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Romney attacks Obama for time at Harvard

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Re: Romney attacks Obama for time at Harvard

  • imageSparrowSong:

    If he forgot he went to Harvard, yeah, I think he's an idiot. I think it's pretty unlikely he has forgotten this, or made a mistake about it. Thus, I assume by repeatedly criticizing Obama for having gone to Harvard, he must be assuming those he's addressing, who would be responsive to such criticisms, are idiots. Sorry, I didn't think my comment was really that controversial. "Jesus Christ." lol.

    I have to say...I'm finding this all to be a very bizarre exchange!

  • This is how I'm interpreting Irish's point, using me (yes, it's all about ME) as an analogy.

    I am a dyed in the wool Aggie.  Live it, breathe it, love it.  I went to school with plenty of people that didn't, say, have the buy-in that I do.

    So now let's say I'm the President (man, I like this all about ME stuff), and a fellow Aggie (but NOT Rick Perry. Not.Rick.Perry) is running against me.  This fellow Aggie was a 2%er (Aggie lingo for someone who doesn't  get it/buy in to the awesomeness).  That 2%er (I'll call her Gina, pronunciation up to the reader) tells voters I spent too much time in College Station.  

    Sure, Gina spent as much time as I did at A&M (assuming, of course, that she was ALSO on the 5 year plan), but she isn't a brainwashed Aggie like me.  I think that's what Romney keeps harping on (whether it's a good idea or not), the idea that Obama is a brainwashed Harvarder (what?).  So it's not a matter of forgetting he went there, or voters forgetting he went there.  It's a matter of saying "I don't buy into the [liberal] Harvard crap like President Obama does."  End statement.  No forgetfulness, no "intellectual dishonesty," just Romney trying to paint the "I'm like you (except better-looking, smarter, and far more successful--shhhhhh)" picture.

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    imageSparrowSong:
    I don't know if Romney is stupid, or he's just smart enough to know that voters are so stupid that he can say this and have his supporters eat it up. Sadly it's probably the latter. 

    The funny thing is, this is my tin foil hat theory regarding Obama's complete misstatement of constitutional law...again.

    What are you referring to?

    The again part or the misstatement part? 


    Because I'm heading out of town for the weekend in twenty minutes I'll just clarify both.

    Misstatement #2--SCOTUS overturning an act of Congress would be completely unprecendented

    Misstatement #1--Citizens United overturned 100 years of caselaw 

     

    Neither statement is accurate. 

    It sounds as if he is speaking with his politician's hat rather than his constitutional scholar's hat.

    Right, which is why my tin foil hat theory is that he thinks the electorate is so ignorant of how the American judiciary works that they'll believe his version of events and be whipped into a political frenzy.
  • imageSparrowSong:

    If he forgot he went to Harvard, yeah, I think he's an idiot. I think it's pretty unlikely he has forgotten this, or made a mistake about it. Thus, I assume by repeatedly criticizing Obama for having gone to Harvard, he must be assuming those he's addressing, who would be responsive to such criticisms, are idiots. Sorry, I didn't think my comment was really that controversial. "Jesus Christ." lol.

    why do you assume he forgot? Nowhere in the opt does it say this or anything like it. Spending too much time at an elite university doesn't make one "of the people"-a point so many, even here, criticize romney for quite often. Not sure it is the twilight zone rather than the bias zone here. He was trying to connect. Case closed.
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  • Thank you kate and Tef.

     

    No where in that quote does he say he didn't go to Harvard. I love when people on this board pick and chose when to be literal.  

     

    I have said similar things about people from one of my alma maters who act like the stereotype of alums from there. They spent too much time there because it turned them into a clone, lol. I went much longer then they did, but for them it was too much because it turned them into the stereotype.

     

     

    Now, I don't agree with romneys comment and I hate this war on intellectuals in politics. However, I think some of the jumps made in this post are absurd.  So sorry for overreacting, but I struggle with figuring out if people here are being obtuse or just really don't think about the comments themselves outside of the article. 

  • imagekbmom:
    With some of his remarks lately, I think Obama should have spent more time there.

    lol.  No, no, no kbmom Obama is not dumb.  He knew exactly what he was saying.

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  • imagePublius:
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    imageSparrowSong:
    I don't know if Romney is stupid, or he's just smart enough to know that voters are so stupid that he can say this and have his supporters eat it up. Sadly it's probably the latter. 

    The funny thing is, this is my tin foil hat theory regarding Obama's complete misstatement of constitutional law...again.

    What are you referring to?

    The again part or the misstatement part? 


    Because I'm heading out of town for the weekend in twenty minutes I'll just clarify both.

    Misstatement #2--SCOTUS overturning an act of Congress would be completely unprecendented

    Misstatement #1--Citizens United overturned 100 years of caselaw 

     

    Neither statement is accurate. 

    It sounds as if he is speaking with his politician's hat rather than his constitutional scholar's hat.

    Right, which is why my tin foil hat theory is that he thinks the electorate is so ignorant of how the American judiciary works that they'll believe his version of events and be whipped into a political frenzy.

    See, I think he is whining about judiicial activism before a decision is made so that when the decision goes against him he can say, "See!  I was right!"  And then get his supporters whipped into a political frenzy.  Against popular opinion, I also still think it was a thinly veiled threat to the Court even if they won't give a crap what he thinks.

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  • epphdepphd member
    I get that there are different types of people who go to Harvard, or Bumfrick State or who homeschool or don't go to school at all - I get that. But IMO, Romney was using the "harvard" label as a pejorative.  Sort of like "that guy is so out of touch... he spent too much time at HAHVAHD (said with snotty accent)...amIright?"  He's relying on the notion that "average Joe" believes Harvard to be a reflection of someone who can't connect to them.  That's why it's so silly.  Sure, it could be that Romney got two degrees there (JD and MBA), along with three of is kids and many of advisors but doesn't feel any connection there - and it could be that BO lives and breathes it.  But it's not really borne out in what Obama has said - it's a trope for Romney to try to make him (Romney) stand out - and in that way it's a failure.
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  • imageIrishBrideND:

    Thank you kate and Tef.

     

    No where in that quote does he say he didn't go to Harvard. I love when people on this board pick and chose when to be literal.  

    It's far more fun to assume that he's being stupid or unscrupulous. 

    Hmmm.... should I throw the victim card now, or wait until it gets to page 3? ;)-

  • imageIrishBrideND:

    Thank you kate and Tef.

     

    No where in that quote does he say he didn't go to Harvard. I love when people on this board pick and chose when to be literal.  

     

    I have said similar things about people from one of my alma maters who act like the stereotype of alums from there. They spent too much time there because it turned them into a clone, lol. I went much longer then they did, but for them it was too much because it turned them into the stereotype.

     

     

    Now, I don't agree with romneys comment and I hate this war on intellectuals in politics. However, I think some of the jumps made in this post are absurd.  So sorry for overreacting, but I struggle with figuring out if people here are being obtuse or just really don't think about the comments themselves outside of the article. 

    I'm late to this exchange, but this thread is a stellar example of some people being intentionally obtuse. Of course he didn't forget, nor did he hope/assume his audience were idiots. He's saying Obama "drank the Koolaid," while he did not.
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  • imageepphd:
    I get that there are different types of people who go to Harvard, or Bumfrick State or who homeschool or don't go to school at all - I get that. But IMO, Romney was using the "harvard" label as a pejorative.  Sort of like "that guy is so out of touch... he spent too much time at HAHVAHD (said with snotty accent)...amIright?"  He's relying on the notion that "average Joe" believes Harvard to be a reflection of someone who can't connect to them.  That's why it's so silly.  Sure, it could be that Romney got two degrees there (JD and MBA), along with three of is kids and many of advisors but doesn't feel any connection there - and it could be that BO lives and breathes it.  But it's not really borne out in what Obama has said - it's a trope for Romney to try to make him (Romney) stand out - and in that way it's a failure.
    I get that his choice of words were not the greatest, buy, imo, this really is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He gets slammed for being out of touch, but when he says others are as well....ugh oh, he is being intellectually dishonest/dumb/whatever adjective fits here.
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  • epphdepphd member

    Personally I feel like it's an awful lot of nuance for an audience to swallow. To expect people to infer, well sure, Romney went to Harvard and has two advanced degrees but OBAMA... well, he's an elitist snob, well, it kind of requires that the audience has drunk the Romney koolade. 

    I don't think he's being dishonest, or that he's an idiot, I just think it's a dumb comment.  Obama's social darwinism comment is also dumb, for a whole host of other reasons.  Biden? KING of dumb ish.   Politicians say stupid crap.  I just wish when they got called out on it they stopped.  And probably Romney will.  I bet he'll retire the Harvard line and stick to things that are more sensible - he's got plenty of criticism that does not require that people overlook what could be taken as total hypocrisy. Hammer on the business experience thing.  Hammer on the budget.  These are things that, even though I am planning to vote for Obama, would make me say "you know, the guy's got a point." Huh?

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  • That's just funny and sad but mostly funny.
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  • imageTefLepOM:
    imageepphd:
    I get that there are different types of people who go to Harvard, or Bumfrick State or who homeschool or don't go to school at all - I get that. But IMO, Romney was using the "harvard" label as a pejorative.  Sort of like "that guy is so out of touch... he spent too much time at HAHVAHD (said with snotty accent)...amIright?"  He's relying on the notion that "average Joe" believes Harvard to be a reflection of someone who can't connect to them.  That's why it's so silly.  Sure, it could be that Romney got two degrees there (JD and MBA), along with three of is kids and many of advisors but doesn't feel any connection there - and it could be that BO lives and breathes it.  But it's not really borne out in what Obama has said - it's a trope for Romney to try to make him (Romney) stand out - and in that way it's a failure.
    I get that his choice of words were not the greatest, buy, imo, this really is damned if he does damned if he doesn't. He gets slammed for being out of touch, but when he says others are as well....ugh oh, he is being intellectually dishonest/dumb/whatever adjective fits here.

    There is no other way on earth to say that Obama is out of touch than to say the Harvard thing? 

    Also, if you're slammed for being out of touch, try to counteract that image.  Don't point at the others and say "well, they are too, for x reason" and then have that same reason be true for you, too.

    I don't really care that much about the comment, I just don't get why people are so up in arms about it being called a dumb comment.  Romney misspeaks a lot.  I thought that was something everyone agreed on.  It's old news.  Why the uproar on either side?

  • This thread is surreal. I literally have a headache.
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