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Komen (I may lose my lib card for this)

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Re: Komen (I may lose my lib card for this)

  • imagescienarasucka:

    This articles stated what I had heard yesterday -- that funding was being cut off because PP was "under investigation".  "Efficiency" was never brought up.

    Backpedal all you want SGK -- you have shown your true colors. 

  • On a tangent, it is so hard for me to determine the national impact of this on SGK. Being a 40 year old woman with a terminal degree living in the bay area, I have no idea if the outrage I hear and read is mainly because of my social circle and physical location or if it is more widespread. If the reputational impact is mainly (not solely) limited to responses by 30 - 40 year old women with college degrees living in liberal locations, is that enough of a backlash to have a significant effect?
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  • I wonder the same thing as you, Mod.  In my head, this is completely blowing up in SGK's face and they'll be changing their tune by next week even though they'll never fully recover from the damage it's going to do.  PP will get a nice big boost in the meantime as people flock to donate to them instead.  But then I remember the rest of the country does not necessarily feel the same as I do (and the people I talk with regularly).  It's nice being in my liberal hippie bubble, but it makes it hard to gauge things like this.
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  • imagemodb1rd:
    On a tangent, it is so hard for me to determine the national impact of this on SGK. Being a 40 year old woman with a terminal degree living in the bay area, I have no idea if the outrage I hear and read is mainly because of my social circle and physical location or if it is more widespread. If the reputational impact is mainly (not solely) limited to responses by 30 - 40 year old women with college degrees living in liberal locations, is that enough of a backlash to have a significant effect?

    The FB page indicates that it's fairly widespread, but it's hard to tell.

    I think their big problem is that it taints their rep. Even if people don't get outraged about this, I suspect their might be longer term "hmmm, I think I heard something bad about them so I won't donate" kind of effect.

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  • I don't know, my mom is a Republican in rural Arkansas and she's PISSED.

    I think it will be widespread.  But I also think the issue for them is that it's way easier to lose a donor than gain a donor.  I've seen a lot of people online saying they're going to stop donating and donate to PP.  And not as many saying they'll now be donating to SGK.


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  • My FB newsfeed indicates that Okies are ticked, albeit that is limited to my more liberal acquaintances here thus far. 
  • imageEssBe:

    I don't know, my mom is a Republican in rural Arkansas and she's PISSED.

    I think it will be widespread.  But I also think the issue for them is that it's way easier to lose a donor than gain a donor.  I've seen a lot of people online saying they're going to stop donating and donate to PP.  And not as many saying they'll now be donating to SGK.

    This. Also, who is their target donor? It seems to me that the people who are really up in arms over PP funding are more likely to be donating their monies other places anyway. Not that you have to be liberal or conservative to care about cancer, but the people who really take issue with PP probably have other donation priorities. 

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  • imageFallinAgain:

    imagemodb1rd:
    On a tangent, it is so hard for me to determine the national impact of this on SGK. Being a 40 year old woman with a terminal degree living in the bay area, I have no idea if the outrage I hear and read is mainly because of my social circle and physical location or if it is more widespread. If the reputational impact is mainly (not solely) limited to responses by 30 - 40 year old women with college degrees living in liberal locations, is that enough of a backlash to have a significant effect?

    The FB page indicates that it's fairly widespread, but it's hard to tell.

    I think their big problem is that it taints their rep. Even if people don't get outraged about this, I suspect their might be longer term "hmmm, I think I heard something bad about them so I won't donate" kind of effect.

    It's exceptionally widespread. Even here in Canada people are watching this thing unfold.  I'm the chair of a local non profit and we just got memos about how to handle donor issues/choices/etc... based on what just went down.

    This was an enormous mistake for them. Huge. ANd will act as a non profit example all over north america.

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  • OMG, the FB page is FANTASTIC. People are nuts.

    I KNOW the Susan G. Komen grants to Planned Parenthood were for mammograms, but they were being used for ABORTIONS!!!

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  • imageBobLoblaw:

    OMG, the FB page is FANTASTIC. People are nuts.

    I KNOW the Susan G. Komen grants to Planned Parenthood were for mammograms, but they were being used for ABORTIONS!!!

    Free abortion with mammogram! Mammogram/abortion twofer! You, ma'am, step right up. Hmmm, you don't look very pregnant. Maybe you should get on that and then come back.

    Outside of Oklahoma, they use the fetuses for food.  

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    "The meek shall inherit the earth" isn't about children. It's about deer. We're all going to get messed the fuckup by a bunch of cloned super-deer.- samfish2bcrab

    Sometimes I wonder if scientists have never seen a sci-fi movie before. "Oh yes, let's create a super species of deer. NOTHING COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG." I wonder if State Farm offers a Zombie Deer Attack policy. -CaliopeSpidrman
  • imageBobLoblaw:

    OMG, the FB page is FANTASTIC. People are nuts.

    I KNOW the Susan G. Komen grants to Planned Parenthood were for mammograms, but they were being used for ABORTIONS!!!

    My favorite last night was "Who needs PP for mammograms?  Breast exams are easy to do at home!"

    Dear SGK, your efforts to raise breast cancer awareness may not have been that successful.

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  • imageFallinAgain:

     I'm really surprised you aren't more pissed about this.

    I'm disappointed, but I can't really be outraged that a private organization made a choice I disagree with. I'm fine with spreading the word and people who support PP changing their donations accordingly. I'm guilty of ignorantly donating without investigating what Komen was really doing with that money, so in a way, I think it's good this happened and an ill-managed charity is getting it's day in the court of public opinion.

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  • I'm giving money to whomever gives the most abortions. Abortions for all!!
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    I'm giving money to whomever gives the most abortions. Abortions for all!!

    If I could designate that my money was only to be spent on abortions, I would.

    <--------------hates babies.


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  • imageEssBe:

    imageTSD:
    I'm giving money to whomever gives the most abortions. Abortions for all!!

    If I could designate that my money was only to be spent on abortions, I would.

    <--------------hates babies.

    If only there were more abortions...I can think of so many who would have made a better abortion than outside person...not to mention those that didn't need to be parents... 

  • Is it controversial here to say I find abortion abhorrent and wish it didn't exist and if illegalizing it stopped it, I'd probably be "pro-life"?  But I don't think it does. I think it makes it unsafe and endangers life, and I wish that "pro-lifers" concentrated their efforts on providing sex education and free, accessible contraception--like PP-- and on creating programs that support mothers and born children.  
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  • Even before this hit the Nest, I learned of this from my sister's boyfriend on FB.  I don't know much about his political leanings, but his comment about being outraged by this decision made me like him more.  Of course, I don't think he is a fan of children, so maybe that explains why a dude in his late 30s, living alone in St. Louis wants to support abortions.

    I am certainly guilty of never researching SGK.  I contributed a very minor amount of money at work all in the name of wearing jeans (we were allowed to wear jeans on a day other than Friday if we donated - I'm a whore for jeans day).  That won't happen again.  Too bad.  I was actually really tempted to buy the pink Kitchenaid.  I'm ashamed that I'm a whore for jeans...and for pink $hit.

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  • I don't think so Fallin.  I think more people here fall on your side of things than on the me/TSD/Fenton side of thinking abortion is (can be?) a good thing.

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    imageFallinAgain:

     I'm really surprised you aren't more pissed about this.

    I'm disappointed, but I can't really be outraged that a private organization made a choice I disagree with. I'm fine with spreading the word and people who support PP changing their donations accordingly. I'm guilty of ignorantly donating without investigating what Komen was really doing with that money, so in a way, I think it's good this happened and an ill-managed charity is getting it's day in the court of public opinion.

    I think this is where I'm at, but with a healthy dose of righteous indignation.

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  • imageEssBe:
    I don't think so Fallin.  I think more people here fall on your side of things than on the me/TSD/Fenton side of thinking abortion is (can be?) a good thing.

    Ideally no one would ever get pregnant unintentionally and abortion wouldn't have to exist. I don't want abortions to happen. But I can't imagine legislating a person's internal organs even if it would stop abortion. Do we legislate that a parent is obligated to donate a kidney or bone marrow to their dying child? Should a parent go to jail if they refuse? I realize failure to undergo surgery is a lot more passive than an abortion, but in terms of being pro-life and the government telling you what to do with your body, I don't think they're that different.

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    imageEssBe:
    I don't think so Fallin.  I think more people here fall on your side of things than on the me/TSD/Fenton side of thinking abortion is (can be?) a good thing.

    Ideally no one would ever get pregnant unintentionally and abortion wouldn't have to exist. I don't want abortions to happen. But I can't imagine legislating a person's internal organs even if it would stop abortion. Do we legislate that a parent is obligated to donate a kidney or bone marrow to their dying child? Should a parent go to jail if they refuse? I realize failure to undergo surgery is a lot more passive than an abortion, but in terms of being pro-life and the government telling you what to do with your body, I don't think they're that different.

    I think there's a huge difference is refusing to undergo an invasive procedure to save a life (though I'd hope any parent would) and in actively ending a life.  Now, I could argue that it's more like not allowing a mother to smother her infant with a pillow, but that's not true either.  That's why abortion is a hard topic.  There is no comparison in the world. 

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  • My problem with the pro-illegal abortion movement (thanks, Mouse!) is that the unborn life is the top priority to the detriment of all others. Maybe I'd change my mind if I had a kid or felt the urge to have one, but for me, a life already started will always trump a life not yet begun. And I don't just mean in life-or-death situations. I'd rather an unwanted pregnancy terminated than a child brought into this world. I'm glad people choose the adoption route, but that's not always possible/workable/easy/ideal, either.


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  • Yeah, I'm not cheering for women to get pregnant just to have an abortion.  But for unwanted pregnancies, it can be a really good thing IMO.

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  • imageFallinAgain:
    image_Fenton:

    imageEssBe:
    I don't think so Fallin.  I think more people here fall on your side of things than on the me/TSD/Fenton side of thinking abortion is (can be?) a good thing.

    Ideally no one would ever get pregnant unintentionally and abortion wouldn't have to exist. I don't want abortions to happen. But I can't imagine legislating a person's internal organs even if it would stop abortion. Do we legislate that a parent is obligated to donate a kidney or bone marrow to their dying child? Should a parent go to jail if they refuse? I realize failure to undergo surgery is a lot more passive than an abortion, but in terms of being pro-life and the government telling you what to do with your body, I don't think they're that different.

    I think there's a huge difference is refusing to undergo an invasive procedure to save a life (though I'd hope any parent would) and in actively ending a life.  Now, I could argue that it's more like not allowing a mother to smother her infant with a pillow, but that's not true either.  That's why abortion is a hard topic.  There is no comparison in the world. 

     

    I wonder if the debate would change at all if abortion entailed removing the embryo, fetus, whatever it is at that stage, but not actively killing it.  

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  • imageFallinAgain:
    Is it controversial here to say I find abortion abhorrent and wish it didn't exist and if illegalizing it stopped it, I'd probably be "pro-life"?  But I don't think it does. I think it makes it unsafe and endangers life, and I wish that "pro-lifers" concentrated their efforts on providing sex education and free, accessible contraception--like PP-- and on creating programs that support mothers and born children.  

    This is my line of thinking as well. I got in many a debate over that damn prop26 stuff with people that are staunchly anti-abortion and equally pro abstinence only sex ed.  I don't see how the two can go hand in hand.

    All of the money that was spent campaigning for that stupid thing could have been spent on preventing unwanted pregnancies since, you know, Mississippi alternates with Alabama on who gets to be the worst at that.
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  • I'm just going to post this here because it annoyed me.

    FB friend. "Everyone upset about SGK and PP, be upset about forumla marketing. Breast feeding PREVENTS cancer. Prevention first."

     

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  • I'm of the in a perfect world people wouldn't get pregnant and not want it or not be able to care for it. But every day I read about some horrifying account of abuse or murder of a child that's been around awhile. Their lives are rarely inspiring other a-holes not to do the same thing. Some douchebag threw his girlfriends 4 mo old out of a car into traffic because they were fighting and another threw his over a bridge. These people should've aborted in my opinion. 

    Look abortion isn't like getting a car wash. I dont feel like it should be something people take lightly but I think it's necessary. And it's just not one of those things the law says I can't do based on someone else's moral code

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    imageEssBe:

    They spend roughly the same amount of money on research and screening ($75M and $67 M respecitvely).

    Meanwhile, they spend $141M on "awareness."  I wonder if that includes the fees for their "for the cure" lawsuits.

    Most of their corporate partnerships are mainly to get their name out there.  For example, the ON shirts they sold recently, just 5% of sales went to SGK.  That means they got 75 cents for each shirt!

    One of my labs had a Komen grant. Now you know someone. 

     

    This.  Komen is a bit of a scam.  I did breast cancer research for years, in a building for cancer research in a department specifically for sex-linked cancers, and not only did we never get any Komen money, I've never known or known someone who has known anyone who has ever gotten Komen money.  Precious little, like 25% or so, of their proceeds actually go to research, and dishearteningly large salaries go to the top execs.

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