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24 years old, engaged and need help.

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to take the time to say thank you for reading this!

I need your opinion, to make a long story short...

My fiance (28) and I (24) have been together for 5 years, and engaged for 4 years. We moved cross country (Virginia to California), about 6 months ago and started our own business. 

I think it was the worse possible mistake of my life. 

Here's the thing, I didn't finish college because I was sure I was going to marry him, I only ended up getting an Associates degree in business, have 10 years past experience in retail, and have now owned my own business for 6 months. 

He has no degree, and only has worked for his father in the past on the books, so really has no "real" work experience.

We have now been moved across the country for almost 6 months and know absolutely NO ONE where we live, we have NO friends, NO family.. no nothing besides our business.

We work 80+ hours a week together, have no employees and things have been rocky AS EVER.

We no longer talk about a wedding, and after 4 years of being engaged you think I'd have a long list of what I want our wedding to be like... nope!

I am just so depressed because I feel like moving cross country, and starting a business with him was just so wrong and now and feel stuck and have no idea what to do.

He tells me since I have no real experience.. I've never be able to get a job and he has threatened me saying that I'll have to "move back home with my parents". He's so negative, mentally abusive and it's tearing me up making me feel lifeless.

I'm an only child, really have no "real friends" because I've stuck by his side for so long.

Does anybody have any advice? Anything would be appreciated because I can't take this anymore. Thanks everyone


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Re: 24 years old, engaged and need help.

  • Honestly, if he is threatening you and being emotionally abusive, you COULD always move back in with your parents. Is the business failing? Why'd you move all the way from VA to CA for this business? Is it making money? You can find a reasonable job with an AS in business. Even office work. It is complete BS that he is bashing you by saying you have no experience. You have a degree and retail experience, which, correct me if I'm wrong, is a business. Why would you think that just because you were getting married, you shouldn't finish getting your degree in the first place? That definitely raises some flags for me. Has he shown signs of being controlling before the move?
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  • I could move back in with my parents but I hate the small town I grew up in, I've always wanted to move to Cali..and I like it here!

    The business is not failing, but definitely not the projected sales we planned.. it's more like a side job.. it's not enough income for two.. never mind a family.

    He always told me I was going to be a stay at home mom.. now in reality.. I don't think he wants that.

    He won't go back to school, and says it's stupid to give colleges another penny.

    I didn't finish school because he didn't. I lost all motivation
  • It's too bad that his lack of motivation caused yours. If I'm correct you started being with this person as a 19 year old and he was 23. He was already older and hadn't even started school. For some reason you let him pull you down and stop your success and future. You seem to have self-confidence enough to know he is wrong. You even called it abusive. Do you want to be in an abusive relationship? If not- I would leave now, move in with your parents if you need to, and start fresh. You can always get back out to Cali. Starting fresh in a small VA town is better than grinding your way to the bottom in a great spot in CA. If that's really the only thing keeping you with this guy, it's kind of a crappy reason to stay. I don't know how easy or hard it would be for you to leave this business, but I hope not too hard. Everyone deserves a SO who builds them up, brings out the best in them, helps the achieve. My DH has an associates degree and then pursued his career. He can only progress so far in his career without a BA, so whenever he brings it up I tell him I will support him either way. We can pay back loans if he wishes to do his BA and I'll help him figure out what classes he'll need and how to do it easiest as he can or I'll support him if he doesn't want to do it. I am more encouraging for him to reach higher as I think he really wants to. My point is your SO sounds like he's controlling you through his words and making you think you need to stay when ... you really don't. You are 24 which is young! You can start fresh and live your life how YOU want to. You can do it on your schedule with the people you want around you. I'm sure you have old friends you can rekindle relationships with and in the future, don't make the mistake of cutting out everyone you know for a man. It can make you feel helpless and alone, but you are not.
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  • You don't have to go home. First, get some friends! You need local support. Then get a job and some roommates so you can afford rent. You're so young. It's not to late to get more education, but first you need to get out from under this jerk's thumb. Prove to yourself that you can take care of yourself and succeed in your own!
  • Run like hell because he is threatening you. This guy is a PIG.
  • It's hard to move away from what you have ever known. Doesn't matter your background or where you are in life. It's HARD.

    First, have you ever read job requirements? In a certain fields they read, college degree or 10 years experience. ;)

    Fellow retail employee here, hello. All I can say, is sit down and revamp your resume.

    It's a cluster what you have going on right now. Start up business is like a baby, not great for a relationship. Moving away from your home, again not great for your relationship. Him being an a$$, not the best.

    Find value in yourself and then look to the rest. I'm not seeing a great result out of what you have given but you will be okay. Good luck.
  • The thing is he WAS going to get a degree... but after 6 years of trying to get a bachelors, he just stopped going!

    And when he stopped, it was really hard for me to focus on school, so I stopped going. 

    I just always thought that it were going to be him and I, so I never thought I had anything to worry about. 

    It's so hard to make new friends because we are at work 80+ hours a week. We only have Sundays off, and work from 7 am to 10 pm M-F, then Saturday 8am-4pm.

    Right now I am just so mentally and physically exhausted and feel hopeless!

    I'm a VERY positive person, but he brings me down so bad. He honestly makes me feel as if I won't ever find anybody.

    Do any of you have suggestions on where to find a job? I've been searching on Craigslist and monster.com, but still searching.

    The thought of not being with him scares the $hit out of me, I feel very dependant on him.. Which I KNOW is terrible. I want to be more independent, I swear I do. I've just never really been "alone", so its sort of terrifying.

    Thanks for all your replies. 
  • #1 Retail experience is EXPERIENCE. If you think you are done with your FI ( and it sounds like you need to be done) You need to apply at a retail job and start building up your own finances.
     #2 I know you need to be cautious however Craigslist is pretty decent in finding rooms for rent. You could find other females you can rent an apartment, house, etc. Obviously you need to really be careful with that option but it worked out well for a few of my friends.

    If you decide to stay with him, I'll play devils advocate for a second. I can understand that owning your own business causes stress that can cause each of you to lash out at each other. Here's the thing, you guys are living together, working together, and are in each others faces 24/7. YOU NEED A BREAK. It's completely unhealthy to be so intertwined with each other.

    I wish you luck.. Also as a stay at home mom please allow me to tell you that living on one income is tough and my husband has 2 degrees. He or you should consider going back to school as backup in case your current business fails.
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  • #1 Retail experience is EXPERIENCE. If you think you are done with your FI ( and it sounds like you need to be done) You need to apply at a retail job and start building up your own finances.
     #2 I know you need to be cautious however Craigslist is pretty decent in finding rooms for rent. You could find other females you can rent an apartment, house, etc. Obviously you need to really be careful with that option but it worked out well for a few of my friends.

    If you decide to stay with him, I'll play devils advocate for a second. I can understand that owning your own business causes stress that can cause each of you to lash out at each other. Here's the thing, you guys are living together, working together, and are in each others faces 24/7. YOU NEED A BREAK. It's completely unhealthy to be so intertwined with each other.

    I wish you luck.. Also as a stay at home mom please allow me to tell you that living on one income is tough and my husband has 2 degrees. He or you should consider going back to school as backup in case your current business fails.
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  • 1)  You're YOUNG still.  Don't throw away your life because of this guy.  I say that as a 25 year old myself.
    2)  If he's "dragging you down" and "abusing" you and making you feel like you "won't ever find anybody"...LEAVE HIM.  NOW.
    3)  I hope that after some serious reflection, you will see that anyone that cannot get a Bachelor's after 6 YEARS as a full time student isn't very serious about his education.  And doesn't seem very motivated or ambitious.  Why you would start a business with someone who has demonstrated that he has no ambition boggles my mind.  The fact that you dropped out of school because your SO did suggests that you have SERIOUS dependency issues.
    4)  You started dating at 19.  You got "engaged" at 20.  WHY did you get engaged at 20 to someone you'd been dating for ONE year?

    Listen.  You've made some pretty glaring mistakes.  But you can fix them.  The way I see it, you have 3 choices:

    1)  Move home.  Go back to school and/or find a job there.  Rebuild your life without him.
    2)  Stay in CA.  Find a job and move in with roommates.  See about going back to school.  Rebuild your life without him.
    3)  Stay in this miserable relationship.  Get married or have a baby to "fix" things.  Become even more miserable and waste precious years of your life.

    The choice is yours...but you can do anything you set your mind to.  And if you refuse to allow yourself to think that way, you'll be stuck under this guy's thumb forever.
  • I'm a VERY positive person, but he brings me down so bad. He honestly makes me feel as if I won't ever find anybody.

    This alone is enough to leave him. It's not at all healthy. You really need a safety net right now and I think that would be best acquired by moving back home for a few months. That's what I'd probably do anyway. As for job searching sites, sometimes I go to individual company sites that I'm interested at working at and check their careers section. Also, Indeed.com pools jobs from several different websites and can be really helpful. Good luck.
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  • Linkin, make connections and see the job posts.

    Career Builder, put your resume up and apply in your area.

    Retail is always hiring, management that is knowledgable is hard to find. Your in CA, they rule at awesome shopping spots.
  • The thing is he WAS going to get a degree... but after 6 years of trying to get a bachelors, he just stopped going!

    And when he stopped, it was really hard for me to focus on school, so I stopped going. 

    I just always thought that it were going to be him and I, so I never thought I had anything to worry about. 

    It's so hard to make new friends because we are at work 80+ hours a week. We only have Sundays off, and work from 7 am to 10 pm M-F, then Saturday 8am-4pm.

    Right now I am just so mentally and physically exhausted and feel hopeless!

    I'm a VERY positive person, but he brings me down so bad. He honestly makes me feel as if I won't ever find anybody.

    Do any of you have suggestions on where to find a job? I've been searching on Craigslist and monster.com, but still searching.

    The thought of not being with him scares the $hit out of me, I feel very dependant on him.. Which I KNOW is terrible. I want to be more independent, I swear I do. I've just never really been "alone", so its sort of terrifying.

    Thanks for all your replies. 
    Where to find a job is your smaller problem.

    Your bigger problem is HIM.

    You said he brings you down! You said he threatens you --- do you sincerely want a future with a shit like him?

    I vote that you pack up, take what belongs to you and go home.

    He is a pig. Somebody who loves you won't threaten you and somebody who loves you won't ride your coattails.

     Move back in with your parents. And see what you can do about finding a decent job there, along with finding out what you want to do in life, job wise.

    If you want to go back to college, take a few classes and see if this is what it is you really want --- there's also the option of learning a trade; maybe you'd have a better shot at getting a job if you did that. there are many jobs that are excellent and pay good money and that do not require a degree.
  • I agree with Tarpon. Moving was probably a huge blessing. His behavior is not because of the move, that is who he is you just didn't see it until now. Be thankful you aren't married and don't have any children. 

    When you stop going to school, how did your friends and family react? I get the feeling they probably didn't think it was a good idea and do not like your FI. So why not move you away from all of them, even if you've always wanted to go to CA, it's a great way to isolate you. 

    He told you you were going to be a SAHM? No one gets to tell another person they have to do anything. Sounds like a reason to convince you to quite school and to further isolate you. It also makes you dependent on him for money and all of your needs. 

    At the very least he is emotionally abusive. He is not a good man. This is not b/c of stress. It sounds like he's spent a long time breaking you down and now that you are without a support system he is continuing to do so. 

    Go home. Get a job, save some money and then move back to CA. Or stay there for a while and finish your degree. Please be careful, it is entirely possible that he gets violent. 

    Also, as someone that dated her HS boyfriend through college and afterwards then married him, please do not think this is a product of age. Someone that really loves you does not tear you down or impede you in the things you desire in life. This guy is not a good guy, he's not worth another minute of your time. 
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  • Research CA retailers that offer decent pay like Costco, Trader Joes and maybe even Starbucks or local grocery stores.  Research each company and put in a good resume.  Once you get a job, look for roomates and get out of there. 

    You will not have a happy and healthy future with this man.  You need to get out now.  Maybe even consider  going back home and returning to CA when the time is right.  Whatever you do, get out. 

  • You do not need a degree to get a well-paying job. In fact you can find a part time job and finish school if you wanted. It sounds like you both bit off more then you can chew with this business. They take a LOT of work. Either hire some employees and take some time off, and away from each other once in a while or one of you might need to start a new job to get some separation. I love my H but there is no way I would want to spend every second of every day with him. I need my "me" time and so does he. Its hard when you dont know anyone where you live but sign up for a college class or something and meet some people. I really think you guys are way over stressed and worked from this business. Yeah hes being a jerk and things change as life goes on but he might just be trying to keep you there because he cant express his need for you in his life well. Or he might be a huge douche, I have no idea - you know him best so is it something where hes just a huge jerk and you shouldnt be with him or is it more like you both are unhappy with the current circumstances and you guys need some time to yourselves and to not work together?
    ~E~
  • Wife KittyWife Kitty member
    10 Comments 5 Love Its First Anniversary
    edited August 2013
    I answered you in the other forum, but I'll put my two cents in here as well.

    Your fiance and my ex have very similar issues. I was your age when I broke up with my headache and now it's time for you to break up with yours. You don't need to be bogged down and destroyed by a guy who has nowhere near the experience you do, and has no plan for his own future, yet tries to make you think that you're the one who has nowhere to go.

    Insecure people like this will say anything to pull you down to their level, and try to keep you there. Way deep down it's because they know you're better than that and they're intimidated by you. Their baggage, however, is not your problem.

    He doesn't get to tell you that you're going to stay at home with the kids. My ex tried to say that crap to me too. It was because he didn't "feel like school" himself and saw no reason to try, and he had to be the macho man in charge.

    He doesn't get to try to guilt you or demotivate you into dropping out of school, or try to convince you not to worry your pretty little head because he'll take care of teh moneys. Ex kept going on and on about how my Master's degree wouldn't amount to much because he'd just be making "so much more" working at a bar. Ummm... NO.

    He definitely doesn't get to freak you about about moving back home with your parents. Holding that over your head shows a lot of desperation and cowardice on his part.

    And for what it's worth, I don't know your parents but a temporary move back with them seems like a hell of a better option than the rest of your life with Fred Flintstone. I know it's hard to start over, but I was with a guy like yours, for a long long time, and I was that scared 24-year-old too. I'm doing better now, just as you will be. Dump him, call the business a loss, chalk it up to life experience, and do the right thing for YOU.


  • ewill7911 said:
    You do not need a degree to get a well-paying job. In fact you can find a part time job and finish school if you wanted. It sounds like you both bit off more then you can chew with this business. They take a LOT of work. Either hire some employees and take some time off, and away from each other once in a while or one of you might need to start a new job to get some separation. I love my H but there is no way I would want to spend every second of every day with him. I need my "me" time and so does he. Its hard when you dont know anyone where you live but sign up for a college class or something and meet some people. I really think you guys are way over stressed and worked from this business. Yeah hes being a jerk and things change as life goes on but he might just be trying to keep you there because he cant express his need for you in his life well. Or he might be a huge douche, I have no idea - you know him best so is it something where hes just a huge jerk and you shouldnt be with him or is it more like you both are unhappy with the current circumstances and you guys need some time to yourselves and to not work together?
    You could also find a company that has tuition reimbursement for its employees.

    Companies like that still exist.

    There's also the option of an on campus job --- or working 2 semesters and taking the next 2 off to work and then 2 more on and then 2 more working.

    I still favor the trade.

    There are many trades:

    Cosmeticians, mechanics, woodworkers, graphic artists, cad/cam, printing, haircutters, barbers, tailors, seamstresses, to name a few.
  • Hi everybody,

    Thanks for all your responses. I KNOW I am in trouble, and the fact that I am SO dependant on him doesn't help.

    My parents know I'm in a rutt, and do NOT like how there seems to be know future for us, due to his actions... We've quickly learned that the business we are in is going to be short term (5 years), and we have no idea what we are going do to.

    We haven't talked about marriage, well excuse me.. whenever I bring it up he says he has no money for it (which is total BS).

    Maybe me not being pregnant (after 5 years) and no wedding plans, is gods way of telling me that we are not meant to be. Thats how I'm looking at it.

    With our new business, I'm like how about we start paying ourselves (I am not making any money right now) and he's like WHY do we need to pay ourselves, you have the business CC and my CC. It's just another way I am dependent on him.

    Another short story, his mom left him when he was 5, and grew up with solely with a drug addicted father, having girls in and out of the house. (The father straightened himself out, but is a serious pig)

    ... Last night he said to me "Yah my dad always use to tell me you guys are all stinky holes, and the only thing different about you is the wrapping paper"

    He has said SO many rude things like that in the past, "flip us all upside down and we're all sisters"... SO many more, he's so rude.

    He keeps threaten me that he's going to be a bouncer... at a strip club or just club.

    I'm so disgusted by his actions, but then there's that "10%" of the time we're i think he actually loves me.

    OH YEAH, and he said the only people that really love eachother are really ugly people because they know they can't get anyone else.

    I think I'm falling into depression! IT'S AWFUL. I just need to make the first step! I will start job searching.
  • vpinevpine member
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    edited August 2013
    At 24, what exactly is wrong with moving back in with your parents?  I feel that you committed yourself to him at a young age and should finish college, it will pay off in the long run. If he's giving you guilt trips or mentally abusive, there's really NO reason to put up with it. Pack your things, move back home and enroll in Spring semester asap
  • Your fiance just told you that you were a stinky hole and the only differentiation between you and another woman is the "wrapping??!!

    LEAVE THIS HOUSE *NOW* IF YOU HAVE *ANY* SELF RESPECT!
  • Disneygeek77Disneygeek77 member
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    edited August 2013
    Leave now. There is no future here. Go back home get an education, get a good job and then you can go wherever your heart takes you.
  • Why did you two get engaged in the first place? It sounds like he is not ready to commit, nor be responsible enough. Is he someone that you would want your son to grow up looking up to? I'm a firm believer in the theory of people changing. I honestly think that you two can come out stronger than ever if you are both willing.

    Right now it sounds like neither of you want to step up to the plate and drive this engagement into full force. Marriage is forever. Also, the language he chooses to use towards you is unacceptable. Husbands are to love and respect their wives, and if the wife does not feel they are loved, will feel as you do right now.
  • Hi everybody,

    Thanks for all your responses. I KNOW I am in trouble, and the fact that I am SO dependant on him doesn't help.

    My parents know I'm in a rutt, and do NOT like how there seems to be know future for us, due to his actions... We've quickly learned that the business we are in is going to be short term (5 years), and we have no idea what we are going do to.

    We haven't talked about marriage, well excuse me.. whenever I bring it up he says he has no money for it (which is total BS).

    Maybe me not being pregnant (after 5 years) and no wedding plans, is gods way of telling me that we are not meant to be. Thats how I'm looking at it.

    With our new business, I'm like how about we start paying ourselves (I am not making any money right now) and he's like WHY do we need to pay ourselves, you have the business CC and my CC. It's just another way I am dependent on him.

    Another short story, his mom left him when he was 5, and grew up with solely with a drug addicted father, having girls in and out of the house. (The father straightened himself out, but is a serious pig)

    ... Last night he said to me "Yah my dad always use to tell me you guys are all stinky holes, and the only thing different about you is the wrapping paper"

    He has said SO many rude things like that in the past, "flip us all upside down and we're all sisters"... SO many more, he's so rude.

    He keeps threaten me that he's going to be a bouncer... at a strip club or just club.

    I'm so disgusted by his actions, but then there's that "10%" of the time we're i think he actually loves me.

    OH YEAH, and he said the only people that really love eachother are really ugly people because they know they can't get anyone else.

    I think I'm falling into depression! IT'S AWFUL. I just need to make the first step! I will start job searching.
    Well instead of Bolding pretty much everything you wrote here.... this explains a lot more then post #1. I say move back home with parents, find a job that pays for tuition, get a degree and go someplace with your life. You have a lot ahead of you and are still young! No one needs to hear those horrible things and you have every chance in the world right now to do whatever you want to with your life and staying with him would be the biggest disservice to yourself. If your not getting anything out of the job, relationship and life with him - leave...
    Its ok to move home, even if its a crappy place you use that as motivation to get somewhere you want to be. I would suck up moving back home for a couple of years to finish school and move forward with my life and career.
    ~E~
  • Your follow up makes it very clear what he thinks of you. Can you imagine if you stayed, married or had a child, specifically a daughter? She would grow up with a father that believes a her worth is based on fulfilling the sexual needs of men. 

    Make some calls, get your things and papers in order and leave. Based on some of the things you've said I would leave for a visit home and not return. I not sure this guy would be above violence considering his belief that women are objects. Proceed carefully. 
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  • Your follow up makes it very clear what he thinks of you. Can you imagine if you stayed, married or had a child, specifically a daughter? She would grow up with a father that believes a her worth is based on fulfilling the sexual needs of men.
    and her son would get the idea that it's great to bully a woman and treat her like dirt --- and that this is a fine example of what a husband does to a wife.

    Get rid of him TODAY.
  • I think you should move back home and get into counseling ASAP. Your last post says a lot about you more than it does about this guy. After ALL he's said and done you're still hanging on to the fact that he might still love you by "10%"... I'm sorry but if you had any self respect you would not care for a second what and if this excuse for a man felt anything at all. 

    And what's that about not being pregnant? You'd seriously even remotely consider having kids with this guy? And the fact that you don't have any is because god thinks it's not "meant to be" ?? Well, my take on this is that you should thank god for doing the thinking for you here... having kids with a guy like that would be worse news that you could possibly handle. 

    Move back in with your parents and sorts yourself and your life out. Kids should come when all is balanced and healthy for them. Go back to ENJOYING life in a healthy-smart-capable-young-woman kind of way, you can do it.
  • And what's that about not being pregnant? You'd seriously even remotely consider having kids with this guy? And the fact that you don't have any is because god thinks it's not "meant to be" ?? Well, my take on this is that you should thank god for doing the thinking for you here... having kids with a guy like that would be worse news that you could possibly handle.

    This is where God helps those who helps himself.
  • What a sick, twisted POS this guy is, get OUT. Go HOME. RESPECT yourself.
  • Disneygeek77Disneygeek77 member
    Ancient Membership 2500 Comments 500 Love Its First Answer
    edited August 2013

    10 % ??  Are you kidding me 10%

    I'm sorry but what is wrong with you ?  Why would you settle for 10% ?  Do you really think that you don't deserve better than that ?  Would you want your daughter to be with a man that treated her the same way that your husband treats you ?  What about your little sister or you best friend ?  Do you think they would deserve better ?  When your parents imagined you getting older and finding someone special is this  what they imagine or were hoping for ? 

    Please, please go home or move out.  Please talk to someone and get to the bottom of why you tolerated this kid of treatment for so long.  Now when I say talk to someone, I am talking from my own experience.  I have gone to counseling before and I think it was one of the healthiest decisions I ever made. 

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