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Discipline & Self Control
So my honest view is that many problems would be much better if the average person had better discipline and self control.
I realize that life is not fair, some people get a short end of the stick, socio-economically, genetically, etc. BUT... generally, it is hard to say that having stronger discipline and self control will not more often than not result in a better outcome. nothing is guaranteed, but for instance (to use the obsesity example) if you work out 5 times a week and eat 1500 calories a day of clean food, you have a better chance of not being obsese than someone who does not (sure some outlier might have some sort of disorder that makes them gain weight on this, but that is not the norm) or generally you do better in undergrad if you read the assignments, study, and don't skip class (again, there will be some that do this and get Cs and others that do this and get A's due to their general intelligence and memory) but again, generally.
Thoughts?
Re: Discipline & Self Control
Who "me?"
Really? Really. REEEAAAAALLLLLY?
I have to believe this is a troll for my own sanity.
Obscure Jack Handey quote FTW.
My Lunch Blog
Thank god you showed up. Because, not only do I not know that I am fat, I also didn't know that I was totally lazy and lacking in self-control.
I died.
Pfft, like any Jack Handey quote is obscure!
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You're absolutely right. The only time I was in the normal BMI range for my height was when I exerted an exceptional amount of discipline and control. I mean, eating 800 calories a day while exercising 2 hours a day in order to remain 9 lbs below my happy (but overweight) set point is totally healthy and awesome right?
GFY.
not a troll... but yes, an annoying thread that I knew would get a bad reaction based on the theme of the board, but it is my honest thought.
I honestly don't see how you can not both be compassionate and realize that things are not fair, but also think that having more discipline is required. This is just a personal value of mine, but it crosses into politics for me because when a lot of people complain about entitlement culture, to me this is a similar concept.
Anyways, we do not control everything and bad things happen randomly, but generally, in my view, there is a prescribed way for most things that if you follow you generally have a better chance of finding success (this cuts across most things).
I know that so many disagree and this is very oversimplified and does not take into account nuances, exceptions, being being underadvantaged, etc... but just a general statement.
For me... if I did not beleive this, I think I would be depressed as if I really beleived I had no control over anything that happened to me ever, that would be hard for me. So maybe I use this thinking as a defence mechanism or something.
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and the weight example was just an example because of the other thread. This is more of a general statement.
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A serious answer: there's a huge gray area between being able to control every detail of your life through discipline and having no control over your own destiny whatsoever.
Let's take diet. Yes, I can control what I put in my mouth, and occassionally what type of exercise I do. But when I was working 70+ hours a week, it was a lot harder. It was hard to cook from scratch and easy to buy a sandwich at work. It was hard to get enough sleep, which contributes to weight gain. It was hard to schedule time to exercise because I was always working. It was hard to stick to any kind of routine because I was always working, which meant I ate when I was hungry, and when I was on a meal break.
Compound time contraints with lack of funds and suddenly, working out and being healthy take a back seat to just being able to feed yourself and your kids.
Other things you can't control? The USDA. I can't control what my kids' school provides in their lunches. I can't control the fact that over 1/4 of all food products in the grocery store are made with some kind of corn product, and that Monsanto genetically modifies their corn and soy, and no one REALLY knows what they does to my metabolism.
That's just diet. Let's not even talk about academic performance, because I don't have the patience for that today.
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Most people are not overweight because they lack self-control or are stupid. I know what I should eat, how much I should eat, what is healthy, what is not. I have analyzed eating probably way more than most people with a healthy BMI. I have discipline and self control in all other areas of my life and lazy is a joke. Yet I am fat. It because obesity, in almost all cases, is so much deeper than self-control, and saying that fatties just need to get some self-control is condescending and insulting.
But I will let me therapist know that a chick on a message board fixed me and I wont need her services anymore.
Most people are not overweight because they lack self-control or are stupid. I know what I should eat, how much I should eat, what is healthy, what is not. I have analyzed eating probably way more than most people with a healthy BMI. I have discipline and self control in all other areas of my life and lazy is a joke. Yet I am fat. It because obesity, in almost all cases, is so much deeper than self-control, and saying that fatties just need to get some self-control is condescending and insulting.
But I will let me therapist know that a chick on a message board fixed me and I wont need her services anymore.
http://community.thenest.com/cs/ks/forums/thread/64835693.aspx
Here's your chance to ask about self control
I mean, no shiit?
If you get a job, you might have some money!
Thanks for fixing all the world's problems.
Sorry if it was insulting. I have been overweight in my life myself. I am not now, but I was from about 19-21. I am in my 40s now.
Anyways-- again, this was not really intended to be about just weight. it was a random thought about values that I used a weight example due to the thread from earlier, but I was saying that it touches almost everything I do and my political beliefs.
I know! Feelings don't repress themselves.
Do you have fat friends too? I mean, you totes understand what us fatties go through.
Here's some self-responsibility (c) that I'd like to see:
I wish the olds had shown more discipline when they were younger and elected political leaders who would deliver responsible stewardship rather than outsized promises that everyone knew was going to drive our economy off a cliff. I also wish they had behaved more responsibly themselves when in positions of power, both political and private, so as not to drive our economy off a cliff. I wish they had shown more discipline with their investments rather than worshipping the almighty Dow and housing market. Finally, I wish they would show some responsibility now for what has gone wrong and vote away some of their own entitlements for the benefit of their grandchildren.
But they didn't and they won't. So, you know, fcvk them.
we could always institute the death panels!
I am sure this will offend you and I am crossing some PC line that will be flamed away... but here goes.
I used to be a partner at a BigLaw firm... so I also have worked 70+ hours a week. Today I am inhouse, but have a child and one on the way. So while I am only working 55 hours a week, I have a lot of time pressure. that being said, I don't enjoy running really, yet I do it each and every week 4 days a week, because I want to be healthy, stay thin, and I just do it. Regardless of how tired, regardless or how I feel that day, etc. Same on food... if I don't make food from scratch, I will eat a spinich salad with chick peas, and grilled plain chicken on it that takes about 10 minutes to make. Do I like it... no, not really, it sometimes even tastes disgusting to me... but again, I jsut do it. Do I also eat things I enjoy sure, but I also force myself to not order certain things or really limit the portions when I can.
I realize there are emotional issues that could make this impossible. I am not making this a personal attack. All I am saying is that generally, I find that when I force myself to do things that I don't want to do because I know they are right or lead to the end result I want, I get that end result at least 50% of the time.
Each person should live their life as they see fit and IRL I would never share this with anyone and I don't judge how others do things, but I think that for me personally, I beleive that discipline = success most of the time.
You know that's right! LOL
ETA: You know I couldn't resist slagging off on the fogies in this thread. Don't even post about personal responsibility without expecting to hear from me on those worthless, entitled turds.
I wish life was so easy to just exercise 5 days a week to be thin and go to class everyday to get straight As. Lolololol.
Because you can't do all this AND pull yourself up by your bootstraps. YWIA.
OP, it's not offensive, per se, just simplistic. In order to make your spinach salad, you need access to a store that sells fresh spinach, you need to be able to go buy it (and have money to buy it) at least once a week, you need to have a way to transport it to work, you need to have a place at work where you can store your fresh food, and you need to have a place you can sit and eat.
The "point" I was refering to earlier in the thread is not that we excuse lack of self-discipline because, hey, why not? It's that things that many people take for granted are luxuries for some.
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