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The lovely, non-racist, non-violent South...

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  • Are we seriously still debating if the South in its entirety needs a modifier like the word "fwcking?" 

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  • imagemysticporter:
    imagetartaruga:

    It's not even just about racism. It's also about guns. It's not just my opinion that the south has overall some pretty lax gun laws and a gun culture that other regions don't have. There's a reason that it's virtually impossible to get a permit for a concealed handgun in New York City but in Atlanta all you really have to do is go and ask for one.

    I just don't see people confronting other they think *might* be criminals with guns in other parts of the country as often.

    In Alaska, you don't need a special permit to carry concealed at all.  New Hampshire has some of the most lax gun laws in the country.  As of 2010 DC led any state in the number of forearms murders per member of the population.  Lousiana comes next...followed by Missouri and Maryland (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state).

     

    Looking at the list of the 20 deadliest gun states, nearly every single state in the South is on there: Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

    That number includes both number of gun deaths per capita as well as the severity of the state's gun laws. 

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  • imageDruidPrincess:

    Are we seriously still debating if the South in its entirety needs a modifier like the word "fwcking?" 

    OK it's fixed. 

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  • imagemysticporter:
    imagetartaruga:

    It's not even just about racism. It's also about guns. It's not just my opinion that the south has overall some pretty lax gun laws and a gun culture that other regions don't have. There's a reason that it's virtually impossible to get a permit for a concealed handgun in New York City but in Atlanta all you really have to do is go and ask for one.

    I just don't see people confronting other they think *might* be criminals with guns in other parts of the country as often.

    In Alaska, you don't need a special permit to carry concealed at all.  New Hampshire has some of the most lax gun laws in the country.  As of 2010 DC led any state in the number of firearms murders per member of the population.  Lousiana comes next...followed by Missouri and Maryland (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state).

    ETA:  fixed typo again.  My fingers are not awake yet today.

    This stat is flawed.


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  • imagetartaruga:
    imageDruidPrincess:

    Are we seriously still debating if the South in its entirety needs a modifier like the word "fwcking?" 

    OK it's fixed. 

    Confused

    please.  if this story, to you, was just about yet another armed southern yahoo dipshiit bigot that exemplifies the region as a whole, then own it.  the sarcastic title-change is a little precious.

    kiss it, nest.
  • I'm pretty sure Alaska is an honorary Southern state anyway.  You're allowed to hunt from a helicopter there.

    IMO DC is a special case because it is solely made up of an urban area.  It's not a state like any other in that it has heavy population centers balanced with suburbs and rural areas.  That would skew the data.

     


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  • I cannot roll my eyes hard enough at the title change.  Whatever point you may have had is now lost entirely.  Nice going.

     

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  • imagetartaruga:
    imagemysticporter:
    imagetartaruga:

    It's not even just about racism. It's also about guns. It's not just my opinion that the south has overall some pretty lax gun laws and a gun culture that other regions don't have. There's a reason that it's virtually impossible to get a permit for a concealed handgun in New York City but in Atlanta all you really have to do is go and ask for one.

    I just don't see people confronting other they think *might* be criminals with guns in other parts of the country as often.

    In Alaska, you don't need a special permit to carry concealed at all.  New Hampshire has some of the most lax gun laws in the country.  As of 2010 DC led any state in the number of forearms murders per member of the population.  Lousiana comes next...followed by Missouri and Maryland (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state).

     

    Looking at the list of the 20 deadliest gun states, nearly every single state in the South is on there: Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

    That number includes both number of gun deaths per capita as well as the severity of the state's gun laws. 

    A Daily Beast article with a "simple" methodology they don't fully disclose where they somehow mix and match CDC gun deaths per capita and a firearm law ranking system?

    Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Idaho and Missouri are all in the top 20, also.  Fwucking Wild West?   Or perhaps it has something to do with the CDC figure being gun deaths, not gun murders, which means it includes suicides and gun accidents that are typically higher in rural areas.

     


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    imagetartaruga:
    imageDruidPrincess:

    Are we seriously still debating if the South in its entirety needs a modifier like the word "fwcking?" 

    OK it's fixed. 

    Confused

    please.  if this story, to you, was just about yet another armed southern yahoo dipshiit bigot that exemplifies the region as a whole, then own it.  the sarcastic title-change is a little precious.

    It's starting to have the potential to hawkeye.


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  • imagemysticporter:
    imagetartaruga:
    imagemysticporter:
    imagetartaruga:

    It's not even just about racism. It's also about guns. It's not just my opinion that the south has overall some pretty lax gun laws and a gun culture that other regions don't have. There's a reason that it's virtually impossible to get a permit for a concealed handgun in New York City but in Atlanta all you really have to do is go and ask for one.

    I just don't see people confronting other they think *might* be criminals with guns in other parts of the country as often.

    In Alaska, you don't need a special permit to carry concealed at all.  New Hampshire has some of the most lax gun laws in the country.  As of 2010 DC led any state in the number of forearms murders per member of the population.  Lousiana comes next...followed by Missouri and Maryland (http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/2011/jan/10/gun-crime-us-state).

     

    Looking at the list of the 20 deadliest gun states, nearly every single state in the South is on there: Mississippi, Arkansas, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Kentucky, West Virginia

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

    That number includes both number of gun deaths per capita as well as the severity of the state's gun laws. 

    A Daily Beast article with a "simple" methodology they don't fully disclose where they somehow mix and match CDC gun deaths per capita and a firearm law ranking system?

    Arizona, New Mexico, Nevada, Montana, Wyoming, Oklahoma, Idaho and Missouri are all in the top 20, also.  Fwucking Wild West?   Or perhaps it has something to do with the CDC figure being gun deaths, not gun murders, which means it includes suicides and gun accidents that are typically higher in rural areas.

     

    What's not disclosed about it? It's stated pretty explicitly. 

    Again. I didn't say that no other state has guns. I said that the south has a gun culture and overall lax gun laws. And it leads to things like, say, holding your neighbors at gunpoint because you don't believe they own their house (and why don't you believe they own their house? it couldn't possibly be related to what they look like...).

    Saying that a specific region has certain problems and characteristics isn't the same as saying that no other region has those. 

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  • imagetartaruga:

    Saying that a specific region has certain problems and characteristics isn't the same as saying that no other region has those. 

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  • imagemeshaliu:

    ?There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same,? he said.

    That broke my heart. I hope the neighbors are arrested and charged.

    how can it possibly be that they wouldn't be arrested and charged?

    They went, uninvited, onto somebody else's property and held a fwcking gun to the owner's head.

    How in the name of all that's holy is that NOT something that should put them in the pokey?  Because they thought they were doing the right thing??? I'm guessing the majority of people who break into people's houses to steal stuff and end up holding a gun to somebody's head thought it was what they needed to do to buy baby diapers. Why shouldn't they be treated the same??

     

    ...and I'm LOLing at the "fwcking south" conversation. If you don't realize that the south has a long history of racial issues and intolerance that are deeper, longer and more tenacious than other areas of the country, you're delusional, ignorant, or both.

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  • ...and I'm LOLing at the "fwcking south" conversation. If you don't realize that the south has a long history of racial issues and intolerance that are deeper, longer and more tenacious than other areas of the country, you're delusional, ignorant, or both.

    Well, things like this post and sweeping, stereotyping generalizations?  Will certainly go a long way towards healing all of that, for sure! 

    lol.


     

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  • imagemominatrix:
    imagemeshaliu:
    ?There, they put me down with the gun to my head, and come here, the same,? he said.

    That broke my heart. I hope the neighbors are arrested and charged.

    how can it possibly be that they wouldn't be arrested and charged?

    They went, uninvited, onto somebody else's property and held a fwcking gun to the owner's head.

    How in the name of all that's holy is that NOT something that should put them in the pokey?  Because they thought they were doing the right thing??? I'm guessing the majority of people who break into people's houses to steal stuff and end up holding a gun to somebody's head thought it was what they needed to do to buy baby diapers. Why shouldn't they be treated the same??

    Really, there shouldn't be any question. They should be arrested and charged.

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    ...and I'm LOLing at the "fwcking south" conversation. If you don't realize that the south has a long history of racial issues and intolerance that are deeper, longer and more tenacious than other areas of the country, you're delusional, ignorant, or both.

    Well thank CHRIST there are people out there who wouldn't propagate stereotypes by using a mammoth paintbrush to slap an offensive descriptive word onto an entire section of the nation.  /sarcasm

    You have got to be ****ing kidding me with that shiz.  If any poster were to come on here with a thread about ****ing Harlem, ****ing Indian Reservations or ****ing Chinatown, that would be right as rain?  

    It was a fwck up.  We've all done it.  Pretending it's NBD is asinine, and there are many who agree (if you'd like a citation, please read the remainder of this thread).   

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  • imagemominatrix:

    ...and I'm LOLing at the "fwcking south" conversation. If you don't realize that the south has a long history of racial issues and intolerance that are deeper, longer and more tenacious than other areas of the country, you're delusional, ignorant, or both.

    well slap my ass and call me shirley.  i had no idea!  it must be all that time i spent north of the mason-dixon where there is absolutely no racial tension whatsoever!  i forgot that there was such a thing as this, how do you say?, racism.

     

    one can be both informed and astute about history and about current conditions and annoyed at overgeneralizations.  it's totes possible. 

    kiss it, nest.
  • imagemominatrix:

    ...and I'm LOLing at the "fwcking south" conversation. If you don't realize that the south has a long history of racial issues and intolerance that are deeper, longer and more tenacious than other areas of the country, you're delusional, ignorant, or both.

    Are you fuuking kidding me with this?

    Yes, I guess my black, NJ born ass is both delusional and ignorant given that imo, the only difference between southern racism and the rest of the country is that in the south, it was legislated, open, and obvious. Every where else was just more sly about it.



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    imagemominatrix:

    ...and I'm LOLing at the "fwcking south" conversation. If you don't realize that the south has a long history of racial issues and intolerance that are deeper, longer and more tenacious than other areas of the country, you're delusional, ignorant, or both.

    Are you fuuking kidding me with this?

    Yes, I guess my black, NJ born ass is both delusional and ignorant given that imo, the only difference between southern racism and the rest of the country is that in the south, it was legislated, open, and obvious. Every where else was just more sly about it.

    Exactly. It also tends to surprise me how often racist events outside of the south are treated like anomalies (or not even worth widespread national coverage), whereas racism in the south is generally recognized as reflecting unresolved problems with racism.  Case in point, the attention on the Treyvon Martin case vs. the Kenneth Chamberlain case. 


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  • I cannot believe that we are debating and splitting hairs over "the south" as opposed to being outraged over the actual content of the article. 

    Point.

    Missed.

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    Point.

    Missed.

    I'd say so.

    Because threads can't have tangent points.  But vitriol toward large demographic or geographic groups of people... meh. 

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  • imagelyssbobiss:

    I cannot believe that we are debating and splitting hairs over "the south" as opposed to being outraged over the actual content of the article. 

    Point.

    Missed.

    Riiiiight.  If someone wants the post to be about the actual content of the article, she shouldn't title the post "***** South".  Hell, she even changed the title of the post to mock people after we pointed out it's BS to stereotype an entire region of people.  If the point is to talk about the actual content of the article, a good place to start is a title that's actually about the content of the article, not some random holier-than-thou insult.


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  • imagemysticporter:
    imagelyssbobiss:

    I cannot believe that we are debating and splitting hairs over "the south" as opposed to being outraged over the actual content of the article. 

    Point.

    Missed.

    Riiiiight.  If someone wants the post to be about the actual content of the article, she shouldn't title the post "***** South".  Hell, she even changed the title of the post to mock people after we pointed out it's BS to stereotype an entire region of people.  If the point is to talk about the actual content of the article, a good place to start is a title that's actually about the content of the article, not some random holier-than-thou insult.

    And I think it's splitting hairs to get pissy over the fact that someone pointed out that yes, the south has a long and disgusting history of intolerance and racism.  So what if you also live in the south?  So do I.  I'd rather get angry at what actually happened.

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  • imagelyssbobiss:

    And I think it's splitting hairs to get pissy over the fact that someone pointed out that yes, the south has a long and disgusting history of intolerance and racism.  So what if you also live in the south?  So do I.  I'd rather get angry at what actually happened.

    I'm assuming you'd have no problem with a post about Mexican drug violence being titled "**** Mexico"?  I would, and I don't even live there.

    Being annoyed over the title of the post doesn't diminish being angry over what happened.  I have the capacity for both.


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