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Okay, here's where I get judgy.

People need to stop having kids with people they're not married to.

Yeah, yeah, I know, marriages go bad too, but it seems like there's a rash of outrageous f*ckery on these boards lately involving crap relationships with crap guys, and women who don't want to leave because they have kids with the guy, or crap marriages with crap guys that the women married because they already had kids with him and were stuck with him anyway.  And yeah, I know relationships do and should involve sex when they're serious, but I can't help but think that there's no way some of these couples knew each other well enough to risk procreating, they're so hideously mismatched. 

Go ahead and tell me why my pearls are out of style.

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  • Oh I judge.  And I like my pearls just fine.
  • I've got a triple strand, and I am totally judgy in this regard.
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  • I agree with you. At least with marriage there is some semblance of commitment and continuity.
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  • Agreed. My cousin had a baby with his girlfriend. They didn't want to get married because he didn't know if he wanted to make a committment.

    Helllllloooooooooooo buddy.

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  • Pearls are classic, kuus, baby. lol

    I've been that stupid. I've learned my lesson and I'm agreeing with you wholeheartedly.



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  • I couldn't agree with you more.  There are plenty of birth control methods out there.  Some people seem to try to have a baby before marriage - makes me crazy!
  • This is what I will NEVER understand...

    How is someone good enough to create an ENTIRE NEW HUMAN BEING with, but not good enough to have a piece of paper say that you're legally bound together?!

    Do people not get that children are a MUCH bigger (and more permanent) commitment than that piece of paper?!  If you aren't so sure about marrying that person, keep that shyt wrapped up.  I get that accidents happen, I totally do.  But I know full well that a lot of the fvckery Kuus alludes to wasn't an accident at all.  They just really think that kids are less of a big deal than marriage.

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  • I'm judgy on this as well. I cannot comprehend the thought process behind planning for a baby out of wedlock, like it's some sort of relationship milestone or test. Or he'll, like it's some sort of status symbol. Get a dog FFS.

    Getting married because of a pregnancy is also a dumb idea. I have a feeling that most of those relationships would have run their natural courses if a baby hadn't been introduced. But like you said, now theyve shoehorned themselves into a commitment that should have never been. 

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  • This is why I don't understand why men don't use birth control nothing against my own sex but anchor babies are just not cool. I don't even want kids IN wedlock let alone if I was single, it's supposed to be a special beautiful thing not something you to to get attention or commitment that is a little person, not a toy. I feel worst for the children.
  • I am judgy as well. I'm of the opinion that unless you're married you have no business having kids.

  • completely agree with what you are saying. my cousin had a kid with his girlfriend and then when the kid was born they broke up. my friend had a child with another guy yet has yet to finish the divorce papers from her ex husband. the ex husband was was a *** and she had two children with him almost off the bat when they got married. i'm sick of how people don't get married or don't think about who their with before they have kids.
  • I don't really think it's about marriage or not, because I know plenty of people who are in shitty ass marriages where they waited until they were married to have children, and I also know people who are not married but have children and are doing much better then the people who are married.  To me it's more about actually knowing the person that you are agreeing to make a new life with.  People who have 3rd, 4th, 5th ect marriages, or continually cheat on their husband/wife have put a damper on how I feel about how necessary the instution really is.  Clearly it isn't as respected or sacred to many people as they like to make it out to be. 
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  • Hell, I judge my friends brother who is on marriage 3 and he's only about 35. He has 3 kids w the first 2 wives and # 3 wants kids too. So- he'll have another. All w/in marriage, but all not in good judgement. 
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    This is what I will NEVER understand...

    How is someone good enough to create an ENTIRE NEW HUMAN BEING with, but not good enough to have a piece of paper say that you're legally bound together?!

    Do people not get that children are a MUCH bigger (and more permanent) commitment than that piece of paper?!  If you aren't so sure about marrying that person, keep that shyt wrapped up.  I get that accidents happen, I totally do.  But I know full well that a lot of the fvckery Kuus alludes to wasn't an accident at all.  They just really think that kids are less of a big deal than marriage.

    This, this, this! Especially the bold parts.

    And it seems to be an increasing epidemic of people getting knocked up outside of wedlock like it's no big deal.

    Granted, marriage isn't guaranteed. But you are so blind to reality if you think that having a kid with someone who you have not decided to have a real commitment with, is any more of a guarantee.

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  • Does common law count? DH and I are not legally married, we have been common law for the past 10 years. We have 2 kids together, and have been together almost 12 years, and no plans to get married. We believe that you can be committed to one and other without having a piece of paper. I can honestly say that our relationship is 100 times better than some of our married friends with or without kids.
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  • I definitely didn't do it on purpose and I wouldn't do it again.
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  • imagelildevil968:
    Does common law count? DH and I are not legally married, we have been common law for the past 10 years. We have 2 kids together, and have been together almost 12 years, and no plans to get married. We believe that you can be committed to one and other without having a piece of paper. I can honestly say that our relationship is 100 times better than some of our married friends with or without kids.
    Why don't you want to make it legal, though? Sure you can be committed without the legal recognition. But if you are already committed, why *not* get the legal recognition? This honestly puzzles me.
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  • imagetartaruga:
    imagelildevil968:
    Does common law count? DH and I are not legally married, we have been common law for the past 10 years. We have 2 kids together, and have been together almost 12 years, and no plans to get married. We believe that you can be committed to one and other without having a piece of paper. I can honestly say that our relationship is 100 times better than some of our married friends with or without kids.
    Why don't you want to make it legal, though? Sure you can be committed without the legal recognition. But if you are already committed, why *not* get the legal recognition? This honestly puzzles me.

    To us, all marriage is a piece of paper, and a ring. Now if someday our kids would feel better if we where married, then we might consider it, but as of right now it's not something we feel the need for.

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  • If you're in a committed relationship and the reason you don't want to marry is because you don't think the government should be involved in that aspect of your life (or something), that's an entirely different story.
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    imagetartaruga:
    imagelildevil968:
    Does common law count? DH and I are not legally married, we have been common law for the past 10 years. We have 2 kids together, and have been together almost 12 years, and no plans to get married. We believe that you can be committed to one and other without having a piece of paper. I can honestly say that our relationship is 100 times better than some of our married friends with or without kids.
    Why don't you want to make it legal, though? Sure you can be committed without the legal recognition. But if you are already committed, why *not* get the legal recognition? This honestly puzzles me.

    To us, all marriage is a piece of paper, and a ring. Now if someday our kids would feel better if we where married, then we might consider it, but as of right now it's not something we feel the need for.

    I admit I still find this very strange. But that might be because I know a number of gay couples who are fighting very hard for the right to gain the numerous legal and financial benefits of that 'piece of paper.'
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  • imageBowiesInSpace:

    I'm judgy on this as well. I cannot comprehend the thought process behind planning for a baby out of wedlock, like it's some sort of relationship milestone or test. Or he'll, like it's some sort of status symbol. Get a dog FFS.

    You know, I really hate that people do this, too. Dogs are not pretend babies. FFS  a dog might live to be 20, whereas with a kid you're only legally obligated to take care of them till they're 18.

  • imagelildevil968:

    imagetartaruga:
    imagelildevil968:
    Does common law count? DH and I are not legally married, we have been common law for the past 10 years. We have 2 kids together, and have been together almost 12 years, and no plans to get married. We believe that you can be committed to one and other without having a piece of paper. I can honestly say that our relationship is 100 times better than some of our married friends with or without kids.
    Why don't you want to make it legal, though? Sure you can be committed without the legal recognition. But if you are already committed, why *not* get the legal recognition? This honestly puzzles me.

    To us, all marriage is a piece of paper, and a ring. Now if someday our kids would feel better if we where married, then we might consider it, but as of right now it's not something we feel the need for.

     

    Yeah, no, I'm judging you, too.  All of this is stupid.  If it doesn't mean much to you one way or another, why are you avoiding it, when the reality is that it would offer you legal protection in times of crisis that you wouldn't have otherwise?

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  • I know this varies by jurisdiction, but isn't common law marriage generally recognized as legally binding- as in, you would have to go through divorce proceedings if you were to split up?  I guess I don't understand why you would hold yourself out as being common-law married while also stating you don't need recognition from the government in order to be committed to each other.  But I live in a state that doesn't recognize common law marriage, so maybe I don't understand how it works.

    Do common law couples have the same rights and benefits as couples whose marriages are solemnized, for things like inheritance, social security benefits, and hospital visitation?  How do you file your taxes?  Sorry- I know this is getting away from the topic at hand.

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    imagelildevil968:

    imagetartaruga:
    imagelildevil968:
    Does common law count? DH and I are not legally married, we have been common law for the past 10 years. We have 2 kids together, and have been together almost 12 years, and no plans to get married. We believe that you can be committed to one and other without having a piece of paper. I can honestly say that our relationship is 100 times better than some of our married friends with or without kids.
    Why don't you want to make it legal, though? Sure you can be committed without the legal recognition. But if you are already committed, why *not* get the legal recognition? This honestly puzzles me.

    To us, all marriage is a piece of paper, and a ring. Now if someday our kids would feel better if we where married, then we might consider it, but as of right now it's not something we feel the need for.

     

    Yeah, no, I'm judging you, too.  All of this is stupid.  If it doesn't mean much to you one way or another, why are you avoiding it, when the reality is that it would offer you legal protection in times of crisis that you wouldn't have otherwise?

     

     Where I live, if you are common law then you have all the same rights as someone that is married. My husband and I lived together for nearly five years before we got married (no kids) and we filed taxes together, were on each other's benefits, was listed as each other's beneficiaries and next of kin, etc ? We only got married because it was important to my husband (throw back to being raised in a religious household) while I couldn't have cared less.

     I get that it is probally different depending on where you live, but in a lot of places, common law and married are not really any different. 

    I think that it should be more important  to make sure that you really know the person that you are having kids with and that you know they are responsible enough to take care of a child BEFORE you start having kids. That's where a lot of problems (or at least the ones I've seen) come from. 

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    imagelildevil968:

    imagetartaruga:
    imagelildevil968:
    Does common law count? DH and I are not legally married, we have been common law for the past 10 years. We have 2 kids together, and have been together almost 12 years, and no plans to get married. We believe that you can be committed to one and other without having a piece of paper. I can honestly say that our relationship is 100 times better than some of our married friends with or without kids.
    Why don't you want to make it legal, though? Sure you can be committed without the legal recognition. But if you are already committed, why *not* get the legal recognition? This honestly puzzles me.

    To us, all marriage is a piece of paper, and a ring. Now if someday our kids would feel better if we where married, then we might consider it, but as of right now it's not something we feel the need for.

     

    Yeah, no, I'm judging you, too.  All of this is stupid.  If it doesn't mean much to you one way or another, why are you avoiding it, when the reality is that it would offer you legal protection in times of crisis that you wouldn't have otherwise?

     

     Where I live, if you are common law then you have all the same rights as someone that is married. My husband and I lived together for nearly five years before we got married (no kids) and we filed taxes together, were on each other's benefits, was listed as each other's beneficiaries and next of kin, etc ? We only got married because it was important to my husband (throw back to being raised in a religious household) while I couldn't have cared less.

     I get that it is probally different depending on where you live, but in a lot of places, common law and married are not really any different. 

    I think that it should be more important  to make sure that you really know the person that you are having kids with and that you know they are responsible enough to take care of a child BEFORE you start having kids. That's where a lot of problems (or at least the ones I've seen) come from. 

    common law marriage only exists in a few states; it's not avaible in most states. It doesn't just automatically 'happen' either, just because you're living together. You have to actually put yourself out as husband and wife to the public with the intent of being married right now. Saying "We're not married and have no intention of ever marrying because we think marriage sucks" would negate any argument that you are common law married, even if you lived together for fifty years in a state that recognized common law marriage.

     

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    imagebob.melissa:
    Where I live, if you are common law then you have all the same rights as someone that is married. My husband and I lived together for nearly five years before we got married (no kids) and we filed taxes together, were on each other's benefits, was listed as each other's beneficiaries and next of kin, etc ? We only got married because it was important to my husband (throw back to being raised in a religious household) while I couldn't have cared less.

     I get that it is probally different depending on where you live, but in a lot of places, common law and married are not really any different. 

    I think that it should be more important  to make sure that you really know the person that you are having kids with and that you know they are responsible enough to take care of a child BEFORE you start having kids. That's where a lot of problems (or at least the ones I've seen) come from. 

    common law marriage only exists in a few states; it's not avaible in most states. It doesn't just automatically 'happen' either, just because you're living together. You have to actually put yourself out as husband and wife to the public with the intent of being married right now. Saying "We're not married and have no intention of ever marrying because we think marriage sucks" would negate any argument that you are common law married, even if you lived together for fifty years in a state that recognized common law marriage.

    Thanks- that clears things up a bit.  Or muddies the waters more-I'm not sure which.

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    I know this varies by jurisdiction, but isn't common law marriage generally recognized as legally binding- as in, you would have to go through divorce proceedings if you were to split up?  I guess I don't understand why you would hold yourself out as being common-law married while also stating you don't need recognition from the government in order to be committed to each other.  But I live in a state that doesn't recognize common law marriage, so maybe I don't understand how it works.

    Do common law couples have the same rights and benefits as couples whose marriages are solemnized, for things like inheritance, social security benefits, and hospital visitation?  How do you file your taxes?  Sorry- I know this is getting away from the topic at hand.

    The state of Colorado recognizes Common Law. In fact if you live together for more than 3 months, it can be recognized as Common Law. If we where to split up we would have to file for divorce. Yes we have the same benefits as married couples. We file joint taxes, he is on my health insurance, and we are each others beneficiaries.

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