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kid related V-day confession

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Re: kid related V-day confession

  • Hallmark or not, its a no brainer to me that a Jewish school is not going to celebrate a holiday of Christian origin.

    Our school doesn't do anything except hand out valentines at circle. no party or anything.in fact they learn about all holidays at school, but don't celebrate any, which is fine with me. and them actually, they don't care. 

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  • imagesemdkm:
    No, my point is that I think everyone is getting entirely too sensitive about everything at the potential (and hopefully unintended) cost of our children becoming intolerant of everything/one.  Why not expose the kids to everything positive, be it of Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever origin.  My kids get to learn about so much because the school they go to celebrates everything--minus the Purim, but they get that from their cousins/my dad's side of the family, and I'm grateful for that.  And while I understand the origin of Valentine's Day, even growing up with a strict Catholic mother and Catholic school, etc., that was never the part that was focused on--it was just doing something nice for your classmates.  I'd hope more of us would want our children exposed to everything rather than cut every little thing out unless it pertains to only their religion (which is why my catholic school joke was just that--I want my kids to be exposed to all faiths and traditions, and honestly cannot fathom the rationale behind excluding everything).  Now, if the rationale is that there is concern that economically, maybe it would be a hardship for some kids to participate in Vday, that's another conversation, but excluding because some hallmark holiday has christian origins (which most Christians don't know about or associate very strongly with Vday) seems a bit much.

    They learn about doing nice things for others in other ways. If your kid only learns how to do nice things for others by doing it on holidays then that's pretty sad. For example, in E's school they each made a Tzadakah box which holds money they donate to charity at the end of this month. I think it's to plant trees in Isreal- I'm not sure. He goes to a Jewish pre-school because it was the best option for us right in our town, not because we're religious. The alternative in town was a program I wasn't thrilled with. I'm not religious in the least and I'm learning all this stuff along with him. He's going to be a minority the rest of his life learning about other people's holidays and traditions. I don't mind him in a learning environment that focuses on his own heritage/religion at his age now since he's never going to get it again outside of private religious instruction. If I was concerned about him missing Halloween and Valentines day I guess I'd send him to a secular school but he seems pretty nice of a kid without them.

    I think it's a ridiculous argument to say that you have to celebrate "Hallmark holidays" based in Christianity to be appreciative of other religions/cultures and to know how to be nice to classmates. Programs that don't celebrate that stuff just find a more creative or different way to do it.

  • imagesemdkm:
    No, my point is that I think everyone is getting entirely too sensitive about everything at the potential (and hopefully unintended) cost of our children becoming intolerant of everything/one.  Why not expose the kids to everything positive, be it of Christian, Jewish, Muslim, whatever origin.  My kids get to learn about so much because the school they go to celebrates everything--minus the Purim, but they get that from their cousins/my dad's side of the family, and I'm grateful for that.  And while I understand the origin of Valentine's Day, even growing up with a strict Catholic mother and Catholic school, etc., that was never the part that was focused on--it was just doing something nice for your classmates.  I'd hope more of us would want our children exposed to everything rather than cut every little thing out unless it pertains to only their religion (which is why my catholic school joke was just that--I want my kids to be exposed to all faiths and traditions, and honestly cannot fathom the rationale behind excluding everything).  Now, if the rationale is that there is concern that economically, maybe it would be a hardship for some kids to participate in Vday, that's another conversation, but excluding because some hallmark holiday has christian origins (which most Christians don't know about or associate very strongly with Vday) seems a bit much.

    Learning about and celebrating are two entirely different things.  I will be sending Alana to public school after jewish pre-school and I fully expect that she'll learn about holidays and observances from different religions.    But, I would be entirely more comfortable if she didn't have to celebrate them.  And, since the act of celebrating Valentine's Day is sharing cards and candy, I'd prefer that not to happen. We can celebrate love and friendship on a day that is not deemed as the day to do it by a pope.

    Even though most Christians don't know about or associate religion strongly with Valentines's Day doesn't take away its origin.  Many Christians don't celebrate the religious aspects of Christmas.  This doesn't make it any less of a religious holiday.

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  • I DIDN'T say that one needs to celebrate any specific holiday to be appreciative of other religions/cultures, or that schools can't teach respect and compassion in other ways (like random tuesday love day, or the various fundraisers that go on throughout the year for charities, or this week, just deeds related to "friendship" week.)  I'm saying that this trend toward schools (regardless of religious affiliation) ignoring anything other than the beliefs/customs/practices of that religion (or in the case of public schools, excluding everything from holidays--hallmark or otherwise-to birthdays, etc.--because apparently that's happening now, too) is a dangerous precedent.  I think more energy should be spent teaching kids more about the various holidays/practices/customs rather than finding ways to exclude everything because it might have some (very loose) original ties to religion. 
  • I wish I were at your school. I have to help all 3 kids with Valentine's day stuff........it's just not my holiday......
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  • i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?
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  • imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    I agree with you. I have no idea how it got to this level.

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    imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    I agree with you. I have no idea how it got to this level.

    Blame it on Pinterest.  I fell victim to it and made heart shaped crayons for the other kids but the teachers aren't getting anything. 

  • imageVero&Al:
    imageTSD:

    imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    I agree with you. I have no idea how it got to this level.

    Blame it on Pinterest.  I fell victim to it and made heart shaped crayons for the other kids but the teachers aren't getting anything. 

    I never saw it as a big thing IRL and we had 2 kids in preschools and 2 kids in real school. We never made or received anything but cards and the kids had a little party in class.

     

  • imageTSD:

    imagesemdkm:
    Damn me for being politically incorrect and religiously intolerant but why in the heck must we ruin every chance of fun for our children by banning, now, even the darned HALLMARK holidays?!  I am so glad my children don't live in one of these districts/attend one of these daycare centers.  I'm considering sending my kids to Catholic school just so they can wish someone a Merry Christmas without persecution for it.  Jeesh.  (And I come from a family that looks like the UN, with several different ethnic backgrounds and very different religions--maybe that's why I just don't understand the offense in anything remotely positive).  Okay, off my pulpit now.

    Because at Catholic school they don't celebrate our holidays so why would a Jewish school celebrate a holiday that's about a Saint? That's like saying we should just give our kids Santa because it's fun and it's not really about celebrating the birth of Christ. Fun is what you make it. If you make Tuesdays fun, they're fun. To me your mentality is like if you have a diick for a spouse all year, but you make sure you guys make a big deal out of Valentines Day just because it's Valentines Day. Every day should be Valentines Day.

    Oh wait - I didn't realize he was in JEWISH school. In that case it completely makes sense why they don't celebrate SAINT Valentine's Day. I retract my initial comment.

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  • imagekellyann1972:
    imageVero&Al:
    imageTSD:

    imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    I agree with you. I have no idea how it got to this level.

    Blame it on Pinterest.  I fell victim to it and made heart shaped crayons for the other kids but the teachers aren't getting anything. 

    I never saw it as a big thing IRL and we had 2 kids in preschools and 2 kids in real school. We never made or received anything but cards and the kids had a little party in class.

     

    When Alex was little we only did cards.  Now I'm home, have a bit more time and made about 20 heart shaped crayons. I printed out ther card to attach to the bags with their names already on it.  No biggie.  I'd rather do this than give out candy.  I'll end up picking through any candy that they receive, give them one each, keep my favorites and toss the rest.  But I do agree with you that a bigger deal is being made as the years go by.  It's like a competition on which mom is the most creative.  Whatever.  

  • imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    Totally agree. My kid is taking in his Spiderman pre-printed lolipop valentines and the cherry jello cups we signed up for and calling it a day. No other crafts, gifts for the teacher (except for the 'teacher card' that comes in the pack!) are happening..

    It's a little odd though.. Toby's been giving me a countdown to when ValentTIMES day is all week, "Mommy, did you know there's only 4 days left until ValenTIMES day!?" It's kind of cute!

  • imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    When I taught I used to receive a few gifts for Valentine's Day.  They were mostly chocolate roses or small heart-shaped boxes of chocolate.  I didn't receive as many gifts as I did at Christmas, but I always received a few and I worked in a low-income school.

    As for all the crafts and "extravagant" cards, I don't understand how that happened either.  Molly's school said to just send in cards so that is what I did, the cheapy old-school ones.  I was fine with that.

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  • imageTSD:

    Because at Catholic school they don't celebrate our holidays so why would a Jewish school celebrate a holiday that's about a Saint?

    Just thought I'd point out that I learned a TON about Judaism in Catholic school and CCD. I explained Hanukkah to my son and my husband was like "holy crap. That was why better than I'd explain it. Where did you learn that?" Um, in CATHOLIC SUNDAY SCHOOL.

    just saying...

  • imagetpquinn72:

    imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    When I taught I used to receive a few gifts for Valentine's Day.  They were mostly chocolate roses or small heart-shaped boxes of chocolate.  I didn't receive as many gifts as I did at Christmas, but I always received a few and I worked in a low-income school.

    As for all the crafts and "extravagant" cards, I don't understand how that happened either.  Molly's school said to just send in cards so that is what I did, the cheapy old-school ones.  I was fine with that.

    We were told the cards with nothing attached because they made mailboxes to put them in. But I can bet she'll still come home with 8 bags of "stuff" which i can't stand.

    From some of the posts on here it does sound like xmas

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  • imageLiz051405:
    imageTSD:

    Because at Catholic school they don't celebrate our holidays so why would a Jewish school celebrate a holiday that's about a Saint?

    Just thought I'd point out that I learned a TON about Judaism in Catholic school and CCD. I explained Hanukkah to my son and my husband was like "holy crap. That was why better than I'd explain it. Where did you learn that?" Um, in CATHOLIC SUNDAY SCHOOL.

    just saying...

    Well then you had a very inclusive experience and that's great. Learning about other holidays is awesome. But they learned about Hanukkah, didn't celebrate it. And I'm fairly certain many of the people that I grew up with didn't learn a thing about Judaism.

  • imagedebfife:
    i don't understand when Valentine's day turned into such a huge thing. I'm cool with the cute little card exchange, but gifts, crafts, stuff for teachers...didn't the holiday season just pass?

    I agree. We are doing cards and the infamous crayon heart instead of lollipops or candy. Teacher is not getting a gift and it never occurred to me to do it!  

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