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Jobs are open but no one wants t hem
http://money.cnn.com/galleries/2012/smallbusiness/1203/gallery.employees/?iid=HP_River
CNN profiles 5 different business owners.
The first guy owns a tutoring company and pays btwn $25-50/hr which seems fair, but the rest of the business owners profiled seem delusional.
One guy wants to pay $8.50/hr for full time work and wonders why he can't attract talent. You can't support yourself on $8.50/hr. As soon as the guy down the street offers $8.75 your employees will jump. He also comments that applicants realize they can makre more by collecting UI and food stamps.
All the jobs they feature pay under $50k.
For some reason I don't feel sympathetic to the plight of most of the business owners featured.
Re: Jobs are open but no one wants t hem
Yeah- I lost interest after the 3rd business profile. The company sounded sales heavy and came off more like a direct marketing type job than an actual job.
When I was interviewing right out of undergrad, I came across a lot of those and when I realized what it was- skipped out on the interview.
The tip off for me was the listed salary- and then a salary almost 2x times that listed as " what one could earn".
The last guy wants to pay 30-40K in NYC? I've never lived there but that doesn't seem to be a NYC wage that attracts "top talent". Then he basically implies that if you can handle being a slave for a year, maybe you'll rise to the top. If they haven't laid you off.
Some of them seem to have a sort of mentality that "people are desperate, why can't I exploit them?". I really believe that most people want to work, but they want to work at job that pay the bills and offers some sort of quality of life (both at home and in the office)...if these guys can't get employees, it's not because people prefer unemployment or aren't as driven, as they say.
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I don't care how much money you pay, a bad company is a bad company.
Except for the tutoring company, the rest of them do not seem like companies where I would want to work.
The second one is in an area where $8.50 is probably a competitive wage for someone off the street without wages.
The third, I'm not sure about, but if they really start at $12 an hour...well, that is more than I make. My job was pretty in demand, and I started out at 3/4 time making the same wage as the previous person had made after 10 years at full time.
It's sad. These are not living wages. I saw a bunch of jobs advertised on a billboard the last time I drove through the nearest major city. Not a single job paid more than $11 an hour.
I think the employers need to pay more, but I think all of the employers need to pay more. It is ridiculous that five years ago, I was making more money per hour milking cows that I am now with a family to support and an "in town" job. This is why I work two jobs, my husband works full time and we farm.
<a href="http://www.thenest.com/?utm_source=ticker&utm_medium=HTML&utm_campaign=tickers" title="Home DThere are special places where chitty jobs can exist - college laden areas, for example. Even if you fill the job though, it doesn't help if you have a lot of turn over and constantly dealing with hiring, quitting and personality issues in between. I had a past boss who was stingy with raises and drove away a lot of good/cheap help because she wouldn't give them a 50 cent raise after they'd been there for months. You gotta keep your good workers happy and you can't do that with crappy pay.
Median income for an individual American worker in 2011 was only 26K.
BIL is mostly commission based (gets a salary base that is peanuts) and earns mid 6 figures. So is that rated as a peanuts salary or is he part of the 1%?
He's part of the 1% if he's bringing home mid 6 figures. Income is income.
The last guy sounds like an asshoole.
In this country, we give public assistance and unemployment. That allows us not to be as driven. I spend 90% of my time interviewing, and half the people who are scheduled never even show up.We want to hire motivated, dedicated young adults. We start them between $30,000 and $40,000.
Average rents for a 1 bedroom in NYC are close to $2,000 (in Queens or Brooklyn, not Manhattan) . That's $24,000 a year. So it is really a surprise that people are not flocking to take your job at $30,000?
$25-50/hour for tutoring?!?! That's more than I make teaching.
That is as far as I got. I'm tired this morning.
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It does sound great, but it also sounds like it's a sporadic kind of thing. Like, you'd only have 3 hours in a week. Great for some extra cash, but not something you can rely on as an only or primary job. Especially if you're not getting reimbursed for travel to the client and such.
Ditto to all the PP about employers totally exploiting the unemployment woes of the last few years. There is a myth amongst employers that there is an entire pool of highly qualified, desperate employees who will work for $8-10/hour just because the job market has been so crappy for so long. They refuse to listen to reality.
I have one client who has been looking for over a year for someone to fill a spot that should pay $18-25/hour, minimum. He wants to pay $8/hour with no benefits. He hasn't had one single applicant, and he just can't figure out why. I told him to go down to the local soup kitchen and see if he could find someone there, because those are the only people who might be willing to work for those wages.
Also:
We want to hire motivated, dedicated young adults.
Isn't age discrimination illegal??
yeah I wouldn't advise a kid to move for an entry level job that paid under 30k either.
Id be glad to PM you if you are seriously interested. I am planning to hire to two new positions this summer.
It sounds like a decent job with incredible benefits, but I don't think I would move for something like this either - unless the potential to move up or make a long-term career at the company is very high (i.e. the people in entry level positions are being promoted with good frequency).
Yea, staying where they are at and making nothing is so much better. The people that refuse to take jobs they deem "below" them are not going to fare well during the recovery with that type of attitude and a gap in employment.
Do you have any idea how expensive it is to move? It's a big investment, between the actual moving expenses, a deposit and first month's rent on a new place, etc. I wouldn't advise my kid to move just to have any job - it doesn't make financial sense, especially if the job doesn't pay enough for you to be able to recoup those expenses (and $28k is not very much money).
The tutor guy said he can't find enough people for obscure locations. That isn't the same as not being able to find people.
It's NYC. Many people don't have cars. If the location is more than half an hour walk to the subway (which plenty of parts of the outer borroughs are) and it is another half hour from your own home on the subway, that is 3 hours of your time for $25. (The tutoring sessions probably last an hour). It also eliminates your ability to do any other work for that evening or half a day on the weekends. With more remote locations or bad weather it would be grim. I can think of many places that would be more like 2 hours door to door by public transport and feet from my apartment in NYC - and I lived in Manhattan. That is more like 5 hours for $25.
I'm sure he has no trouble filling slots in the upper west or east side.
So true. That was the only guy I felt had a decent point. The clearance process is an enormous flustercluck.
I do know how expensive it is to move and I understand that people want to make more money. We all do. I thought I would be making much more than what I even do now but what I am saying still sticks. There are people who are willing to move and willing to work hard and there are those who arent willing to take those opportunities. Sometimes a better job may come their way and its a good thing but I dont think thats the majority experience with the economy the way it is and as someone who is hiring, I am not interested in someone with large gaps in their employment and Im only hiring for entry level. They should have been in school or working somewhere and if they have not, Im going to doubt work ethic.