyclopedia) it doesn't sound horrific.  I think instituting quiet time is a good thing for a toddler.

    I first read about on P&CE. Here's the link to that thread. It's a few post down that someone talks about how they use blanket training and a book called "How to Train Up Your Child". 

    http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/58522177.aspx 

    ETA: Also, I know our state standards/laws say that an early childhood classroom (3-5yo) shouldn't have periods of instruction time where students have to sit still and listen longer than 15 minutes. Anything more than that is too much for them developmentally.

    So while quiet time is good for a toddler (1-3) I think the quiet time should be more along the lines of cuddling up and reading a book or doing finger plays or an art project instead of "Sit on this blanket and learn to not move until I tell you to"

    I don't really care enough about the Duggars than to read a few articles here and there, so I don't know if any of this is actually factual. Katie on that thread has enough links that makes it seem like they do though, which is why I'm against them having more kids. 

  • This thread makes me feel weird. You don't like what they name their kids? That's a ridiculous argument to make against them. And talking about her voice? Yeah, like she can change that. Confused

    They provide well for their family & the kids seem well adjusted and happy so what's the big deal? Aside from the health concerns of Michelle & any future babies I see no place to judge. 

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    This thread makes me feel weird. You don't like what they name their kids? That's a ridiculous argument to make against them. And talking about her voice? Yeah, like she can change that. Confused

    They provide well for their family & the kids seem well adjusted and happy so what's the big deal? Aside from the health concerns of Michelle & any future babies I see no place to judge. 

    ILY.  

     

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  • imageLace&Josh:

    This thread makes me feel weird. You don't like what they name their kids? That's a ridiculous argument to make against them. And talking about her voice? Yeah, like she can change that. Confused

    They provide well for their family & the kids seem well adjusted and happy so what's the big deal? Aside from the health concerns of Michelle & any future babies I see no place to judge. 

    I agree with you 100%!
  • imageSgt M's Wife:
    imageFancy3Face:
    imageshan87:

    I do have problems with them having more kids because they cant possibly adequately provide enough emotional support for 20 kids. The oldest girls basically take over mothering the younger ones and that to me isn't right. I also think naming them all "J" names it ridiculous.

     

    I still can't believe that "Jim Bob" is his real name. 

    That's their "culture".  In their eyes, this is prepping those girls for motherhood.  I don't get the impression that any of their kids are lacking in any category.  They all seem very well provided for, financially and emotionally.  



    I agree.  And the girls do have other opportunities outside the home.  I think two of the girls are volunteer firefighters.

    And really...nitpicking over their names is ridiculous.  With 20 kids they still have better names than some of the more interesting names I've seen come across the bump from parents who only have one kid.

    You are completely within your right to think my opinion is ridiculous. But I don't feel I am nitpicking. Nitpicking in my opinion would bring up their cleaning schedule or division on duties or some minor detail, there names starting with the same letter is one of their defining characteristics. I also wasn't picking on each individual name. I think it's silly and confusing to name 20+ children with names that start with the same letter. I do agree that there are worse names and individually I don't dislike any of their names, just all of them starting with J is silly.

  • imageshan87:
    imageSgt M's Wife:
    imageFancy3Face:
    imageshan87:

    I do have problems with them having more kids because they cant possibly adequately provide enough emotional support for 20 kids. The oldest girls basically take over mothering the younger ones and that to me isn't right. I also think naming them all "J" names it ridiculous.

     

    I still can't believe that "Jim Bob" is his real name. 

    That's their "culture".  In their eyes, this is prepping those girls for motherhood.  I don't get the impression that any of their kids are lacking in any category.  They all seem very well provided for, financially and emotionally.  



    I agree.  And the girls do have other opportunities outside the home.  I think two of the girls are volunteer firefighters.

    And really...nitpicking over their names is ridiculous.  With 20 kids they still have better names than some of the more interesting names I've seen come across the bump from parents who only have one kid.

    You are completely within your right to think my opinion is ridiculous. But I don't feel I am nitpicking. Nitpicking in my opinion would bring up their cleaning schedule or division on duties or some minor detail, there names starting with the same letter is one of their defining characteristics. I also wasn't picking on each individual name. I think it's silly and confusing to name 20+ children with names that start with the same letter. I do agree that there are worse names and individually I don't dislike any of their names, just all of them starting with J is silly.

    But why is it silly? I seriously don't understand your POV at all. Lets be honest, with 20 kids it's going to be confusing regardless of what letter their name starts with. 

    It always makes me chuckle when people bring up their cleaning & chores. Should they just sit around playing video games all day? My parents gave us all chores at a very young age and we knew we had to do them on the "schedule". (ex- Wednesday was dusting day) Is it only wrong because they have so many kids?

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  • imageFancy3Face:
    imageSgt M's Wife:
    imageFancy3Face:
    imageshan87:

    I do have problems with them having more kids because they cant possibly adequately provide enough emotional support for 20 kids. The oldest girls basically take over mothering the younger ones and that to me isn't right. I also think naming them all "J" names it ridiculous.

     

    I still can't believe that "Jim Bob" is his real name. 

    That's their "culture".  In their eyes, this is prepping those girls for motherhood.  I don't get the impression that any of their kids are lacking in any category.  They all seem very well provided for, financially and emotionally.  



    I agree.  And the girls do have other opportunities outside the home.  I think two of the girls are volunteer firefighters.

    And really...nitpicking over their names is ridiculous.  With 20 kids they still have better names than some of the more interesting names I've seen come across the bump from parents who only have one kid.

    Thank you!  I had this typed out but I sounded like a b!tch so I backed off.  At least Jim Bob is a REAL name.  James Robert.  I babysat a family of 13 kids (still close with them) all names started with "J".  I don't see a problem here. 

     

    I don't have a problem with the name thing either. Its fairly common to pick a letter and stick to it for names for your children. We have friends that have 5 kids that are all J's I think its cute. 

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  • Here's what I'm not completely understanding, most of you guys get all up in arms about someone getting married to the military and having babies before somewhere in the 25-35 age range, or claiming they're mature because they had to help take care of their siblings. 

    What's the difference in that and the older girls basically becoming moms to the younger kids? 

    They're still losing their childhood to take on responsibilities that shouldn't be theirs. Someone mentioned on another thread that the infants are moved into the older girls' room before they're even 1 so they could easily be seen as a mother figure by their sibling.

    I understand it's their culture to do this, I just don't get why you're okay with one and not the other. 

    Also, how is it fair to the older kids that they might lose their mom because she continues to go against the advice of her doctors with each new pregnancy? I think it's irresponsible for her to consider putting them through the emotional turmoil of losing their mother when she could prevent it

  • Meh. I'm not surprised.

    However, I do think it's kinda weird she will have children younger than her grandchildren.

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  • Have her doctors really come forth with statements that they've advised her not to carry pregnancies? I was the primary caregiver to my three younger siblings...it didn't make me more mature. It made me capable of changing and laundering cloth diapers, feeding, and nurturing (to the best of my ability) children. Thank God I didn't have kids in my early 20s. My self-esteem isn't based on whether my kid STTN at 2 months, because I've had other life experiences to aid in my becoming a well-rounded adult.
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  • Pumpkin, I was misunderstanding your argument about siblings. The difference between a military spouse and a Duggars sibling is that the military spouse has a say in the matter.
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  • She doesn't just not use birth control, she specifically said she weans early to get an earlier return to fertility.  They're in a race to have as many kids as possible, intentionally, not just as it happens naturally.

    They have money b/c of TLC and a tax free home, not b/c they're awesome.  

    And don't get me started on the school of the dining table, and how the older girls are spending time teaching the young ones instead of getting their own damn education.  They have no options without education. 

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    She doesn't just not use birth control, she specifically said she weans early to get an earlier return to fertility.  They're in a race to have as many kids as possible, intentionally, not just as it happens naturally.

    They have money b/c of TLC and a tax free home, not b/c they're awesome.  

    And don't get me started on the school of the dining table, and how the older girls are spending time teaching the young ones instead of getting their own damn education.  They have no options without education. 

    As far as the education goes, I'm was just watching an episode (marathon today for season finale tonight) and it shows all the college age kids who want to attending online college classes.

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