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House GOP is blaming it on Pelosi's speech
WTF?
You spend all that time working and you change your vote not because of the language of the bill but Pelosi's speech
CNBC
Re: House GOP is blaming it on Pelosi's speech
Ditto your WTF.
(Watching it on MSNBC).
Also, a big resounding WTF to the "This is Congress failing to act, and let me point out that we aren't in the majority of that Congress that failed to act today."
Screw you, house republicans.
Help me out, I can't use my speakers....
They had the majority committed to vote Yes, but then Pelosi made some kind of summary/thanks/closing speech right before the vote and they all changed their minds?
Really?
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
Obviously, it didn't pass because McCain was pressured to take part in the Prez debate on Friday night. If he had been in DC during those 2 hours, he could have changed everything!
That's not what the reps on t.v. seem to be implying....
One of them just held up a copy of Pelosi's speech and claimed, "THIS is why the bill failed."
I'm not overly impressed with either side of the aisle today. It was pretty clear that this comprimise wasn't going to pass - why not continue negotiations until there is certainty that it will? Doesn't this failure reflect poorly on pretty much everyone, and inject a ton more anxiety into the market?
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Yep. So out of spite for Pelosi's speech several of them changed their vote.
Bachus and Boehner urged them- in their speeches today-to vote Yes
He does have a point. ?The Democrats could have passed the bill without the Republicans.
This makes no sense. This morning they were confident they had the votes. Then people on both sides of the aisle defected.
How is that Pelosi's fault? Her speech was so offensive that people from her own party changed their minds? No one even listens to those speeches!
Reps meaning HOUSE REPS not Republicans. Sorry.
And that guy (Alabama) was a Republican. Honestly a lot of those speaking in favor when I was watching were Republicans but that might have been due to my timing. I don't know. I don't normally watch CSpan - nothing else was on and I'm home sick.
I have no idea what she said in that speech but House Reps were on tv all weekend long and last week talking about how much they don't support this bill. Pelosi's speech might be an example of what they disagree with, but they absolutely did not change their minds on anything. Why else would they make their own alternative plan? Why else would they be having meetings with Bush and Paulson about it? Here's an article dated last Tuesday that says the House Reps don't support the bailout bill: http://www.cfo.com/article.cfm/12286993
Ditto, caden. Plus, if they(Dems) had such support-why were there 228 nays? Um, they(the Nays) needed Dems to cross the aisle on it. Sorry, but the Dems are just as much to blame for getting us into this debacle as they are with not getting this thing to pass. Blaming the Repubs is ridiculous. Write a better bill, morAns.
The speech riled Repubs, and maybe some Dems, and I am glad it did.
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
No, he doesn't. He's trying to claim that this is entirely the Dems fault, while conveniently failing to note that 133 republicans voted against it, too.
I stand by my "screw you" for their obvious attempts to politicize this issue by demonizing the Democrats in Congress.
(FWIW - the Dems did no such thing during their speech to reporters - their speech was more along the lines of "We made a lot of concessions in this bill, and moved it pretty far right, but obviously that wasn't enough for some of our colleagues. We need to get back to work and find something that is TRULY a middle ground.")
It was House Representatives, not House Republicans. So, 'screw you' should be equally distributed.
Didn't Boehner say to vote yes "if their conscience allowed it" or some crap like that? He didn't exactly stick his neck out because he probably knew many Republicans wouldn't go along regardless and he'd look impotent.
And I was talking about the speech that I just watched them make on TV, which I think says a lot more about their thoughts TODAY, then about their speeches over the weekend. The House Reps are EXPLICITLY blaming Pelosi's speech for their voting pattern today.
p.s. In re: changing their minds. Umm...yeah, they did. According to the latest newscasts, they were missing 12 republican votes that they had been promised. Sure sounds like some people changed their minds....
Sorry, but that is bs. 95 Dems went over to the Nays and they did NOT need Repubs in this if they wanted it to pass. They did not have them--so, either it was a bad bill, these Dems are not in favor of bailing out a poorly managed gov't company or bias can not be made solely against Republicans.
caden, I could not disagree more. This is the free rider issue I spoke about earlier. I believe many of those Republicans believe the bill needed to pass, but could pass without them, and decided it was safer in an election year to vote against spending that much money.
Why should the Dems have to bear all the political risk in this? No bill which the Republicans refuse en masse to approve is ever going to make it through the House. They should know that.
Revisionist History Alert! It was the Dems that first blamed McCain and Republicans for sabotaging this bill when the Reps did nothing more than come up with a creative alternative after being completely shut out of negotiations.
It's BS they made "a lot of concessions." The latest draft looked just like the original draft.
The House Reps never supported this bill and I will say it again - they don't need to in order for this bill to pass. If Dems wanted this bill it would be law. Today.
Tef,
Did you even read what I said?
I said I thought it was despicable that they were demonizing the dems while failing to mention that they voted against it, too. The dems aren't out there solely blaming the reps, but the reps are out there COMPLETELY blaming the dems.
THAT is bs.
Someone did say if their conscience allows it. I didn't catch the name of the guy but it was likely the one you're talking about.
I personally felt the best speech today (that I saw) was the guy from Alabama. Is that Bacus? I have no idea. How would I find out?