House R's push bullschitte bill to ban abortion based on race / sex of fetus

Unpossible · December 2011

nitaw:
Heather R:
msmerymac:

It's just that black people decide that they don't actually want black babies.

Wait, are you saying black people have black babies?

Well you know actually, we have speshul technology that allows us to determine the skin color of the fetus inutero. We try to only birth babies that are light enough to pass for white.

I think they're clear in utero. I want one of those clear babies. It's like the crystal pepsi of modern times.

Stephiehun · December 2011

ElyseKeaton:
Pamela05:
Some of you are real b!tches and want to know why Rs are "afraid" to respond to some of the more liberal posts. The personal attacks on me and desire to take everything I say in the absolute worst way are ridiculous.
Sorry, I had to go actually do some work so I couldn't respond back right away.
Please.
Pamela, if you want to be given the benefit of the doubt then perhaps you should attempt not to make so many sincere wackjob extremist right-wing comments ALL THE DAMN TIME, thereby making an assumption that this was another one extreamly plausible.
It wasn't a personal attack either, dude. IT WAS A FACT.

I agree. If some of the other more conservative posters has responded with that, I would have snickered. I assumed you were serious.

Unpossible · December 2011

Pamela05:
msmerymac:
Pamela05:
MeredithE:

I must have read that wrong.........Tell me this isn't a proposal in order to prevent minorities from having abortions.

I actually would see it more as preventing married white woman who gets knocked up by darker skinned man who is not her husband from getting an abortion to get rid of the evidence.

You're making an awful lot of assumptions.

What if it was an unmarried white woman who was in a relationship and cheating on her white partner?

What if it was a black woman and a white man?

What if it was a couple in a consensual interracial relationship who, like many, many people, simply decided they were not ready and willing to deal with a pregnancy? Would these people be looked it with suspicion simply because of their race and their desire to obtain an abortion? If the woman goes to the clinic by herself will she be asked the race of the father?

And finally, how is it any of the federal government's business that any of these scenarios occur or what someone's decision is in these matters?

Oh dear lord. I didn't say I agreed with it in any shape or form or that it was even plausible to know why a woman was choosing the abortion unless she outright said "I want to abort my baby because it's a black boy. I wanted a white girl so I want a do over." I just didn't understand the jumping to it's trying to keep black women specifically from having abortions. It says it to prevent abortions that are chosen based on race - how many black women are trying to abort their black baby because it's black?

Deeper meanings.

NaturalBlond · December 2011

Errrm, I have never seen Pamela be either sarcastic or TIC on here. HAB she is not.

Pamela05 · December 2011

NaturalBlond:
Errrm, I have never seen Pamela be either sarcastic or TIC on here. HAB she is not.

Just because you haven't interpreted it that way doesn't mean I haven't been.

meshaliu · December 2011

Unpossible:
I think they're clear in utero. I want one of those clear babies. It's like the crystal pepsi of modern times

Love

Sibil · December 2011

This is all I have to say about the bill

(how 'bout this?)

Pamela, you offered no condemnation of this, just what you thought might be a plausible explanation. That you're not outraged is bad enough. That you think a strawman maury pauvich explanation exists, even if you disagree with it, and you're not ranting against it, then you really can't blame us for thinking you're giving it tacit approval.

2Vermont · December 2011

My pro-life asss needs a recap pronto, pretty please, because I've got to make dinner in 15 minutes.

DruidPrincess · December 2011

Sibil:
This is all I have to say about the bill
Pamela, you offered no condemnation of this, just what you thought might be a plausible explanation. That you're not outraged is bad enough. That you think a strawman maury pauvich explanation exists, even if you disagree with it, and you're not ranting against it, then you really can't blame us for thinking you're giving it tacit approval.

Meh, I'm going to disagree with this. I know Pamela gets on the last nerve of lots of people on here, and I'll even submit that I may be naive or ignorant of her general tendencies... but I just didn't go there. I also would not tend to assume someone isn't outraged or even silently rolling their eyes behind their keyboard at a story on here just because they don't rant about it via typed text.

But that's me. Is it a hateful bill - not just for the sheer time-suckage when they could be focusing on other issues, but also for the ramifications and insinuations lying behind it? Absolutely. But damn, I'm a little flummoxed at people stomping on P's head for not using lots of !!!!!!1111ELEVEN!!!1! in her post.

::shrugs::

Sibil · December 2011

DP, I think it's b/c it would occur to most people to think that, hey, there's a reasonable explanation for this, and it's a white hussy trying not to get caught cheating. I just don't understand how someone's brain goes there. I guess I shouldn't have expected outrage, but I'd at least expect a criticism of the waste of time. That wasn't there, just a defense.

Pamela05 · December 2011

Sibil:
DP, I think it's b/c it would occur to most people to think that, hey, there's a reasonable explanation for this, and it's a white hussy trying not to get caught cheating. I just don't understand how someone's brain goes there. I guess I shouldn't have expected outrage, but I'd at least expect a criticism of the waste of time. That wasn't there, just a defense.

I did come back and say I didn't agree with it at all. My point though wasn't about if the bill did or didn't have any merit. It's that people immediately jumped to racism and it's targeting minorities.

mominatrix · December 2011

Pamela05:
Sibil:
DP, I think it's b/c it would occur to most people to think that, hey, there's a reasonable explanation for this, and it's a white hussy trying not to get caught cheating. I just don't understand how someone's brain goes there. I guess I shouldn't have expected outrage, but I'd at least expect a criticism of the waste of time. That wasn't there, just a defense.
I did come back and say I didn't agree with it at all. My point though wasn't about if the bill did or didn't have any merit. It's that people immediately jumped to racism and it's targeting minorities.

IMHO, the name of the bill makes it seem like its authors are racist and sexist, yes.

It strikes this mocking tone... you might not think so, but when the bill is explicitly about race, and its underpinnings are so (to put it nicely) flimsy, it's hard for me not to think that there's more than a touch of racism involved.

2Vermont · December 2011

DruidPrincess:
Sibil:

This is all I have to say about the bill

Pamela, you offered no condemnation of this, just what you thought might be a plausible explanation. That you're not outraged is bad enough. That you think a strawman maury pauvich explanation exists, even if you disagree with it, and you're not ranting against it, then you really can't blame us for thinking you're giving it tacit approval.

Meh, I'm going to disagree with this. I know Pamela gets on the last nerve of lots of people on here, and I'll even submit that I may be naive or ignorant of her general tendencies... but I just didn't go there. I also would not tend to assume someone isn't outraged or even silently rolling their eyes behind their keyboard at a story on here just because they don't rant about it via typed text.

But that's me. Is it a hateful bill - not just for the sheer time-suckage when they could be focusing on other issues, but also for the ramifications and insinuations lying behind it? Absolutely. But damn, I'm a little flummoxed at people stomping on P's head for not using lots of !!!!!!1111ELEVEN!!!1! in her post.

::shrugs::

Thanks for the bolded. It's a good thing I entered this thread so I can say that the bill does seem ludicrous. Because, you know if I didn't people would assume I agreed with it.

ElyseKeaton · December 2011

Pamela05:
Sibil:
DP, I think it's b/c it would occur to most people to think that, hey, there's a reasonable explanation for this, and it's a white hussy trying not to get caught cheating. I just don't understand how someone's brain goes there. I guess I shouldn't have expected outrage, but I'd at least expect a criticism of the waste of time. That wasn't there, just a defense.
I did come back and say I didn't agree with it at all. My point though wasn't about if the bill did or didn't have any merit. It's that people immediately jumped to racism and it's targeting minorities.

Protip: It's still racist and minority targeting if it's about keeping white women from aborting fatherless oreos.

YWIA.

Pamela05 · December 2011

swimbikepuke:

Pamela05:
Sibil:
DP, I think it's b/c it would occur to most people to think that, hey, there's a reasonable explanation for this, and it's a white hussy trying not to get caught cheating. I just don't understand how someone's brain goes there. I guess I shouldn't have expected outrage, but I'd at least expect a criticism of the waste of time. That wasn't there, just a defense.
I did come back and say I didn't agree with it at all. My point though wasn't about if the bill did or didn't have any merit. It's that people immediately jumped to racism and it's targeting minorities.
'
Serious question:

If it's targeting white women who have black babies out of wedlock, how is it still not targeting minorities. Presumably, women have white babies out of wedlock, too. Or so my white trash family would seem to indicate.

Ok, fine, it's targeting minority babies. But that's not what the original lamenting was about.

The initial angry comment was about it being designed to keep minority women from having abortions. I posed a situation that it could have been written about which had nothing to do with minority women having abortions.

ElyseKeaton · December 2011

Pamela05:
swimbikepuke:

Pamela05:
Sibil:
DP, I think it's b/c it would occur to most people to think that, hey, there's a reasonable explanation for this, and it's a white hussy trying not to get caught cheating. I just don't understand how someone's brain goes there. I guess I shouldn't have expected outrage, but I'd at least expect a criticism of the waste of time. That wasn't there, just a defense.
I did come back and say I didn't agree with it at all. My point though wasn't about if the bill did or didn't have any merit. It's that people immediately jumped to racism and it's targeting minorities.
'
Serious question:

If it's targeting white women who have black babies out of wedlock, how is it still not targeting minorities. Presumably, women have white babies out of wedlock, too. Or so my white trash family would seem to indicate.

Ok, fine, it's targeting minority babies. But that's not what the original lamenting was about.
The initial angry comment was about it being designed to keep minority women from having abortions. I posed a situation that it could have been written about which had nothing to do with minority women having abortions.

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!

Pamela05 · December 2011

ElyseKeaton:

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!

Men are having abortions? I thought abortions was a women's rights issue?

ElyseKeaton · December 2011

Pamela05:
ElyseKeaton:

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!
Men are having abortions? I thought abortions was a women's rights issue?

Maybe to the man-hating dirty hippie feminazis, but In my world it's a people's rights and privacy issue.

Isalea · December 2011

Lucille Bluth:
copzgirl:
As if Newt couldn't convince us on his own he enlisted some extras just in case.
SMFH
If he doesn't stop abortions, how else will he get his child janitor army?

This did it for me. My stomach hurts from laughing so hard.

Dylanite · December 2011

ElyseKeaton:

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!

It's funny because it's true!

msmerymac · December 2011

Pamela05:
ElyseKeaton:

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!

Men are having abortions? I thought abortions was a women's rights issue?

Yes, abortion never affects men and they should have no opinion or input when it comes to those lady issues. Hmm

mrsbecky07 · December 2011

Ron Swanson:
jenniloveselvis:

wawajeanne:

Am I the only one who read Pamela's post as being kinda TIC? Like..."no actually, this this the ridiculously pointless and offensive goal of this bill"?

Try reading her post as if say...HAB posted it. Somebody good and snarky. See what I'm getting at?

my point being that I don't think Pamela actually thinks that white woman trying to abort their mixed race bastard babies is a) common or b) something that should actually be legislated. But the intent of this assbackwards bill could be interpreted as such. Which is assinine. (the bill, not pamela)

But hey, I'm apparently a big giver of benefit of the doubt.

In other news - everybody else in this thread is cracking me up. the NT and CSV tests in particular.

I too thought she was being sarcastic, like the rest of us.

Careful now...you might be called a martyr with a large cross to bear. (I also read her thread as tic, but I know many have a bad taste in their mouth for her so I can see why others might read it that way with their predisposition).

ha, i freely admit that Pamela drives me up the wall sometimes but even I took her comment as being relatively TIC and I laughed bc it seemed to ante-bellum south to me. didnt that happen in North and South? someone got an abortion from the witch doctor in the swamp. where's LHC? she will confirm.

anyway, it also goes to what Momi said very early on - it will depend a great deal on how the bill is written (whether it would restrict a black womann's access to abortion.)

now to finish the rest of this hilarious thread. i've stayed away from it all day bc i thought it was going to be some huge deep thread on abortion. i didnt realize everyone would be in their top form for it.

TefLepOM · December 2011

msmerymac:
Pamela05:
ElyseKeaton:

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!

Men are having abortions? I thought abortions was a women's rights issue?

Yes, abortion never affects men and they should have no opinion or input when it comes to those lady issues.

not saying this is the case but I sweat this was an argument in another epic abortion thread. She's been around long enough to probably remember this (though I think it was just a few months ago).

msmerymac · December 2011

mrsbecky07:
ha, i freely admit that Pamela drives me up the wall sometimes but even I took her comment as being relatively TIC and I laughed bc it seemed to ante-bellum south to me. didnt that happen in North and South? someone got an abortion from the witch doctor in the swamp. where's LHC? she will confirm.

Confirmed. It was Ashton Main, played by Terri Garber in the epic 80s mini series version. Though I haven't read John Jakes since I was 13 or 14... but I DO have the entire mini series with all its Patrick Swayze goodness on DVD.

msmerymac · December 2011

TefLepOM:
msmerymac:
Pamela05:
ElyseKeaton:

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!

Men are having abortions? I thought abortions was a women's rights issue?

Yes, abortion never affects men and they should have no opinion or input when it comes to those lady issues.

not saying this is the case but I sweat this was an argument in another epic abortion thread. She's been around long enough to probably remember this (though I think it was just a few months ago).

It's quite possible she's being TIC again. So there's that.

But there's also a difference between saying men should have a say over individual abortions (they should be able to stop someone from aborting their own child because that's so sad!!!eleventy!!!! They should get an equal say as the mother!) and men having a vested interest in women's rights. Kind of like I wouldn't have married a man who wasn't a feminist, because he understands that women's rights are intricately related to human rights. KWIM?

mominatrix · December 2011

TefLepOM:
not saying this is the case but I sweat this was an argument in another epic abortion thread. She's been around long enough to probably remember this (though I think it was just a few months ago).

It wouldn't be a perfect thread without a Tef "damn you autocorrect" post!

my day = complete!

2Vermont · December 2011

Pamela05:
ElyseKeaton:

It's Fuggin PAMELA. I'll ride that assumption train to the depot.

Some of you are real b!tches and want to know why Rs are "afraid" to respond to some of the more liberal posts. The personal attacks on me and desire to take everything I say in the absolute worst way are ridiculous.
Sorry, I had to go actually do some work so I couldn't respond back right away.

If it means anything Pamela, I do feel for you. I can see how what you said could have been taken different ways.

I guess you'll just have to learn to be much more careful with your wording. It might help to use the ;-).

;-)

TefLepOM · December 2011

mominatrix:
TefLepOM:
not saying this is the case but I sweat this was an argument in another epic abortion thread. She's been around long enough to probably remember this (though I think it was just a few months ago).
It wouldn't be a perfect thread without a Tef "damn you autocorrect" post!
my day = complete!

psh, that is just one misspell. Not even a good quote mominatrix. Sheesh Stick out tongue

2Vermont · December 2011

msmerymac:
mrsbecky07:
ha, i freely admit that Pamela drives me up the wall sometimes but even I took her comment as being relatively TIC and I laughed bc it seemed to ante-bellum south to me. didnt that happen in North and South? someone got an abortion from the witch doctor in the swamp. where's LHC? she will confirm.

Confirmed. It was Ashton Main, played by Terri Garber in the epic 80s mini series version. Though I haven't read John Jakes since I was 13 or 14... but I DO have the entire mini series with all its Patrick Swayze goodness on DVD.

See, now I am much more partial to James Read.

Love the miniseries.

TefLepOM · December 2011

msmerymac:
TefLepOM:
msmerymac:
Pamela05:
ElyseKeaton:

It also still targets minority men, and 3/5th is greater than 0!

Men are having abortions? I thought abortions was a women's rights issue?

Yes, abortion never affects men and they should have no opinion or input when it comes to those lady issues.

not saying this is the case but I sweat this was an argument in another epic abortion thread. She's been around long enough to probably remember this (though I think it was just a few months ago).

It's quite possible she's being TIC again. So there's that.

But there's also a difference between saying men should have a say over individual abortions (they should be able to stop someone from aborting their own child because that's so sad!!!eleventy!!!! They should get an equal say as the mother!) and men having a vested interest in women's rights. Kind of like I wouldn't have married a man who wasn't a feminist, because he understands that women's rights are intricately related to human rights. KWIM?

that is not what I meant...the thread I referenced was not being tic.

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