UO Thursday

Xan921

Let's hear those unpopular opinions!

Aimothy

Preschool/kindergarten/6th grade/8th grade graduations are ridiculous. Especially if it includes graduation caps and gowns. 

sparklingdiamond

Aimothy said:

Preschool/kindergarten/6th grade/8th grade graduations are ridiculous. Especially if it includes graduation caps and gowns. 

I agree.  We never had these when I was growing up!

mrshall1027

It is stupid, but the ones I've been to, the kids are super excited and happy to be doing it, so it's also kinda cute.

Sewilson33

I think giving cash as a present to any child under the age of 12 is stupid. How do you really know that cash is going into the kids bank account? I'm all for writing a check to the child but not giving cash.

amandaf6383

I don't like cash as gifts in general. I think it takes away any thoughtfulness. The only time I approve is for weddings.

seahorse01

Ohhhh I love getting cash!  And giving it to little kids.  We gave my 5 yo nephew a bunch of ones and he thought he hit the lottery.  The we took him shopping with it.

simsk3887

I don't like breakfast foods. Dry cereal and toast are about it. Anything else makes me gag.

mrshall1027

simsk3887 said:

I don't like breakfast foods. Dry cereal and toast are about it. Anything else makes me gag.

Blasphemy!!  Breakfast is the best meal, hands down!

caseyandlizzie

I love getting cash, especially from grandparents who would typically buy me clothes that I would never wear. I'd rather I get to pick out something that I like, than they waste money on something that will more than likely just get donated to Goodwill.

arj14

Aimothy said:

Preschool/kindergarten/6th grade/8th grade graduations are ridiculous. Especially if it includes graduation caps and gowns. 

I did have an 8th grade graduation, but I went to a K-8 school so in my opinion it was a little different... especially for those that had gone there for all 9 years.  We had slideshows with current pics and baby pictures and we got our portfolios that spanned our entire time at the school.  It was nice.

brij2006

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

KonaCoffeeBean

Vladimir Putin is rather sexy.

arj14

KonaCoffeeBean said:

Vladimir Putin is rather sexy.

I don't love it because I agree, but this is an amazing post to follow the one before yours.

I will admit to finding the last president of Iran good looking, ignoring everything about his politics and personality.

nfp147

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

brij2006

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

arj14

brij2006 said:

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

Assuming they can find such jobs, or can afford to improve / gain skills to qualify for such jobs.

botanicalbliss

brij2006 said:

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

I'm going to have to disagree with this.  I think the minimum wage should be a liveable wage.  There are lots of talented, skilled workers with families stuck in these positions because nothing else is available.  There are also untalented, unskilled workers with families in these positions because it's all they can do.  Regardless of talent and skill, if someone is working a full time position, they should be able to support themselves and their family.

brij2006

arj14 said:

brij2006 said:

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

Assuming they can find such jobs, or can afford to improve / gain skills to qualify for such jobs.

Why should it cost money for someone to apply themselves at their job?

I understand there are many fields out there that require certifications or education, but just about all of those jobs pay more than minimum wage to begin with. 

TheDeaton's

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

brij2006 said:

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

Effors=/= Earnings dear. I know people that bust their ass and just get by and then others that are lazy and make a good living.

And pretty sure you did say that Minimum Wage earners are uneducated morons. At least that's what I read.

LuckyAngel07

arj14 said:

brij2006 said:

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

Assuming they can find such jobs, or can afford to improve / gain skills to qualify for such jobs.

This. Job availability is still pretty shitty.

I understand that if you graduated (or not) from high school and didn't go on to get further training/educations/etc, a minimum wage job is probably most appropriate, but that doesn't mean the wage you earn for putting in the time at work should barely support you/your family.

I've worked in both retail and restaurants. A lot of people who make retail their career put in much more than minimum effort. And waiting tables is also a lot of work (there are always prep or closing tasks that need to be done on top of taking care of the customers). 

I put in time getting my education, but I consider what I do much easier, at least physically, than most minimum wage jobs.

People have a hard time fitting education or training in once they're already working long hours. They need the continued hours at their job to make enough money to support themselves, and that often means giving up on fitting classes in. Hence being stuck in their current position.

seahorse01

A lot of people don't have access to education, or the skills or opportunity to apply for grants/loans to pay for school.  And great paying jobs that require no training or skills aren't just sitting out there waiting for people.  I feel like based on a lot of your opinions that you have led a very sheltered life.  Some research on minority bias, white privilege and the like would probably be very beneficial.

And I hope you never have to be in the position to take a low paying job and have people that feel the way you do judge you. 

$10 an hour isn't a living wage either FWIW.

LuckyAngel07

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

I agree with the bolded. But most employers that pay minimum wage, aren't going to pay more than minimum wage if they're not required to. So the person being lazy is going to be paid the same by that employer as the person busting their ass to do better at work. We'd all like to see employers pay their workers for the effort they put into the job, but that's just not how a lot of them think (especially when their focus is solely on profits). So, minimum wage gets set low and the employers don't take it upon themselves to pay more (and some simply can't pay more). 

BruinsBabe33

I really hope that you don't lose your job and all you can find is a minimum wage job. I doubt you'd be able to hack it. Live off of $10 an hour for cleaning up people's shit all day and tell me those people deserve minimum wage. You've said some pretty ignorant things before, so this opinion really doesn't surprise me from you. I love how you literally said that people don't deserve enough money to live off of. I LOL'd

arj14

brij2006 said:

arj14 said:

brij2006 said:

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

Assuming they can find such jobs, or can afford to improve / gain skills to qualify for such jobs.

Why should it cost money for someone to apply themselves at their job?

I understand there are many fields out there that require certifications or education, but just about all of those jobs pay more than minimum wage to begin with. 

Yes, and if they are currently trying to support themselves with minimum wage, especially at full time, trying to find time and money for classes is very difficult.  I'm lucky that I have two part time jobs that pay more than minimum wage without a degree, and I still have a hard time paying for classes.

brij2006

TheDeaton's said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

brij2006 said:

nfp147 said:

brij2006 said:

We need some entertainment in here.....

Minimum wage shouldn't go up to $10/hour.  If you have minimum skill set, do the minimum, apply yourself minimally in your job, and give the minimum effort, then you are entitled to be paid the minimum.  If people want to earn more, then do more and try harder. 

This doesn't mean I'm not for minimum wage increasing to keep on par with inflation, but to set it at a "livable" wage doesn't mean those people deserve that wage.

So all people working minimum wage jobs are lazy, non skilled morons who deserve to work minimum wage? Wow. That's harsh.

Plus, I know a lot of lazy, non skilled morons making $100K a year.  But they must deserve that wage right?

Didn't say that they're non skilled morons.  Just saying that if they don't like getting paid minimum wage, then they can do something about it.  By working at a different place that pays more, applying themselves, or proving they deserve more.  

Efforts = Earnings

Effors=/= Earnings dear. I know people that bust their ass and just get by and then others that are lazy and make a good living.

And pretty sure you did say that Minimum Wage earners are uneducated morons. At least that's what I read.

More than likely those people are earning more than minimum wage or $10/hour.

If that's the case, then why not require anyone earning under $10/hour to take a budgeting class?   Yes, there are many people out there making minimum wage who truly live on nothing and have nothing.  Then there are ones who make $10/hour and because they can't stay away from eating out, having a car payment they can't afford, or spending frivolously, they fight that they should make more money because they can't make ends meet.  

Will $10/hour minimum wage truly solve anything?  The ones who make $10/hour now, won't get a raise to $12/hour because minimum wage increased.  The laws of economics will come into play and other items will increase due to employers needing to cover the extra payroll expense and there being a higher demand on things from there being extra disposable income.

islandmonkey8

brij2006 said:

More than likely those people are earning more than minimum wage or $10/hour.

If that's the case, then why not require anyone earning under $10/hour to take a budgeting class?   Yes, there are many people out there making minimum wage who truly live on nothing and have nothing.  Then there are ones who make $10/hour and because they can't stay away from eating out, having a car payment they can't afford, or spending frivolously, they fight that they should make more money because they can't make ends meet.  

Will $10/hour minimum wage truly solve anything?  The ones who make $10/hour now, won't get a raise to $12/hour because minimum wage increased.  The laws of economics will come into play and other items will increase due to employers needing to cover the extra payroll expense and there being a higher demand on things from there being extra disposable income.

Brij - Rent alone in my area is a MINIMUM of $950/month without utilities, food, clothes, transportation to/from work. Budget or not - $10/hour won't get you living on your own in a lot of places - no matter how hard you budget.

BruinsBabe33

Will it solve anything? It might solve a family from having their house foreclosed on or it might prevent a family from being evicted. I will pay an extra 50 cents for a burger to help improve someone's life.

TheDeaton's

brij2006 said:

TheDeaton's said:

More than likely those people are earning more than minimum wage or $10/hour.

If that's the case, then why not require anyone earning under $10/hour to take a budgeting class?   Yes, there are many people out there making minimum wage who truly live on nothing and have nothing.  Then there are ones who make $10/hour and because they can't stay away from eating out, having a car payment they can't afford, or spending frivolously, they fight that they should make more money because they can't make ends meet.  

Will $10/hour minimum wage truly solve anything?  The ones who make $10/hour now, won't get a raise to $12/hour because minimum wage increased.  The laws of economics will come into play and other items will increase due to employers needing to cover the extra payroll expense and there being a higher demand on things from there being extra disposable income.

Budgeting class? Here's an idea. Why don't you budget your life on 7.25 an hour,  How are you going to keep your lights on, roof over your head, and groceries. You won't. You will need assistance. But wait.....you're against that too.

BruinsBabe33

TheDeaton's said:

brij2006 said:

TheDeaton's said:

More than likely those people are earning more than minimum wage or $10/hour.

If that's the case, then why not require anyone earning under $10/hour to take a budgeting class?   Yes, there are many people out there making minimum wage who truly live on nothing and have nothing.  Then there are ones who make $10/hour and because they can't stay away from eating out, having a car payment they can't afford, or spending frivolously, they fight that they should make more money because they can't make ends meet.  

Will $10/hour minimum wage truly solve anything?  The ones who make $10/hour now, won't get a raise to $12/hour because minimum wage increased.  The laws of economics will come into play and other items will increase due to employers needing to cover the extra payroll expense and there being a higher demand on things from there being extra disposable income.

Budgeting class? Here's an idea. Why don't you budget your life on 7.25 an hour,  How are you going to keep your lights on, roof over your head, and groceries. You won't. You will need assistance. But wait.....you're against that too.


Ahahahahaha! @TheDeaton's‌ for the win!

brij2006

TheDeaton's said:

brij2006 said:

TheDeaton's said:

More than likely those people are earning more than minimum wage or $10/hour.

If that's the case, then why not require anyone earning under $10/hour to take a budgeting class?   Yes, there are many people out there making minimum wage who truly live on nothing and have nothing.  Then there are ones who make $10/hour and because they can't stay away from eating out, having a car payment they can't afford, or spending frivolously, they fight that they should make more money because they can't make ends meet.  

Will $10/hour minimum wage truly solve anything?  The ones who make $10/hour now, won't get a raise to $12/hour because minimum wage increased.  The laws of economics will come into play and other items will increase due to employers needing to cover the extra payroll expense and there being a higher demand on things from there being extra disposable income.

Budgeting class? Here's an idea. Why don't you budget your life on 7.25 an hour,  How are you going to keep your lights on, roof over your head, and groceries. You won't. You will need assistance. But wait.....you're against that too.

That's the thing, someone on minimum wage IS getting assistance right now.  So take out any expense for food or healthcare, and it can be liveable.