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  • imagepeggyguggenex:
    I'm not going to give you details of my current situation, but in a completely different state, I have made 2 offer on houses that were well below their price point, BOTH offers were accepted. You truly want to insist you're right when all you are is disagreeable.

     The panic of 3 years ago has subsided, yes, but all that panic has also made sellers realistic to what they can get for their house, hence accepting lower offers, since most houses have been grossly over-priced for the last 20 years to begin with. I mean, do you even read the news...at all? did you ever make an offer on more than one house? I bet you haven't. I've been in an active market for 3 years.

     And who is making the OP hate anyone? Do you have a screw loose?

     Don't judge an entire market because you're tight about paying asking price. That's not anyone's problem but your own..honestly.

    The bottom line is that there are a lot of sellers who are unrealistic about the worth of their house, and most of the time they're brought down quick and brutally. It's not a nice sight. 

    I'm sort of done here because it seems like you have some other issues that I'm not aware of, but:

    - I don't disagree with you, there are places where people are taking far less than asking. I just don't think you can automatically assume that OP is in one of them. I haven't made any sweeping statements about the market as a whole - I'm from South Florida originally, where you can't give houses away.

    -  We actually made offers on three houses and all three had bidding wars within 36 hours of the houses being listed. All went for asking or higher. A house similar in size and style but 10 years older and less updated just went under contract in 24 hours for 10% higher than what we paid.

  • imagepeggyguggenex:

    btw the market in NEW JERSEY is crap. You must be kidding.

     

    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-08/nj-has-backlog-of-up-to-100k-foreclosures.html

     

    fact.

    I live in PA.

  • imagepeggyguggenex:
    btw the market in NEW JERSEY is crap. You must be kidding.
    You have no business giving advice on this board, as you clearly don't know what you're talking about. Poster after poster has said how their market is a sellers market RIGHT NOW, and you keep making these baseless generalizations. Just stop. Hopefully everyone actually looking to make an offer consults their realtor and not the nest. Your strategy of making a series of lowball offers to cut unrealistic sellers down to size would not work in my market. And I don't live in NJ, DC, or Seattle.
  • imagepeggyguggenex:

    Everyone knows this is a cliquey site. I know. I've been a member on and off for over 10 years, s.f.o.

     

    I'm not going to give you details of my current situation, but in a completely different state, I have made 2 offer on houses that were well below their price point, BOTH offers were accepted. You truly want to insist you're right when all you are is disagreeable.

     The panic of 3 years ago has subsided, yes, but all that panic has also made sellers realistic to what they can get for their house, hence accepting lower offers, since most houses have been grossly over-priced for the last 20 years to begin with. I mean, do you even read the news...at all? did you ever make an offer on more than one house? I bet you haven't. I've been in an active market for 3 years.

     And who is making the OP hate anyone? Do you have a screw loose?

     Don't judge an entire market because you're tight about paying asking price. That's not anyone's problem but your own..honestly.

    The bottom line is that there are a lot of sellers who are unrealistic about the worth of their house, and most of the time they're brought down quick and brutally. It's not a nice sight. 

    Okay, you're getting more than a little riled up here. No one said they were "right" and that how things were in their market is indicative of what is going on in the market where the OP lives. People were simply pointing out that the sellers may not be a-holes because they may have priced their house right and live in an area where the market is good right now. They were giving examples of other similar areas where this is going on. Could the sellers be a-holes? Sure, maybe. Could they know they can get what they're asking? Maybe. We don't know.

    Yes, there are a lot of sellers who are unrealistic about the worth of their house, but there are also a lot of sellers who have their houses priced to sell. We don't know exactly the situation the OP is experiencing because we don't know where she lives or anything about the house she was looking at. But I don't see how assuming and telling her the sellers are a-holes is any more supportive than telling her to not take the process personally.

  • I'm sorry your initial offer didn't go as planned. As some PPs have noted, offers really depend on your local market. When you looked at comps, were they sold near your offer amount? If so, and your offer was in line with the comps, it may be a case of a seller that is not fully in touch with the realities of todays market. If your offer was significantly lower than the comps, maybe you need to sweeten it up a bit. You can always wait it out and then re-offer in a few more weeks when the seller may be more ready to negotiate. And in the mean time you may find another house that is a better fit. the beauty of the market is that there will always be another house that you will love.

    And when the deal is right, things will fall into place. I say this as someone who has been through 3 failed contracts and has been in the market since January 2011. Don't lose hope. It will all work out exactly how it is supposed to. We are on contract 4, and we are astonished at how smoothly everything is going. It's like it was meant to be.

  • imagecarlab44:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    Everyone knows this is a cliquey site. I know. I've been a member on and off for over 10 years, s.f.o.

     

    I'm not going to give you details of my current situation, but in a completely different state, I have made 2 offer on houses that were well below their price point, BOTH offers were accepted. You truly want to insist you're right when all you are is disagreeable.

     The panic of 3 years ago has subsided, yes, but all that panic has also made sellers realistic to what they can get for their house, hence accepting lower offers, since most houses have been grossly over-priced for the last 20 years to begin with. I mean, do you even read the news...at all? did you ever make an offer on more than one house? I bet you haven't. I've been in an active market for 3 years.

     And who is making the OP hate anyone? Do you have a screw loose?

     Don't judge an entire market because you're tight about paying asking price. That's not anyone's problem but your own..honestly.

    The bottom line is that there are a lot of sellers who are unrealistic about the worth of their house, and most of the time they're brought down quick and brutally. It's not a nice sight. 

    Okay, you're getting more than a little riled up here. No one said they were "right" and that how things were in their market is indicative of what is going on in the market where the OP lives. People were simply pointing out that the sellers may not be a-holes because they may have priced their house right and live in an area where the market is good right now. They were giving examples of other similar areas where this is going on. Could the sellers be a-holes? Sure, maybe. Could they know they can get what they're asking? Maybe. We don't know.

    Yes, there are a lot of sellers who are unrealistic about the worth of their house, but there are also a lot of sellers who have their houses priced to sell. We don't know exactly the situation the OP is experiencing because we don't know where she lives or anything about the house she was looking at. But I don't see how assuming and telling her the sellers are a-holes is any more supportive than telling her to not take the process personally.

     

    Do you bother reading at all before you post?

     

    Let me repost my remark concerning the a-hole comment:

     

     

    I'm trying to give this girl hope and support. Perhaps the person really isn't an A-hole in real life, but that's what you say to someone who's been crushed and is looking for supporters to be on their side. God. Does everything have to be explained to you people here? It's like 99.5% of the members here are either immature or simpletons. There are about a handful of members here who really get it. 

     

     

    Do you at least get the jest of that? at least a little?

  • imagepeggyguggenex:

    Do you at least get the jest of that? at least a little?

    I'm guessing you meant gist, although jest does seem more appropriate given how this thread has turned out.

    OP, I'm sorry your post has turned into a back and forth like this. Good luck in finding a home. 

  • imagecarlab44:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    Do you at least get the jest of that? at least a little?

    I'm guessing you meant gist, although jest does seem more appropriate given how this thread has turned out.

    OP, I'm sorry your post has turned into a back and forth like this. Good luck in finding a home. 

     

    God you're dense and obtuse. Jest is exactly how it was intended to be taken. Jest as in  good-natured ridicule; taunt. Funny how you tried correcting me. How rich. lol

    Don't say sorry, because you're not. If you were and had half a brain, you would've kept it shut, but like most cowards here, you post, run, then apologize to OP. Old trick. 

     

    OP, get used to it, because that's the way it is with most of the threads here. 


  • imagepeggyguggenex:

    That's odd because in the region I live in, note that I say region, not area, the houses sell for well below asking price, and the houses a very nice, antique, some more modern homes, but mostly upper middle class peppered in areas with multi-million $ homes which aren't for sale.. Which is why some sellers list it high because they know they're going to have to come down.

    That's why it's always good to try, doesn't hurt to make an offer. Perhaps the seller is attached, and you shouldn't allow that to reflect on future offers because you'd be surprised how many sellers want anyone to just make an offer, any offer. Same happened to us when we sold TWO houses over 3 years ago, we just wanted anyone to make an offer. Took a 30k hit on one of the houses that was listed in the 250 k range...that's a big hit in that price range. Then took a couple hundie k hit on a beach house that went from 900k to 700 and change k. So don't give up hope. If you see a house that is slightly out of your price range, go for it you have nothing to lose.

     

    In my 'region' houses are absolutely selling for listing price and over. We have put offers in on several houses which ended up as bidding wars. Houses in our area are selling in a matter of days, some the day of listing.

    It really does depend on your area, how many houses are for sale in your area vs buyers, what time of year it is, how your local economy is doing etc etc.

    You simply cannot compare housing markets in one area to another, it's not logical or woth arguing over to prove a point, especially when you are giving examples from three years ago and presumably from a completely different area of the country. I think you just need to simmer down and realise that your selling experience isn't necessarily going to be relevant to anyone elses experience.

    I'm all for giving people support, but giving people informed facts tends to help a lot more than telling people exactly what you think they want to hear.

     

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  • It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


  • imagepeggyguggenex:

    It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


     

    Ok well I'm also going to bow out of this thread. I'm not going to sit here while you spout obscenities at people, it's very immature and unnecessary.

     OP, I hope everything works out the way you want it to.

     

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  • imagecmc87:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


     

    Ok well I'm also going to bow out of this thread. I'm not going to sit here while you spout obscenities at people, it's very immature and unnecessary.

     OP, I hope everything works out the way you want it to.

     

     

    Obscenities? Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word before misusing it.

  • imagepeggyguggenex:
    imagecmc87:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


     

    Ok well I'm also going to bow out of this thread. I'm not going to sit here while you spout obscenities at people, it's very immature and unnecessary.

     OP, I hope everything works out the way you want it to.

     

     

    Obscenities? Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word before misusing it.

    1. pompous
    1. one whom of which is full of pomp.

    2. a self absorbed person.

    3. an elitist pig, usually found inflating her/his ego to the point of nausea.

    4. a self proclaimed stately person, commonly found talking down to others whom of which are typically in a higher intelligence quotient bracket.
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  • imagepeggyguggenex:

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

    So, was the use of "wan" intentional like the use of "jest"?  I need you to lay it out for me because I am an imbecile.  Thanks.

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  • imagepeggyguggenex:
    imagecmc87:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


     

    Ok well I'm also going to bow out of this thread. I'm not going to sit here while you spout obscenities at people, it's very immature and unnecessary.

     OP, I hope everything works out the way you want it to.

     

     

    Obscenities? Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word before misusing it.

    Why are you so snatchy? Talk about not taking it so personally...

  • imagepeggyguggenex:

    It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


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  • imagepeggyguggenex:
    imagecmc87:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


     

    Ok well I'm also going to bow out of this thread. I'm not going to sit here while you spout obscenities at people, it's very immature and unnecessary.

     OP, I hope everything works out the way you want it to.

     

     

    Obscenities? Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word before misusing it.

    Peggy needs a stiff drink, chill pill & a crash course in real estate. 

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  • imageBettyBookworm:
    imagepeggyguggenex:
    imagecmc87:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    It's not just three years ago, nitwit. Does anyone bother reading the entire thread? I SAID 3 years ago I sold 2 houses. IN THIS LAST YEAR 2011-2012 I have made offers on TWO houses that have been well below asking and accepted but didn't go through due to inspections.

     There's no need for me to "simmer down", because I am simply correcting the stupidity that comes out of the likes of you.

     

    No one has explained why it hurts anyone to make a low offer, if there aren't other offers on the table, providing the house has been on the market, because i assume you all have enough common sense to know we're not discussing houses that have just been listed or houses in Seattle with a trillion offers, which seem to be going like hot cakes.

     

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

     


     

    Ok well I'm also going to bow out of this thread. I'm not going to sit here while you spout obscenities at people, it's very immature and unnecessary.

     OP, I hope everything works out the way you want it to.

     

     

    Obscenities? Perhaps you should look up the definition of the word before misusing it.

    Peggy needs a stiff drink, chill pill & a crash course in real estate. 

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  • imagelyssbobiss:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

     

    I say if you like a house and it's been on the market for at least 5-6 mo. make a low offer, and you will be surprised how many sellers just wan to end it and move on.

    So, was the use of "wan" intentional like the use of "jest"?  I need you to lay it out for me because I am an imbecile.  Thanks.

    I believe "wan" was a typo. I think that Peggy was trying to write "want" but the "t" was left off. It may have easily happened since the word after it began with a "t". HTH.

    Peggy, I have to agree with most of what you've said here. (Although, I don't agree with your tone.) I tried to sell my modular a few years back and when someone offered 15% below asking, I took it. I do think that you're right about these ladies being in some sort of real estate cult.

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     I do think that you're right about these ladies being in some sort of real estate cult.

    Mona 

     

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  • imagepeggyguggenex:

     

    Everyone knows this is a cliquey site. I know. I've been a member on and off for over 10 years, s.f.o.

     

    That's hilarious, because thenest.com launched in March 2005. 

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  • imagekristinanddan:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    The real estate market is not the same nation wide and you can't assume that the seller is unrealistic. Some areas are sellers' markets -- ours is heading in that direction. If a house is reasonably priced here there is NO WAY a seller would take 90% of asking.  Most homes in good condition are going for 97% to 100% (sometimes slightly higher than 100%) of asking. They're going under contract in less than a week.

     
     
     
     

    ok, fair enough but we'll see how long their house sits on the market.

     

    Askin' ain't gettin'. 


    There is a poster on MM who listed her house and within days had multiple offers. The house sold for MORE THAN asking. Clearly, your blanket statements are meaningless.

    Said MMer checking in :-)

    We went under contract within 48 hours and sold our house for $25k more than asking. We also were in a bidding war (and are paying more than asking) on our new house. That's our local market.

    Whether the OP's offer was realistic or insulting depends entirely on her local RE climate.
     
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  • imagepeggyguggenex:
    imagecarlab44:
    imagepeggyguggenex:

    Do you at least get the jest of that? at least a little?

    I'm guessing you meant gist, although jest does seem more appropriate given how this thread has turned out.

    OP, I'm sorry your post has turned into a back and forth like this. Good luck in finding a home. 

     

    God you're dense and obtuse. Jest is exactly how it was intended to be taken. Jest as in  good-natured ridicule; taunt. Funny how you tried correcting me. How rich. lol

    Don't say sorry, because you're not. If you were and had half a brain, you would've kept it shut, but like most cowards here, you post, run, then apologize to OP. Old trick. 

     

    OP, get used to it, because that's the way it is with most of the threads here. 


    This is hilarious.

    While your definition of "jest" is correct, your use of it here is not.

    Grammar FAIL. Burn FAIL.

    You lose.

     

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