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Re: House GOP is blaming it on Pelosi's speech
If you can listen to audio here is the link:
http://www.c-spanarchives.org/congress/?q=node/77539&hors=h#
Boehner speech is the one towards the end of the page above Frank. I am not sure which one of the "Bachus" is his speech.
Tef and Caden,
You guys are seriously okay with the reps behaviour today in the press conference? With them claiming that the reason the bill didn't pass was Pelosi's speech, and then trying to blame ONLY the dems for the bill failing?
Maybe I'm reading you guys wrong, but that's what I'm getting from both of your posts...
Both sides are politicizing it. Both sides are terrified that they need to pass something the public hates a month before the election, and neither wants to be solely responsible for it. The intrusion of presidential politics didn't help this aspect either. And at the end of the day it's their own fault for not selling it to the public so they would understand the necessity.
Congress sucks donkey Cheney.
I don't take it as blaming, but as saying it awakened their distaste for the bill. I don't think you can honestly blame a speech as the reason one votes against or for a bill. So, no, I am not appalled by their behavior for I thought it was a lousy bill aimed to save the asses of those in Congress who looked the other way when Fannie and Freddie, namely, were allowing for poor accounting processes.
Ditto, caden, on the bill looking very much the same as the draft. So, if no concessions were made, who are we to blame but the bill writers/developers?
Could not have said the part of selling it to the public any better.
How can you disagree with the fact that the Dems have a majority in Congress? That's not an opinion. If the Dems supported this bill that's all they need to make it law. Bush isn't going to veto it.
That the Dems know this bill sucks and Americans hate it only reinforces how weak the congressional Dems are. They can't do what you and they think is right b/c they're scared out of their minds. If this bill was worth passing then it should be passed without the Reps. That's their job. Bills don't need bipartisan support, only a majority.
This is a golden opportunity for Dems. All they have to do is pass this bill, show how imperitive it is for the economy (which should be simple if that's the truth) and then blame Reps for standing in the way of it. Everyone knows the House Reps don't support it. Yet look at them. They can't even get their own party to support it. Your party is imploding right before our eyes.
But that is exactly what Blunt and Cantor said. Cantor even held up a copy of Pelosi's speech. There was another Repub. but I cannot remember their name.
Honest - no snark intended - but did you watch the press conference? Because I did (and still am).
And there was NO doubt that the reps were blaming Pelosi (like I said, one of them held up a copy of here speech and said "THIS is why the bill failed) and were blaming only the dems (paraphrasing here but, "This is a failure of Congress, and I would like to point out that we aren't the majority in the Congress that failed today).
The dems, on the other hand, were being VERY careful not to put this on the reps. The comment (and whether or not you agree with whether changes were made is a different issue) was, "We made a lot of concessions to this, moving it pretty fair right, but that apparently wasn't enough for our colleagues. We need to get back to work to find the TRUE middle ground for this." In other words, the dems were saying we did a lot, but obviously not enough. We need to reach the real middle ground here. That was NOT blaming just the reps, but instead pointing out that the bill was flawed because it wasn't palatable to both sides.
HUGE difference in rep and dem behaviour at the press conference.
HOW DOES POINTING FINGERS MAKE THIS SITUATION ANY BETTER?!
Do you think negotiations will go better now? Do you? House Republicans are shooting themselves and this country in the foot.
WTF? The "Administrator" here is ticking me off. I put something in the wrong post and can't delete it and now I can't paste it here b/c the board is configured to not allow same postings. WTF.
Anyway...trying again.
Here's some excerpts of Bachus' speech. Yes it was him I was talking about
Bachus, the ranking Republican on the House Financial Services Committee, called it the most difficult decision he has made in his 16 years in Congress.
"I have decided the cost of not acting outweighs the cost of acting," Bachus said in a dramatic speech on the floor of the U.S. House before the vote.
To not pass the plan could lead to companies going out of business, more bank failures and damage to pensions.
"I'm not willing to put that bullet in the revolver and spin it. I'm not willing to take that gamble. I'm not willing to pull that trigger. Because I'm not willing to subject the American people to the worst case scenario," Bachus said.
"I will take the political risk but I will not take a risk on the American people and their future and their prosperity -- of my children and of my grandchildren," Bachus said to applause.
The House is getting ready to vote.
And that is why I said you can not. These 2 are not the WHOLE party. Not even close.
Faulty logic.
These two may only be two people, but they were representing the entirety of the party in the House to the press.
DITTO.
I'm not blaming Repubs strictly, either. It's hard to say though on an individual level who is thinking for themselves and who's trying to hide in the herd.
Most people have a low opinion of Congress, but a high opinion of their own representative. I think people in the House know that, hence why they are more likely to vote No, since this bailout is not very popular among average voters.
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
Well said.
BLUNT. UGH. Loserdom runs in the family. His kid was such a horrible governor that he's not even running for reelection because everyone knows he'd lose.
"As of page 2 this might be the most boring argument ever. It's making me long for Rape Day." - Mouse
IT DOES NOT MAKE IT BETTER. The bill was flawed and I think it was caden or pescalita that said both sides are to blame. You may not choose to believe this, but they are. If it was so supported by the Dems as a whole, and we are honestly in such dire straits in this area that it needs to be done asap as opposed to rewriting, then why couldn't they get the majority SINCE THEY HAVE IT. I am not pleased that these 2 gentlemen made comments that could be taken this way as to say that this is the "whole reason we killed the bill" and not "this bill was not good and would not help the people of the US in ANY WAY".
The latter would have been more in line with how the Repubs (well, many anyway) are feeling towards this bill and the bailout and there would have been no miscontrueing, which is how I see their poor choice of words as coming across. The partisan voice is not a way to get people that are waffling anyway, imo, and this is what happened.
Tef,
The point was that the reps were blaming the Dems EXCLUSIVELY, in their press conference. The dems were NOT blaming the reps exclusively in their press conference.
You obviously didn't watch Pelosi's speech. You're acting like this was all bipartisan roses and sunshine until the press conference. Pelosi's speech was an insulting, scathing anti-Bush rant. Was that supposed to be an effort at healing the partisan divide? Did she, or you, seriously think that would get people who hate this bill to support it? You are dreaming if you think Reps are the ones politicizing this.
At this point in time, it does no good, whatsoever, to lay blame. PERIOD.
Well, then I stand corrected. The Dems are obviously the better party for trying to right the Congress' wrongs.
Who cares what happened in a press conference? This never would have happened if Pelosi hadn't embarrassed your party by being a ranting, partisan hack on the House floor.
This bill failed b/c democrats didn't support it. Period. She can't even get her own party to go along with her on a bill that is supposedly critically necessary. She is an epic failure.
Who cares about the press conference? Ummm...obviously the people here who were talking about the press conference!
We were talking about parties blaming parties DURING THE PRESS CONFERENCE for the failure of the bill.
And it's good to see that a Libertarian like yourself is so good and spouting the republican party line on this bill. Could the bill have passed if all the dems voted for it? Yep. But could it also have passed if some of the 133 reps who voted against it voted for it? Hell yeah.
Trying to BLAME one party for this bill's failure is just wrong.
But I am sure you did that in the beginning of this thread with your 'screw you' comment.
The 133 would never have voted it and I just needed 70 votes which would probably not have happened. So, I think Pelosi is a big factor here in that she could not shore up Dem support ( 21 of those Dems that went with the Nays would have been all that would be needed, but it was 95 that went Nay). I agree-blaming is fine for the stump, but if we are to believe we are in such dire straights then it is not a good game to play. BUT, neither is partisanship.
Tef,
The "screw you"comment was in reference to them blaming solely the dems for the bills failure, while refusing to acknowledge the rep role. It wasn't me blaming the reps for the bill failing. Big difference.
This thread blew up b/c Reps were accused of politicizing the issue, when in fact it was Pelosi that ruined this vote by politicizing it. The press conference didn't occur in a vacuum, like you are insinuating. It was precipitated by vile attacks by a Dem. Pelosi needs to be committed if she thought that speech would evoke bipartisanship.
Why on earth would the House Reps support this bill? It is nothing like their proposal. They have very little input on it. They've done nothing but speak out against it. It's been the Dems working with Paulson. This is a Dem bill. It's their job to pass it.
p.s. I'm not a libertarian. I'm a conservative republican.