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Re: Junior Seau found dead of allegedly self-inflicted gun shot wound.
There's no excuse for him not to exhaust all options to deal with this - alleged - depression. He had kids. He was obligated to get 2nd, 3rd, 99th opinions to get him on a rough path to heal himself. He was only 43. He obviously didn't take enough time to tackle (pun!!) his issues.
For the sh!t his kids must now deal with for the rest of their lives, I have ZERO sympathy for whatever mental illness he 'may' have been dealing with. If nothing else, kids should give one at least SOME/enough perspective amid this potential illness.
ETA: He'll go down in history for being so dang tough. When we all now know, he was really fvckings weak.
But if someone has a mental illness, then they might not be thinking logically like the rest of us.
Just like if someone's leg is broken, they probably won't be able to sprint down the road. If someone's brain is broken, they probably won't be able to think logically about what they're doing and the consequences.
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Perhaps that's the case. At this point, as far as I know, we're all resorting to mere speculation. And some of my speculation is that he was a victim of steroid withdrawal, of which he brought upon himself - even if it made it impossible for him to think clearly. And if he didn't reach out to some of his, presumably, many friends/acquaintances during one of his, however fleeting, moments of cognizance, then I place all the more blame on him for his selfishness.
Just because we have different opinions here doesn't mean I'm oblivious to the harm depression can put one through. That's almost like trying to dismiss an opinion about kids because the person giving it is childless.
I really meant it. Hell, I have depression, and if you'd asked me a year ago, my opinion probably would've been really close to yours. I'm not trying to be dismissive. I'm just saying it's not a matter of taking charge in a cognitive moment. You can have all the desire in the world to fix it, to fix yourself. You can even go out and try to get help in numerous ways. It doesn't mean it'll work.
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This is so tragic. How sad.
And to this:
As someone who lost a family member to suicide, all I'm going to say is I sure as hope there is NOT a hell that he can rot in. I hope he finds peace wherever he is, and I hope his family can find peace in their own time.
As others have pointed out, people don't commit suicide for sh!ts and giggles, and while you may think he should have done more to exhaust his options, you don't know his mental state or if he was even capable of thinking clearly enough to be able to even realize he had options.
Are you saying that you can imagine a scenario of which suicide was his actual best option?
If not, then of course you're simply empathizing with his inability to think straight to get the correct sort of treatment (whatever that may have been) available. I can understand that empathy, but it's not mutually exclusive to him, ultimately, being a selfish bastard here.
Just because we can understand how difficult a certain struggle 'can' be doesn't mean his suicide is at all justified. And if it isn't justified, then he most certainly deserves a good amount of accountability for his selfishness.
Dylanite, I don't even know what else to say.
I should save this thread for the next time someone says there isn't a stigma attached to mental illness anymore.
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Ok...
I agree with this. But it doesn't excuse a damn thing regarding him not looking within enough to determine that he had to reach out somehow. Ignorance isn't an excuse to taking away a child's parent.
thefvck, Dynalite?
Very sorry I opened this thread.
"You don't get to be all puke-face about your kid shooting your undead baby daddy when all you had to do was KEEP HIM IN THE FLUCKING HOUSE, LORI!" - doctorwho
Am I supposed to be sorry or something?
This is the most ridiculous post I've ever read. So full of anger and no compassion or empathy.
You should read up on CTE and the work that the BU CTSE program is doing.
He was very likely brain damaged. He was most certainly mentally ill. You can't tell someone who's paralyzed to just get up and walk. And you can't tell someone who is brain injured or mentally ill to snap out of it and be normal. These people are living their lives in incredible pain. I can't imagine what it's like and I certainly can't judge.
Anything you can achieve through hard work, you could also just buy.
- '...Very Likely...'
- Lazy analogy to paralysis
- 'I can't imagine what it's like'
Well done.
Not being quite so d!ckish when you actually know that there are people on this board - whom you interact with on a daily basis - who struggle with mental illness, and with severe depression, specifically, might be nice.
But whatever, it's the interwebz, right?
"You don't get to be all puke-face about your kid shooting your undead baby daddy when all you had to do was KEEP HIM IN THE FLUCKING HOUSE, LORI!" - doctorwho
Right.
Did you know Junior Seau? Were you related to him? Did your Dad commit suicide? Because, if not, I can't understand why you're so angry about his suicide, which seemingly has ZERO effect on your life.
No, no, and... None of your business.. The empathy I lack for Seau is compensated by the empathy I have for his kids. But my answers to your questions should be irrelevant to you. One doesn't have to be black to understand why the civil rights movement(s) are necessary. It's funny that I'm told I lack compassion here when that is what's solely driving my position.
I have compassion for anyone who feels so desperate and alone that they would resort to suicide. I also have compassion for the children left behind to hurt.
The two aren't mutually exclusive.
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I don't understand why one can't have sympathy for both the deceased and his family members. Obviously something was going on in his life that was so bad that he couldn't consider surviving for one.more.minute. How horrible that must be.
And saying that someone who probably suffers from mental illness and commits suicide is weak is so beyond offensive. People who suffer like that have to summon every ounce of strength they have to even get out of bed in the morning. It's not called 'mental weakness', it's called 'mental illness'. It's a sickness so sick that many people don't even know they have it.
Good one?
It's a message board, filled with opinions. Accept it and move on. I'm not here, in this thread, to argue anyone. That's why I didn't come out and argue anyone here. But when you call bullish!t on a person who is the only one who knows where they're coming from, you kind of look silly. But hey, maybe you have an anecdote to justify your speculating what's in my head.