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Re: speaking of vaccines
I trust science. Not quacks.
The preponderance of the evidence based on the vaccinations of millions of people over decades and the virtual eradication of many life threatening diseases in developed nations AND the existence of those diseases in 3rd world countries with low vax rates are enough to show me that the benefits of vax'ing outweigh the risks.
There is no research that you could have done that would trump the existence of these science based facts.
Well thank God we are allowed different options and opinions.
Again, I can't even with the idea that all doctors are wrong and/or out to make a buck with the evil pharma companies.
I mean, if you want to talk about a doctor who sells his soul for a buck, we can have a great conversation about Dr. Sears. And in fact, Sears' own literature basically says you should delay, but sssh don't let the word get out to other parents so their kids can protect yours.
It is your option -- but to pretend it isn't an option that has an impact on everyone is ridiculous.
I will say, I get the hysteria. When something horrible and inexplicable happens to your kid, you do grasp at straws looking for a reason -- irrational as it may be.
This is such a hot button topic. Being a parent is hard and you're forced with making so many different decisions where you hope you're making the right one for your child and your family. Unfortunately, this is a decision that also affects people outside of your family unit.
It scares me that not vaccinating has become popular. My Great grandmother lost four children before the age of three. Four kids. They all died from various illnesses that we now have vaccines for. I feel blessed that we now have the scientific advancements to fight these diseases with vaccines and I can't understand why anyone would want to take that risk.
Yes, it's true that the incidences of these illnesses are far lower than they were of generations past but it's because we're vaccinated from them not because they magically disappeared. If people keep relying on the immunity of others to prevent them from getting these diseases instead of vaccinating we're eventually going to have the balance shift and the illness will be back.
Just as much as it's scary to think that your child could possibly get autism from a vaccine, it's even scarier to think your child could die because someone else's child exposed yours to an illness that could have been prevented.
This topic makes me crazy.
Your ignorance, and I'm talking to you mzowhatever, is so dangerous and irresponsible it scares me.
Because you're not the only one who feels this way (and it's a feeling, not scientific fact).
And therefore your child's health and safety will be compromised. I think it's a form of abuse.
And I'm not just concerned for your child's safety but for that elderly person or the cancer patient you pass in the supermarket with compromised immunities that your ancient-disease-carrying child can infect unknowingly.
Dr. Aunt Betty hasn't seen the measels becuase we've vaccinated for decades. And you haven't experienced or understood the devastation these terminal viruses can wreak.
The US in 2011 is on track to double - DOUBLE - the number measels cases it saw just two years ago. More than half of those patients were children of parents who rejected the vaccine. Whopping cough is making a strong comeback. This is not the chickenpox of our youth. It's deadly.
There are third world countries that would die, literally die, to have the accessibility to medical care and prevention that the US has. Your anti-government paranoia is ridiculous. Medical professionals and scientific research are making these recommendations, not Joe Biden.
Perhaps this is just another form of survival of the fittest. The most rational will vaccinate and carry only.
Hold the phone! I never said that my kid didn't have vaccines, I don't know why because I'm using a different vaccination schedule I have become a social pariah.
We have no plans to do pox vaccine, I would rather him get it on his own. But if something changes it is something we would entertain. My husband's family is apparently immune to it no one on his side of the family has gotten it.
Regarding the MMR vax we have to have those before the dude goes to school. We've just decided to delay them per our doctor's recommendation. Since he weaned at 15 months I was concerned about his immunity and especially because of the measles out break I had been hearing about in Brooklyn. We go to NYC with some regularity and we have friends in Brooklyn that stay with us about once a month. My doctor told me that those cases were isolated to specific communities and unless our friends were in those specific communities we had very little chance of contracting anything. ALSO he stated that most well cared for children do not die of the measles.
And yeah I'm a little paranoid about doctors employed by the government making blanket decisions. And if you have any doubt let's look at how much arsenic is being allowed in grape and apple juice. Of course that report just came out this week, but the facts are startling.
Honest question -- why does your pedi recommend delaying? And what makes his/her recommendation superior to any other untrustworthy medical professional?
To your other point -- what doctor pushes juice for kids? None I have ever encountered.
My doctor is anti-vax all together. I have had to make a case for every shot he's gotten.
Nothing, he's just a man, whom I trust. We have a good relationship and when I was nursing and sick he treated Brooks and I as one unit. Unlike my previous doctor who prescribed me medication that was not approved while nursing AFTER I told him twice I was nursing. And not to pick on anyone, but a pp mentioned that they just went with whatever their doctor recommended, why is that any different?
I don't think any doctor's push juice. I was using to prove the point that the FDA doesn't always give the best advice. They are in fact just humans, who work for politicians, politicians with an agenda. Oh jesus, now I sound like my Grandfather.
I guess I'm just not following your doctor's logic or yours. If you've vaccinated him for most everything else, why not measles, esp if there have been outbreaks? Does that mean he also didn't get the vax for mumps and rubella? And if you've had to fight to even get him vax'd at all, why not just switch earlier? There are plenty of other docs that are good at supporting breastfeeding.
And not to harp, but ::harp harp:: this suggest that breastmilk is an appropriate substitute for immunizations. Breastmilk is not a vaccine. Yes, there's evidence that breast milk helps boost immunity against common viruses and breastfed babies are less likely to have allergies. But breastfeeding does not offer much protection against catching measles.
You really need to reevaluate where you get your information.
Before any of you can criticize a mother for simply DELAYING vaccines, do your own research instead of blindly trusting those around you who just tell you what to do. Whether you like their decision or not, mother's who choose an alternate vaccine schedule do so because they are researched. It's very easy to just go along with what your doctor says but it's impossible for every doctor to have knowledge about every recent research study and the effects of aluminum on a baby's brain or how an immature immune system simply cannot handle 4 vaccines at all once. These studies are released daily and it's ever changing. The CDC created their vaccine schedule, what, like a billion years ago?? And how much has it really changed? Not that much. With everything that we know now, it's wise to do your own research before just preaching what your well meaning doctor has told you.
You all can get off of your soap box and leave mzovoce alone. She's doing what she feels is right for her child. And you know who is at risk? Not YOUR child. Her child. He won't be carrying around measles and putting your child at risk without actually getting the disease himself. Unvaccinated kids aren't some evil super heroes that are just spreading disease.
The amish don't vaccinate at all. So I would assume you'll also never take your child to the farmer's market. Those cancer patients better RUN from those evil amish too.
You should all remember that we're all just moms just trying to do the best thing for our child. You should respect that. And your kid will be just fine from the evil delayed vaccinated child.
An AE. Please.
What part of my posts here appear not researched and "blindly-followed"? And is this site not one big soapbox? The CDC makes revisions frequently. I believe in the system in place and the research that supports it (and the research that doesn't prove alternative theories in support of delayed/not vaccinating). You make jokes but it's very serious.
Whoa whoa wait. Mz is my friend IRL i was staying out of this because im pro vax etc. but I doubt this is an AE however mz is an incrediblely nice and passionate person and I wouldn't doubt she has a friend sticking up for her. But not an AE.
There's nothing simple about delaying vaccines. It's dangerous, plain and simple.
And how do you know that there aren't immune compromised children among this group of kids? Children who are unable to get vaccines for real reasons including allergies and severe illness depend on everyone else getting immunized. They and their parents depend on the decisions I make to immunize my baby, my husband, and myself b/c by doing so, I am helping protect their child.
To me, there is literally no research that a parent can do that is legitimate, peer reviewed, and science based that supports non vaccination OR delayed vaccination of a healthy child. Talking informally to doctors, doing some reading on the internets, or reading books by doctors that are not immunologists or epidemiologists is not real research. It's light reading.
And I don't buy the 'we're all just moms' line. This is not choosing what kind of diaper to use. It's not a joke. I personally agree with Shannon who chose not to take her kid around a friend's unvaccinated baby. Just b/c a baby has a shot doesn't mean he's immune right away - esp if it's a shot in which you have to have multiple doses. Some babies are too young to get their shots - wouldn't knowingly send my kid around them either.
I don't need to respect what I consider poor decisions. And I certainly don't need to respect someone who doesn't even have the balls to discuss this under their real sn.
Eh, I am confident that it is an AE of a local poster, just not mzvocoezove.
pls tell me where " you heard about this mom bashing". Please.
I didn't say I thought it was mz..etc.
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