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what meat to feed raw?

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Re: what meat to feed raw?

  • nitalnital member
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    Anyone else craving cookie dough?

    PS Starlette....need more C pics!  I'm gonna tell your sister to post pics on FB.  :P 

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  • Aggiebug: I'll bet you 20 to 1 that those studies looking to highlight bacterial dangers of raw feeding were funded by commercial pet food companies.

    I reiterate: there are no funded studies touting the benefits of raw feeding because there are no corporations to benefit financially from it! Feeding a PMR diet means people can go out and buy their meat wherever they like, be in the supermarket, butcher's shop, local farms, etc. No huge corporation is benefiting from promoting it, so why pay for a study that would get data supporting it?

    And seriously, yet again, if you're handling raw meat, whether it's for your dog or you're going to make it for yourself, the same general cleaning principles apply. Surfaces get wiped down after raw meat has been in contact with them and utensils/dishes get washed. It's common sense. If you're seeing negative consequences of bacteria, it's because people are idiots and don't clean up after themselves.

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    1) It's typically COOKING meats that changes the shape of the protein molecules and results in the allergy to that protein. Feeding RAW is the most beneficial thing you can do for your dog/cat. Do you think they're able to cook their food in the wild? Nope! Wash everything well, and you've got no worries of bacterial contamination.

    2) Check out PreyModelRaw.com. It is an INCREDIBLY helpful site for how to get started on feeding a raw diet. You can't just launch in willy nilly feeding whatever you like. There are specific ratios of nutrients/food types that should be fed (approximately 80% muscle meat, 10% organs, and 10% bone, though some dogs do need these ratios tweaked).

    3) Start off feeding around 2% of your dogs ideal adult weight. This is the low end of the recommended daily amount, but you want to start low, with higher bone content, to help transition your pup and build up higher levels of digestive acids without causing lots of loose stools. After a few weeks, you can increase the amount of food you're feeding if it's not enough to maintain you dog's weight.

    4) Start with chicken ONLY for a couple of weeks; it's the highest in bone content and easiest to digest. You can transition to something like turkey or pork after a couple of weeks, then start adding a novel protein source about every week or so, in small amounts.

    5) Some dogs will still be allergic to a particular raw protein; introducing one new protein source at a time will give you a chance to see if your dog has an allergic reaction to it so you can know not to feed it in the future. 

    This. I feed raw to my 5 cats. You may want to consider joining some raw feeding forums on yahoo. I found that helpful when starting. I found a supplier through a therapy pet group we belonged to, and we buy 3 months worth of food at a time.

     My cats are very healthy and we are always complimented on how healthy and in shape they are at the vet. They are supportive of our choice to feed raw.  

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    After reading all of the other posts, someone should probably call CPS on me for endangering my toddler and unborn child by feeding my cats raw. 
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    After reading all of the other posts, someone should probably call CPS on me for endangering my toddler and unborn child by feeding my cats raw. 

    Congrats!! How far along are you? 

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    imageKaiene:
    After reading all of the other posts, someone should probably call CPS on me for endangering my toddler and unborn child by feeding my cats raw. 

    Congrats!! How far along are you? 

    Thanks! I am 6 weeks. I go in Thursday for my first appointment.  I see congrats are in order for you, too! Hope Carl is ready to be a big brother again! 

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    After reading all of the other posts, someone should probably call CPS on me for endangering my toddler and unborn child by feeding my cats raw. 

    CPS isn't called for parents who refuse to vaccinate their children...

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  • Well Angel If I was a betting person I would be making some money tonight, but I am not and I am not here to "win" I am here to help inform.  Every study I have been able to find has no link to a pet food company.  Unfortunately I haven't found sources you can access.  However if you look up AVMA, AAHA, and other reputable, non biased, veterinary organizations they all caution against a raw diet.  
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    imageaggiebug:
    Well Angel If I was a betting person I would be making some money tonight, but I am not and I am not here to "win" I am here to help inform.  Every study I have been able to find has no link to a pet food company.  Unfortunately I haven't found sources you can access.  However if you look up AVMA, AAHA, and other reputable, non biased, veterinary organizations they all caution against a raw diet.  

    You also didn't see how veterinary nutrition books were funded by pet food companies.  Go look up the author of the nutrition textbook.  http://www.hillspet.com/our-company/dr-mark-morris-jr.html

    Are there actually good studies on raw feeding?  Who is funding them? The only ones I saw years ago were done on racing greyhounds that were fed rotten meat.  I did read studies on raw fed dogs shedding salmonella...but what most neglected to mention was that a number of kibble fed dogs also shed salmonella.  

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  • I rarely open that book you speak of. If I do its for calculation help or something similar. It does have info on barf diet and balancing a homecooked diet but I still recommend talking to a veterinary nutritionist. 

    There is a study comparing raw to kibble fed dogs done by Colorado vet school (i believe. I may have the school wrong) that should significant differences in salmonella shedding. Kibble is not 100% safe however if there is salmonella contamination the product is recalled. 

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    imageKaiene:
    After reading all of the other posts, someone should probably call CPS on me for endangering my toddler and unborn child by feeding my cats raw. 

    Congrats!! How far along are you? 

    Thanks! I am 6 weeks. I go in Thursday for my first appointment.  I see congrats are in order for you, too! Hope Carl is ready to be a big brother again! 

    Congrats! How exciting!

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  • nitalnital member
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    imageaggiebug:

    I rarely open that book you speak of. 

    So..it does exist...it is a common book...you may not reference it, but I'm sure lots of other vets do. 

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    imageaggiebug:

    I rarely open that book you speak of. 

    So..it does exist...it is a common book...you may not reference it, but I'm sure lots of other vets do. 

     

    Do you even know what to book has in it?  It's primarily a resource for calculating diet dietary info, nutritional concerns for various medical conditions. In a very small portion of the book it discusses different diets on the market. Including those from their primary competitors. No it's not perfect but it does have quite a bit of helpful info no matter what your dietary preference is.  

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  • nitalnital member
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    I have absolutely no idea what is in the book.  You're just the first person on this board to acknowledge the book even existed.  Everyone else denies it, though they will admit they got SD crazy cheap in vet school.
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  • That is what amuses me the most. People have issues with a book because of its funding and yet it's not a great advertisement for their food. It's all clinical data and nutrition fact with minimal specific food info and even that is presented factually and several brands mentioned not this biased baloney people think it contains. And yes hills donates food to the school which is sold cheaply the profits go to scholarships to vet students through the student organizations.  Other brands do the same thing, but as much as you think it does. I don't feel like it has much impact on what we recommend and sell. 
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    Product placement.  Marketing is a fascinating subject.  People use and recommend what's familiar.  Whose going to try out every food out there?  No one.  That's absolutely insane.  So you start with what's familiar.  In most vets' cases...that would be SD.
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