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Re: C&P About us
When someone disagrees with you, they're disgusting.
I guess every single one of you has been disgusting to me at some point or other. How dare you not bend to what I want you to say?!
Nope, it's not disagreement that's disgusting. It's singling out one group of people and one nation for criticism that's disgusting.
And c'mon, sugr. Really?
Not a group of people, a country. The country we're talking about.
But like TTT said, it's a Jewish state. Inhabited by Jews and run by Jews. Jews who are discriminating against the Palestinians at every turn, Jews who are keeping everyone else out, Jews who are responsible for the mass murder and death of minority groups. Right?
Hard to have a problem with the country without having a problem with the people.
If anyone in any of those threads ever issued an ounce of praise for Israel for any of the great things it has done, I wouldn't have such a foul taste in my mouth. For that matter, if anyone in any of those threads attacking Israel lobbed criticism against Hamas and Fatah for its enormous role in the violence, I wouldn't have anything negative to say.
But that hasn't happened. It's always been one sided, and any time other countries are brought up, it's always "Why can't we JUST talk about Israel?"
Because whenever these issues are discussed, it's always just Israel singled out for criticism. That's what turns my stomach.
You mean, whenever we talk about Israel, we are singling out Israel?? Your statements make no sense at all.
And I have some serious problems with the United States government and its actions - that doesn't mean I dislike Americans or have a problem with Americans. Same with many countries (like the aforementioned Saudi Arabia).
Why does criticism of Israel have to be tempered with "Oh but Israel also did some great things"? That's not asked of ANYthing else we discuss here. We discuss many different countries and international conflicts here and it's never required to make sure you add some praise of those countries too before you criticize them. You say that we're the ones singling out Israel and wanting it to be treated differently, but it seems that you are the one who wants it to be treated differently.
In all of the time I've been on the board, you've never once lobbed any criticism at the Palestinians for their crimes against civilians. Every single time you have posted about Israel, it has always been negative. You have made your feelings about Israel abundantly clear, and appear completely uninterested in engaging in any sort of rational debate about the subject. It's impossible to argue with the portrayal of Israelis as racist and bloodthirsty religious murderers.
Yes, every time we've discussed Israel killing hundreds of people, I have expressed negative opinions of Israel. Shocking! And yes, I make it abundantly clear that I believe a nation existing for the sole or primary benefit of one religious or ethnic group is wrong. I don't understand why my failing to temper my criticisms of Israel with "Well Israel did this great thing" or "Well the Palestinians also...." makes me "uninterested in rational debate," especially since you have also failed to add "Well the Israelis are also bad because" to your criticisms as well. Please point me to a post of yours where we discussed a Palestinian attack on civilians and you made sure to mention Israeli attacks on civilians as well.?
I have never portrayed Israelis as racist and bloodthirsty religious murderers and you know it. Now you're just reaching.?
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I have many friends who have spent a lot of time over there who are very impassioned about the conflict on both sides of the issue. Otherwise, there's just a ridiculous amount of propaganda on both sides. I'm at the listening stage at this point because it's too difficult to wade through the crap. The important thing to remember is that this will not be easily resolved and both sides will have to give something up before there will be any progress.
And to lighten things up a little:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1BwwewWGGss
Happy 8th night of Hanukkah, to those who are celebrating.
Oh yes. Complaining about one board on another board is so right and someone else pointing it out is so wrong. I see. I should have let you b!tch about us in peace.
Give me a break. Coming to the "secret" E08 board which you didn't think I knew about to whine about it? I wouldn't have said a word if you posted this thread on P&CE.
Posting that Israel is repeatedly responsible for the massacre and killing of hundreds and thousands of Palestinians? That's not portraying Israel as bloodthirsty murderers?
And posting that Israel's laws are discriminatory? So you don't actually think Israel's laws are discriminatory?
There's an awfully huge leap between posting an article about the actions of a country's military, saying that it's terrible and saying "All Israelis are bloodthirsty murderers." ?
I don't get the second part. Yes, I think their citizenship laws are discriminatory. What is your point? ?
I stayed out of it over there, but mm since you are bringing your overwraught arguments over here, I can't take it anymore.
Just because you've been persecuted does not mean you can't have a persecution complex. You dare call an entire board disgusting and try to defend yourself as reasoned?
There is intelligent discussion. Just because people don't share you extreme emotional bias does not make them disgusting.
So... no West Bank Story fans here?
TTT's posts don't tell the whole story, but whose does? She brings up important points that are often not expressed or discussed, and she's not doing so out of any bias against Jews or Israelites. I know this because I've seen her posts over 16 months and she hasn't shown any hatred of any racial, ethnic, or religious group. Also, my close friend who has worked in a Palestinian orphanage and is the most informed pro-Palestine voice I have consistent access to has a great deal of respect and admiration for the Jewish faith and Jewish people, but she thinks Israel is in the wrong. Disagreeing with a government does not make one a bigot, or whatever it is you're accusing TTT of being. And I think the tactic of calling anyone who ever criticizes Israel anti-Semetic only prolongs the conflict. It is through digging for the truth that solutions are found. And if we can't even do so on a friendly message board, how can we expect our government to?
Oh, my very own troll returns! I missed you.
#1: I haven't brought anything over here. Sugr did that all by herself and I decided to acknowledge it instead of reading the insults in silence.
#2: Posting about sometimes finding the board to be a disgusting place is hardly calling the entire board disgusting. I explained what I meant there and in other posts; plenty of posters think Israel and what it stands for is disgusting and made that clear. And their views turn my stomach- my relatives died because no one would take them in and they had no Israel to go to. If the Holocaust happened again, they'd die again and I would too. But...that's fine.
#3: You are not the first person to say that Jews have a persecution complex, and you won't be the last. You're in good company- the only links on this seem to be from neo-Nazi groups like the one below:
http://www.jewishtribalreview.org/12cosmo.htm
Israel is not perfect and has often taken actions that subject it to condemnation. I have never disputed this and I often think Israel is wrong. And I had the benefit of living and working there for four months and have been traveling to Israel since 1995.
The problem is, when all of your complaints are lobbied at one government with a unique population and no threads are ever initiated about the various and sundry governments that behave in exactly the same way or worse, it makes you seem like someone who hates that specific country.
If I repeatedly initiated posts that painted African Americans in a negative light and never initiated posts depicting them in a positive way, I would be called a racist.
Let's just call a spade a spade.
Oh c'mon, bridey! Virtually all of your 152 posts (especially the oldie but goodies) were deliciously flameful of me. Your Pets board flames are particularly
But I find your claim that you have a right to exist independent of flaming me very appropos considering the nature of this discussion. And it seems you have found your audience!
Yes you are right, you are worthy of over 150 posts all about you.
This thread alone is showing how crazy your mind works!!
Never claimed I was worthy, but you seem to find me so! Nothing else explains the months of stalking on your part, just to pop into these threads to flame away with no contribution to the discussion at all or viewpoint of your own to share.
It's...sad, but morbidly fascinating at the same time. Like Abnormal Psych, 1001.
Like you yourself said, you don't contribute to the threads, you merely insult- and yet you claim to post and "disagree"?
Sorry, you already own stupid.
You know what they say about people who use the word "numerous" to bolster their argument!