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UPDATE: I hate hail!!!

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edited August 2016 in Money Matters
Sorry, just a vent. 

Erg. I hate hail. We live in Colorado and the weather is very unpredictable throughout the year. Just the other night, a hail storm came through for about 30 minutes with golf ball sized hail. It wreaked havoc on our neighborhood.

Fortunately my car was in the garage, but still lots of damage. DH's car has over 100 dents in the body and his windshield is spider web cracked. My sister (who is staying with us for the summer) found her the car the next morning with a sunken in back window, shattered windshield and dents all over. 

Our home has lots of damage too. The roof is missing shingles, the gutters are crushed in, we have a broken window, our composite siding has holes in it and the rails on our deck (hard plastic material) is missing pieces.

We filed claims with insurance but over 2,000 claims have been filed and it will be weeks until they can get out to us. We are fortunate we have an emergency savings account and have good insurance. It will likely get covered but we will have to pay at least $1,500 in deductibles (car and home).

It's astonishing how much damage can be done in 30 minutes by mother nature. Luckily no one was harmed and it can all be fixed. DH sees a silver lining...he has been wanting to upgrade his 10+ year old car, so this might be his chance.

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Re: UPDATE: I hate hail!!!

  • csuavecsuave member
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    Ugh, that is horrible.  Funny, even if you can live in a place and escape from earthquakes, hurricanes and tornadoes the weather can still get you with hail.    :(
  • Some friends are vacationing ot there right now and their rental car got destroyed too. Not fun. Sorry you're dealing with this.
  • hoffsehoffse member
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    I'm sorry you are dealing with this - that sucks.

    Be very happy/proud of yourselves that you guys have an emergency fund that can cover your deductibles.  Most Americans couldn't come up with the money to handle a $1,000 emergency without charging it.

    I've told this story before I think, but I have a friend whose house blew away in the tornadoes that hit the university of Alabama a few years ago.  They lost everything, but she was just grateful that they were all OK and they had the funds to cover the insurance and also start the process of replacing everything before the insurance paid out.  She's a positive person and viewed it like your H in that she used it as an opportunity to upgrade.

    Best of luck dealing with that - I hope the process with your insurance company goes smoothly!
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  • that sucks - I remember when I was a kid and our neighborhood got softball size hail.  Everyone got new roofs that year.
  • That's a lot of damage!  Be grateful (which I'm sure you are) that your emergency fund is there and that all of that damage will "only" cost $1,500 to repair!!!
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  • bmo88bmo88 member
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    Definitely glad we have the funds and the deductibles make it affordable. Our concern is about an increased policy premium, but my guess is that the rates would go up anyway because so many others in the area are filing claims.
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  • bmo88 said:
    Definitely glad we have the funds and the deductibles make it affordable. Our concern is about an increased policy premium, but my guess is that the rates would go up anyway because so many others in the area are filing claims.
    That would be my concern too.  They seem to always increase it after you place a claim and the claim stays on your policy for awhile I think.

    Personally once our home owners insurance raises up to $1200 I bait and switch.  we are about there.  I will need to find another company next year.
  • bmo88bmo88 member
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    edited July 2016
    vlagrl35 said:
    bmo88 said:
    Definitely glad we have the funds and the deductibles make it affordable. Our concern is about an increased policy premium, but my guess is that the rates would go up anyway because so many others in the area are filing claims.
    That would be my concern too.  They seem to always increase it after you place a claim and the claim stays on your policy for awhile I think.

    Personally once our home owners insurance raises up to $1200 I bait and switch.  we are about there.  I will need to find another company next year.
    Fortunately our policy is only $676 this year and we just renewed in May. So hoping it doesn't get too high next year.
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  • smerkasmerka member
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    They dropped my parents after they made a claim for hail damage. Needless to say my parents were very unhappy. 
  • bmo88 said:
    vlagrl35 said:
    bmo88 said:
    Definitely glad we have the funds and the deductibles make it affordable. Our concern is about an increased policy premium, but my guess is that the rates would go up anyway because so many others in the area are filing claims.
    That would be my concern too.  They seem to always increase it after you place a claim and the claim stays on your policy for awhile I think.

    Personally once our home owners insurance raises up to $1200 I bait and switch.  we are about there.  I will need to find another company next year.
    Fortunately our policy is on $676 this year and we just renewed in May. So hoping it doesn't get too high next year.
    who do you go with?  When we went with state farm 4 years ago it was around $800 and now its $1100 with zero claims.  They love to raise the rates every year - doesn't matter what company.
  • bmo88bmo88 member
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    vlagrl35 said:
    bmo88 said:
    vlagrl35 said:
    bmo88 said:
    Definitely glad we have the funds and the deductibles make it affordable. Our concern is about an increased policy premium, but my guess is that the rates would go up anyway because so many others in the area are filing claims.
    That would be my concern too.  They seem to always increase it after you place a claim and the claim stays on your policy for awhile I think.

    Personally once our home owners insurance raises up to $1200 I bait and switch.  we are about there.  I will need to find another company next year.
    Fortunately our policy is on $676 this year and we just renewed in May. So hoping it doesn't get too high next year.
    who do you go with?  When we went with state farm 4 years ago it was around $800 and now its $1100 with zero claims.  They love to raise the rates every year - doesn't matter what company.
    We switched to Progressive last year and our insurance went from $850 to $665. It only went up $11 this past year. We also bundle with our car insurance.
    Our house is valued around $300k, so not sure if that makes a ton of difference.
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  • I'm so sorry! How frustrating. Hope your insurance will be efficient!
  • bmo88 said:
    vlagrl35 said:
    bmo88 said:
    vlagrl35 said:
    bmo88 said:
    Definitely glad we have the funds and the deductibles make it affordable. Our concern is about an increased policy premium, but my guess is that the rates would go up anyway because so many others in the area are filing claims.
    That would be my concern too.  They seem to always increase it after you place a claim and the claim stays on your policy for awhile I think.

    Personally once our home owners insurance raises up to $1200 I bait and switch.  we are about there.  I will need to find another company next year.
    Fortunately our policy is on $676 this year and we just renewed in May. So hoping it doesn't get too high next year.
    who do you go with?  When we went with state farm 4 years ago it was around $800 and now its $1100 with zero claims.  They love to raise the rates every year - doesn't matter what company.
    We switched to Progressive last year and our insurance went from $850 to $665. It only went up $11 this past year. We also bundle with our car insurance.
    Our house is valued around $300k, so not sure if that makes a ton of difference.
    thats cool.  I don't know what our house is valued at - bought at $195k and I think they estimate it about $230k to rebuild it.  Do they have local offices you can go and talk to an agent to or is it all online?
  • @vlagrl35: I have always just called or gone online for Progressive.
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  • Ugh I am so sorry that happened to you but I am glad nobody was injured!

    There's definitely a silver lining. About 10 years ago now we had a huge hail storm in our area and most of the existing homes had significant enough roof damage that most people were able to file insurance claims to get them repaired. It made house hunting nice for us because most of the homes we saw had newer roofs and we didn't have to worry about roof replacement cost in the immediate future. My parents took advantage of their insurance claim to contribute a few thousand extra to get upgrade shingles and new gutters on their roof rather than just the basic ones that the insurance claim covered as well.
  • julieanne912julieanne912 member
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    edited August 2016
    Ugh that really sucks.  My car (and all of my coworkers cars) got hit by a storm that rolled through Aurora in Oct of 2014.  It was such a pain to get it fixed, and then the company I picked ended up being really shady (all the better shops were booked months and months out) and it turned into a huge fiasco.  I should have just waited to have it done by one of the better shops since the damage was just cosmetic.  My boss actually had an older paid off car... so he pocketed the money the insurance company gave him, sold the car (with the damage, so at a reduced price) and took the insurance money and put a large downpayment on a brand new car.  In my case, it had to go through my auto loan lender so no such luck doing that :)

    Also, before I met H, when his house was only a year old, it got hit by hail and wind, and his insurance gave him money to replace the roof, all the gutters, and even his grill that was sitting outside.  He just did the roof and kept the rest of the money since the damage wasn't even that bad.

    I hate to say this, but thankfully, since this happens here in CO so often, it doesn't really affect insurance, other than there might be an increase in rates for everyone in the state.  I know my insurance didn't go up at all after my claim on my car, and it was a $7,000ish claim.  I was also with Progressive at the time, and the claim process was very easy with them.
  • Ugh, I'm sorry, that really sucks....I hope everything can get taken care of quickly! 
  • Sorry to hear that happened!  That is a lot of damage, such a bummer.

    I didn't own a home at the time, but had rental insurance when Hurricane Katrina hit NOLA/MS.  It took 2.5 months before my rental insurance company would even return my call!!!  Ugh!

    I was recently reviewing my policies with my insurance agent and mentioned that I like to keep a high deductible because, unless there is really substantial damage, I'd never use my insurance anyway for fear of super high rates.

    What she told me is that, insurance companies don't "raise" your rate after an incident.  But you do "lose" your "no claim" discount.  Which sounds like a lot of "6 of one, half dozen of another" to me.  But, okay.

    I actually just got my insurance documents in the mail for the coming year and I did see what she was talking about.  I have a 25% discount for no claims.  I'm sure there is similar info with your policy or you can ask your agent.  That should give you an idea if/how much your insurance will go up.

  • bmo88bmo88 member
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    edited August 2016
    UPDATE

    Insurance adjusters finally made it out. There is $22,401.32 worth of damage to our home and $9,350 of damage to DH's car. 

    So we have decided to get a check ($6,700) for DH's car and put it toward a new one. They are mailing us a check for the house damages. Now we have to start the process of getting a new roof, gutters, siding and windows. Ugh...
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  • Why the $2600 difference on the car?
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  • @jtmh2012: His car was only worth $7,200 (according to their estimate). So the damage exceeded that (it was totaled). We had a $500 deductible, so after that, they gave us a check for $6,700.
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  • Thanks for the update.  That's a lot of repairs to get done.  Such a hassle, but hang in there!

    One of my coworkers keeps an apartment in NOLA for work, but his house is in Baton Rouge.  In all the recent flooding and devastation going on, his BR house got 41" of flood waters.  I don't envy either of you :(.

  • Oh man, that's a lot of damage.  I'm sorry.

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  • Ugh! Good luck with everything!
  • Thanks for the update.  That's a lot of repairs to get done.  Such a hassle, but hang in there!

    One of my coworkers keeps an apartment in NOLA for work, but his house is in Baton Rouge.  In all the recent flooding and devastation going on, his BR house got 41" of flood waters.  I don't envy either of you :(.

    I have heard about the damages and flooding in Lousiana, it's so devastating. We are really lucky to not be dealing with complete home loss. It will be a headache to get things fixed, but we are safe, have a home and lucky.
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  • Second Update

    Well, we have started the car shopping process, which is proving to be interesting. DH wants to purchase a new car, but I am trying to get him to consider a certified pre-owned since they are quite a bit cheaper than new and still come with warranties. But he is quite stubborn. In all other things in life, he is fine with used, (his first two cars were used), but he is somehow set in wanting to buy new...ugh. But we have set a strict budget to stay under and his check from the insurance (about $6,500) will go toward the down payment. 

    For the home, we got a contractor to come out and he estimated our repairs would be around $28,000. Our insurance originally estimated about $22,000. The contractor said it was common (their common has lots of great reviews and have been around for 20 years), so he said they will handle the process of going back and forth with insurance to get the full amount needed. We will get an upgraded roof (due to code requirements) and better gutters, so I guess that is good. 

    Also, the insurance credited us $3,900 to repair our cedar split rail fence and $275 to replace personal items (grill covers, lawn statues). But the fence is fine, just has some dings and a few chunks missing. The insurance doesn't require proof of complete replacement, so we are going to replace the top rails ($150) and can bank the remaining funds. So that is kind of nice perk from dealing with all of this!
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  • julieanne912julieanne912 member
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    @bmo88  that's what H did when he got a claim... they gave him money for a roof, gutters, fencing and even to replace his grill.  He just did the roof and kept the rest since the damage was very minimal to those items.

    As for the car thing, have you looked at the rates of new vs used?  I just bought a new car, and was originally looking at lower mileage used (in the 20-30k mile range), since that's how I always buy cars.  The prices on used were a bit less than new, but once we wheeled and dealed, a brand new one was only about 4k more than the used one, but the rates available for the new one were better, so it ended up working out to be a pretty similar payment etc... plus got the full warranty.  I didn't pay anywhere near the sticker price.  Dealers can do a lot more haggling with new car pricing than used, especially right now if you're looking at 2016 models.   They're trying to unload those to make room for the 2017s, and they're offering 0% on a lot of the 2016 dealer stock.

    I also learned from our neighbor, who used to be in the car business, that for new cars, dealers get incentives from the manufacturers for selling a certain # of vehicles per month... the price of those vehicles becomes almost irrelevant.  So they're also willing to deal more just to add it to their sales volume.   

    The only other thing to consider is the cost of tags... new will set you back a lot more than one that's even a few years old.  I just did mine a week ago and they were $832 :(   For my old car, it was a 2013 and I had just gotten the card in the mail, they would have been $297.  
  • smetter04smetter04 member
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    edited August 2016
    @bmo88  that's what H did when he got a claim... they gave him money for a roof, gutters, fencing and even to replace his grill.  He just did the roof and kept the rest since the damage was very minimal to those items.

    As for the car thing, have you looked at the rates of new vs used?  I just bought a new car, and was originally looking at lower mileage used (in the 20-30k mile range), since that's how I always buy cars.  The prices on used were a bit less than new, but once we wheeled and dealed, a brand new one was only about 4k more than the used one, but the rates available for the new one were better, so it ended up working out to be a pretty similar payment etc... plus got the full warranty.  I didn't pay anywhere near the sticker price.  Dealers can do a lot more haggling with new car pricing than used, especially right now if you're looking at 2016 models.   They're trying to unload those to make room for the 2017s, and they're offering 0% on a lot of the 2016 dealer stock.

    I also learned from our neighbor, who used to be in the car business, that for new cars, dealers get incentives from the manufacturers for selling a certain # of vehicles per month... the price of those vehicles becomes almost irrelevant.  So they're also willing to deal more just to add it to their sales volume.   

    The only other thing to consider is the cost of tags... new will set you back a lot more than one that's even a few years old.  I just did mine a week ago and they were $832 :(   For my old car, it was a 2013 and I had just gotten the card in the mail, they would have been $297.  
    I'm seconding @julieanne912 - we just bought a new car and had started the search intending to buy used, but also found that with better interest rates, the total cost of a new car is comparable or better than a used car that is 1-3 years old with 20-30k miles. Especially in the compact crossover segment, vehicles keep their value pretty well for the first 2-3 years so we paid a couple more thousand for the car itself but saved a lot in interest.

    @bmo88 obviously you and your H need to decide together what is best for you, this is just food for thought that it may be beneficial to compare used vs. new. Good luck!

    ETA: @bmo88 I don't know what type of car you're looking for, but we found that the Kia Soul seems to be a pretty good bang for your buck.
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