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Re: Michelle Duggar Says Overpopulation Is a Lie
Maybe I'll start a Calvinism thread next week on a slow day. It should make for interesting conversation.
I just remember I sort of walked out on a free will/predestination conversation with you a few weeks ago and wanted to pick it back up sometime so I could explain myself better. I hope I wasn't assuming things when I said that you were curious
It's mind-boggling to me that people get their panties in a twist over cow farts. Apparently nobody has a clue about sustainable farming practices that involves both animals and plants. We need both unless you think petrochemical-based agriculture is saving the environment. Using petrochemicals in farming rather than harvesting the sun's energy via grasses and such is probably one of the big reasons behind our ridiculous population explosion. Yay, amber waves of grain thanks to oil!
Humans are not herbivores. Constantly stuffing one's face with low calorie, fibrous plant material is the job of large mammals with many stomachs. They harvest the nutrients from plant material and package it into a small space for us in the form of meat and fat. Same thing with fish; they filter through large swaths of plant matter in the water and when we eat the fish, we eat what they've converted to flesh and fat. And then there are eggs and milk. Humans thrive on such nutrient dense foods. Sure, plants are a nice addition and beautiful and tasty, but animals blow plants away as far as nutrient content goes (I don't mean shiitty faux food, btw, but stuff which is farmed or otherwise raised on a proper diet and I mean the whole animal, not just burgers & steaks).
Animals give back to the soil as well and that's a crucial part of the process. Otherwise, where will plants get all of their required nutrients? Animal or plant, it's garbage-in, garbage-out and I thought it was pretty common knowledge by now that today's conventionally grown produce is increasingly bereft of nutrients.
Has P&CE not read the chapter in omnivore's dilemma about Joel Salatin and what he's doing at Polyface farms?
You didn't walk out on it, we sorta highjacked that thread so it wasn't fitting to continue. But yeah, whenever you have it, i'll keep my eyes peeled as often as i can and, of course, chime in just the same.
AW, most of your posts leave me shaking my head, but I have to give it up to you for standing your ground, staying calm and coming back.
As for predestination...that just depresses me. Why have free will if what I choose to do is only going to lead me to where it's already decided I will go? No thanks - I like to believe my decisions make an actual difference.
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Wherever did you get this from? Because I linked one article and talked about one aspect? I actually know a lot about agriculture/farming/animal husbandry.
To address your point as to "where will the plants get their nutrients from" it's called plant rotation. Some plants take out nutrients, some replace it. The nutrients don't have to come from animal spore.
This is where I'm at. I wouldn't bat an eye if you reciprocated the nastiness that tends to come your way. But you don't. And even though I agree with the mob that piles on you as the underdog, the tone that comes out of some of them turns me off and makes you look better as a result.
But I still hardly agree with you at all!
Really, Mish???
Speak fer yerself
So you rotate crops and you're all set? No need to amend the soil with anything ever? I guess my grandparents went to the horse farm and loaded up on manure for their garden just so I could get a pony ride. When I look at alternatives to chemical fertilizers, they all contain some animal component(s): bone meal, fish meal, blood, poop, etc.
Me too.
My dad is half Scottish. I took a trip to Scotland about 2.5 years ago. Beautiful and really harsh at the same time, you know? We visited John Knox's house in Edinburgh.
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Not really, no. Not if you're not doing intensive agriculture. You can also use compost, and let your land lie fallow. Horse manure also isn't a byproduct of meat production (in most instances).
In fairness, though, most carnivores have very short, acidic digestive tracts without curving intestines.
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The best soil I seen is in our backyard. The real soil is DG, but a walnut tree farm used to be here and the leaf litter has provided us with almost two feet of beautiful dirt that you can use your hands to dig through. It is wonderful and the 500+ palms that we have planted love it!
You made it personal by bringing up AW and making fun of her in the first place. You brought her into this out of the blue, not in response to anything she had yet said in this thread.
Then you post this little ditty?
And I acknowledged, several times, that I shouldn't have. mea culpa.
I seem to have missed those. I will go back and reread. Glad to hear.
I'm starting to think that the fact that Adamwife is like this is what bothers the heck out of the others. It bothers them that they can't get a rise out of her.
And we're not carnivores either. We have the luxury of skipping out on most animal products and we still survive (with some supplements), but it's kind of nuts to claim that our optimal diet is all plant or that a diet of plants is superior, however it was worded. It's as nuts to claim that an all animal product diet is best even though we can survive like that and you's get a load of nutritive value from a small amount of food.
I think it's going to be difficult to progress from non-local, chemical-based farming methods and raising animals CAFO-style if the alternative is not to employ both animals and plants in the job. In the US, we have a huge surplus of "food," not a shortage so I don't see how swapping animal factories for fields of more grain, especially if it's not grown organically, is such a great solution. It all sucks and needs reevaluation if we care about food quality and not just quantity.
That a pastured animal requires more space is seen as oh noes, bad, they're using up the land! But eating a proper diet and giving the animals space is what keeps them healthy. We reduce the need for antibiotics and the food they produce is much more nutritious. That's not even to mention the animal welfare issue.
Now to tie it into the Duggars, I have a question: why in the heck don't *they* have a farm or work on one? Isn't that one of the reasons why people used to multiply to such a great extent... to have some manual labor around? I've only seen a couple of episodes and recall the preparation of tater tot casserole and loads of processed crap in grocery carts.
I might be confusing you with someone else, but for some reason I feel like you have randomly brought AW into something on a few occasions, like you did today. Perhaps that is why it bothers people.
And then of course the snark above, after AW nicely addresses it.
My family and the Bates family stood shoulder to shoulder in Jacksonville and there was plenty of room to spare in which to fit the rest of the population.
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