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The Poorest County in each State (article)

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  • imagemcgee:
    Where is the link to the richest counties? I must have missed that.

    I think it's linked in the slideshow for NJ maybe? it's just the top 15 richest counties in the country, not in each state. Let me see if I can find it.

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    imagejillboston:
    I can't believe that there are some counties in some states (AL, MS and KY) that the median income is under 25K. I honestly can't imagine that. I believe it is true - just mind boggling that there are places in the U.S. that people are that poor.

    I know. But when I think about my own budget, a lot of my expenses would either be much lower or completely gone if I were from a poor and/or rural county. I don't think I could live off of $25k even with lots of my big expenses cut or eliminated, but I could probably survive on not that much more than that.

    The cost of living in those areas is insanely low though.  Rent, houses, etc. - seriously so cheap.  Of course, income reflects that, too.  But you'd be living very well in those areas with an income of $50k, probably.

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  • imagemxolisi:

    So having clicked through all 52 I now know that if a state has any Native American to speak of the place(s) where they are concentrated will be poorest. Not surprising. 

    That's actually not true of WA.  There are a couple of big reservations here, and a fairly substantial Native population, but Whitman county doesn't have a particularly high concentration of Native Americans.

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    imagemarie427:

    imagejillboston:
    I can't believe that there are some counties in some states (AL, MS and KY) that the median income is under 25K. I honestly can't imagine that. I believe it is true - just mind boggling that there are places in the U.S. that people are that poor.

    I know. But when I think about my own budget, a lot of my expenses would either be much lower or completely gone if I were from a poor and/or rural county. I don't think I could live off of $25k even with lots of my big expenses cut or eliminated, but I could probably survive on not that much more than that.

    The cost of living in those areas is insanely low though.  Rent, houses, etc. - seriously so cheap.  Of course, income reflects that, too.  But you'd be living very well in those areas with an income of $50k, probably.

    This is very true.  I moved from MS to MA, and the difference in COL is shocking.  Housing is by far the biggest, where we lived in MS you could buy a 3000 sq ft house in the "nicest" (highest rated schools, lowest crime) neighborhood in town for < $300K.  Here, $300K *might* get you a home half that size or less, and in one of the less "nice" neighborhoods.  Of course, the highest rated schools where we used to live would probably be the lowest rated here, and the opposite for crime, so there's certainly a quality of life factor that I think goes along with the overall wealth and resources of the community.


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  • Well the DE one was easy enough.

    Ditto on the slideshow, and having to scroll down each page.

    I feel like I should use this as a moving guide for the future. Yay cheap housing prices??Embarrassed

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  • imagepenguingrrl:
    I'm a little surprised by NJ, although I admittedly know very little about Cumberland County. I expected Camden County since Camden is so scary, although many of the surrounding suburbs are quite affluent, so I guess that throws the county off that list

    My aunt lives in Camden, has since I was a little girl. It's wretched there. My kids were aghast when we visited two years ago. Until then, they really hadn't seen anything like it.



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  • imagemrsbecky07:

    another slideshow, be warned!

    This just occurred to me - could there be any more poignant example of Yuppie Sob Stories than being on my computer in my high rise office and saying, "But I don't wanna click through to find out who's poor!"

    Yep.  Headed straight to hell.

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  • imagemxolisi:

    So having clicked through all 52 I now know that if a state has any Native American to speak of the place(s) where they are concentrated will be poorest. Not surprising. 

    I think I've been to at least 6-7 of these counties for recreational purposes. Good hiking/kayaking destinations tend to be pretty destitute it seems.  

    Not necessarily. I haven't liked at the slideshow because, well, it sounds tedious, but NYs NA concentration is not in the Bronx, its in Suffolk, AFAIK. I'm sure it is not as sizeable as other places, but it is definitely a presence, since e east end isn't as densely populated, and swathes h of it is only populated in summer.
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  • Oregon's poorest county: Malheur
    Poverty rate: 39.5%
    Poverty rate of residents under 18: 39.9%
    Median household income: $32,412
     

    The 10th-poorest county on our list, Malheur is also one of the most rural regions on our list, with an average of only 3.2 people per square mile.
     
     
    This area is rural desert, and also home to Indian reservations so it makes sense.   
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  • imagemarie427:
    Bronx County, which actually does surprise me. I know there are seriously impoverished neighborhoods in the Bronx, but I would have assumed affluent areas like Riverdale would have skewed the results upward. I was expecting a rural, less populous county in Northern New York to show up.

    Yeah, I really would have expected St. Lawrence County, actually. Despite having 2 college towns (Canton and Potsdam), it's super rural and super poor. I'd always heard it was the poorest county (and the biggest). Or possibly Lewis County, which is nearby. My mom's family is originally from St. Lawrence County. Tongue Tied (Well, when we've traced our geneology, part of her family started in NYC, then moved to Albany, then Utica, then Ogdensburg. Her grandparents later lived in Brooklyn, then Jefferson County. And my mom grew up in Buffalo. The other part of her family started around Herkimer County. What possessed any of them to move to northern NY, I don't know.)

     

    CA is Fresno County, which kind of surprised me. I would have expected one of the more rural counties, and there are a lot, both in the Eastern Sierras/on the Nevada border, and also up north of Sacramento towards the Oregon border. I've also been to Fresno County a few times because it's where Sequoia Nat'l Forest/King's Canyon Nat'l Park is, and it seemed neither here nor there. Inyo County and even Riverside County seem worse from my experience.

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  • imagedoctorwho:
    imagemxolisi:

    So having clicked through all 52 I now know that if a state has any Native American to speak of the place(s) where they are concentrated will be poorest. Not surprising. 

    I think I've been to at least 6-7 of these counties for recreational purposes. Good hiking/kayaking destinations tend to be pretty destitute it seems.  

    Not necessarily. I haven't liked at the slideshow because, well, it sounds tedious, but NYs NA concentration is not in the Bronx, its in Suffolk, AFAIK. I'm sure it is not as sizeable as other places, but it is definitely a presence, since e east end isn't as densely populated, and swathes h of it is only populated in summer.

    The Suffolk reservation has 271 residents, and Shinnecock is about 500.

    So far, it looks like the Tuscarora reservation might be the biggest at 1152: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscarora_Reservation

    But it's in Niagara County, which isn't very rural. At least, it's part of the Buffalo-Niagara statistical area.

    ETA: St. Regis in Mohawk County is over 3000. Cattarugus is almost 2500, but that's also near Erie/Cattaraugus/Chatauqua counties, which is basically Buffalo.

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  • imagemxolisi:

    So having clicked through all 52 I now know that if a state has any Native American to speak of the place(s) where they are concentrated will be poorest. Not surprising. 

    I think I've been to at least 6-7 of these counties for recreational purposes. Good hiking/kayaking destinations tend to be pretty destitute it seems.  

    That's immediately what I thought of when I saw the Menominee County listing.

  • Not very surprised by Minnesota's. Mahnomen County is small, outstate and has a large Native American population. I grew up in a different county in the same general area and while unemployment is relatively low, there isn't a lot of high-paying jobs and the economy isn't exactly growing.

    ETA: I'm pretty sure the Native American populations are bigger in other counties, but most of the reservations here are either in the twin cities outlying counties, so they're much more urban, or up north near Duluth, which has the biggest county in the state, so it's more economically diverse. 

  • imagemsmerymac:

    CA is Fresno County, which kind of surprised me. I would have expected one of the more rural counties, and there are a lot, both in the Eastern Sierras/on the Nevada border, and also up north of Sacramento towards the Oregon border. I've also been to Fresno County a few times because it's where Sequoia Nat'l Forest/King's Canyon Nat'l Park is, and it seemed neither here nor there. Inyo County and even Riverside County seem worse from my experience.

    I've been waiting for someone to post CA's all morning. Thank you. :)

    I had a suspicion it would would be a central valley county based on what folks were posting, but I expected Madera county. I grew up in Fresno (city) and my stepmoms folks lived up in Madera (city). There's no comparison IMO. But considering all the farmland in the county, I can see it.

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  • imagepenguingrrl:
    I'm a little surprised by NJ, although I admittedly know very little about Cumberland County. I expected Camden County since Camden is so scary, although many of the surrounding suburbs are quite affluent, so I guess that throws the county off that list

    Yup, towns like Moorestown, Marlton, Cherry Hill are in Camden County so that's probably what throws it off. Same thing with Essex County - yes there is Newark and the Oranges, but there is also Millburn, the Caldwells, Essex Fells, etc. 

    I love how the average HHI in the poorest county in NJ is still almost 50K. 

    :)
  • Well Rhode Island only has 5 counties. The poorest is Providence, but Providence also has some wealthy neighborhoods. I don't know if Providence county includes places like Pawtucket or Central Falls which are certainly hurting. In any case, Providence county still has a median income of $45K so its not too bad. 
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  • imageIheartCosmos:

    imagepenguingrrl:
    I'm a little surprised by NJ, although I admittedly know very little about Cumberland County. I expected Camden County since Camden is so scary, although many of the surrounding suburbs are quite affluent, so I guess that throws the county off that list

    Yup, towns like Moorestown, Marlton, Cherry Hill are in Camden County so that's probably what throws it off. Same thing with Essex County - yes there is Newark and the Oranges, but there is also Millburn, the Caldwells, Essex Fells, etc. 

    I love how the average HHI in the poorest county in NJ is still almost 50K. 

    Are you sure about that? I think some of them might be in Burlington County. I grew up in Mt. Laurel which is most definitely in Burlington County. I think Marlton & Moorestown might be Burlington County - but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.  

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    imageIheartCosmos:

    imagepenguingrrl:
    I'm a little surprised by NJ, although I admittedly know very little about Cumberland County. I expected Camden County since Camden is so scary, although many of the surrounding suburbs are quite affluent, so I guess that throws the county off that list

    Yup, towns like Moorestown, Marlton, Cherry Hill are in Camden County so that's probably what throws it off. Same thing with Essex County - yes there is Newark and the Oranges, but there is also Millburn, the Caldwells, Essex Fells, etc. 

    I love how the average HHI in the poorest county in NJ is still almost 50K. 

    Are you sure about that? I think some of them might be in Burlington County. I grew up in Mt. Laurel which is most definitely in Burlington County. I think Marlton & Moorestown might be Burlington County - but feel free to correct me if I am wrong.  

    Ok I looked it up. Marlton and Cherry Hill are Camden County, but you are right, Moorestown in Burlington.

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  • imageLoveTrains:
    Well Rhode Island only has 5 counties. The poorest is Providence, but Providence also has some wealthy neighborhoods. I don't know if Providence county includes places like Pawtucket or Central Falls which are certainly hurting. In any case, Providence county still has a median income of $45K so its not too bad. 

    Thank you for posting, because there was no way I was going through that slideshow to get to theh R's to find out what I already thought I knew!

    Providence does include Pawtucket, Central Falls and Woonsocket as well as Providence, so basically the largest most urban areas...

    Wait, you said RI has 5 counties?  Maybe I'm wrong then because I thought it was only 4 - Providence, Kent for central, Washington in the south and Bristol County for anything east bay?

    Damn, I'm going to have to look this up now.

  • imageIheartCosmos:

    imagepenguingrrl:
    I'm a little surprised by NJ, although I admittedly know very little about Cumberland County. I expected Camden County since Camden is so scary, although many of the surrounding suburbs are quite affluent, so I guess that throws the county off that list

    Yup, towns like Moorestown, Marlton, Cherry Hill are in Camden County so that's probably what throws it off. Same thing with Essex County - yes there is Newark and the Oranges, but there is also Millburn, the Caldwells, Essex Fells, etc. 

    I love how the average HHI in the poorest county in NJ is still almost 50K. 

    We're actually moving to Moorestown in about 11 weeks Smile, but they're Burlington Cty, not Camden. Cherry Hill is affluent, but compared to the area of Coastal Monmouth I'm from houses look so cheap. It's very sad to me, though, that the area surrounding Camden is affluent when there's such awful poverty right there. Once we're settled in the area I'm hoping to get involved somehow to help the Camden residents (thinking small, volunteering in a soup kitchen type stuff, but at least it's something) because I would feel awful living so close that the residents are practically neighbors but leading such different lives.

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  • imagemsmerymac:
    imagedoctorwho:
    imagemxolisi:

    So having clicked through all 52 I now know that if a state has any Native American to speak of the place(s) where they are concentrated will be poorest. Not surprising. 

    I think I've been to at least 6-7 of these counties for recreational purposes. Good hiking/kayaking destinations tend to be pretty destitute it seems.  

    Not necessarily. I haven't liked at the slideshow because, well, it sounds tedious, but NYs NA concentration is not in the Bronx, its in Suffolk, AFAIK. I'm sure it is not as sizeable as other places, but it is definitely a presence, since e east end isn't as densely populated, and swathes h of it is only populated in summer.

    The Suffolk reservation has 271 residents, and Shinnecock is about 500.

    So far, it looks like the Tuscarora reservation might be the biggest at 1152: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuscarora_Reservation

    But it's in Niagara County, which isn't very rural. At least, it's part of the Buffalo-Niagara statistical area.

    ETA: St. Regis in Mohawk County is over 3000. Cattarugus is almost 2500, but that's also near Erie/Cattaraugus/Chatauqua counties, which is basically Buffalo.

    Huh.  I guess its the LI tribe that dominates the news b/c of the recent recognition as a tribe, and the casino workers union in CT trying to block it.   Or it could just be the perpetual media blind spot for anything above Westchester.  I stand corrected:  the downstate concentration is Suffolk, not the Bronx. 

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  • imagemarie427:
    Bronx County, which actually does surprise me. I know there are seriously impoverished neighborhoods in the Bronx, but I would have assumed affluent areas like Riverdale would have skewed the results upward. I was expecting a rural, less populous county in Northern New York to show up.

    I had the same thoughts as you.  Yes there is a lot of poverty here, but also a lot of wealth, as well as a decent amount of middle class.  Riverdale has a plethora of million dollar homes, both SFHs and condos/coops.  Sadly, I don't live in one.

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  • imagemeshaliu:
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    CA is Fresno County, which kind of surprised me. I would have expected one of the more rural counties, and there are a lot, both in the Eastern Sierras/on the Nevada border, and also up north of Sacramento towards the Oregon border. I've also been to Fresno County a few times because it's where Sequoia Nat'l Forest/King's Canyon Nat'l Park is, and it seemed neither here nor there. Inyo County and even Riverside County seem worse from my experience.

    I've been waiting for someone to post CA's all morning. Thank you. :)

    I had a suspicion it would would be a central valley county based on what folks were posting, but I expected Madera county. I grew up in Fresno (city) and my stepmoms folks lived up in Madera (city). There's no comparison IMO. But considering all the farmland in the county, I can see it.

    Fresno county also has a high foreclosure rate, so I guess I'm not all that surprised.  I would have maybe guessed Imperial (which I think had the highest unemployment rate in the nation at one point?) or Kern or Inyo, or maybe something up north like Butte.

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  • I doubt your brother would fare as well as a seasonal landscape entreprenuer if he were living in say, Lake County.  Have you ever even just driven through Gary?  I would like to know the details in which this article is basing these results.  Monroe County seems like a far cry from the most poverty-stricken county in Indiana.  Everytinme I drive through Bloomington, all I see is more construction.

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