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Re: To quote MCD - gender semantics discussion
Nope. I have a great one at home.
Seriously, I like being whom I am. I am definitely not 100% female, and I hate the restrictions society places on, and the discrimination society towards, females but I do like being a woman.
first of all, it's very presumptive to assume that everyone on this board has been to college. Second, even if they did, not everyone is required to even take an into level behavioral science class. And even if they did, it was maybe intro psych. And I'd hardly say it's "drilled" in Psych 101. I'm sure it was certinly mentioned in ONE class, but that hardly implies that someone retained that information.
Wow man.... I really hope you're not trying to pull a Tanline on us right now and implying something about those of us who do not have an undergraduate degree.
updated 10.03.12
It's not about who cooks, cleans, rears children, or who brings home the bacon. It's about who is the head of household and who is there to serve.
and HA, look, I even captured it in quotes so she can't edit it out. She said I was RIGHT!!! Great way to start a Monday...
Great minds think alike MB...
Doesn't serving imply cooking, cleaning, children - all things which have, historically, been considered women's work.
To your previous response - I was drawing a parallel about correcting people. I never said they were equal issues. I know they aren't.
Just like Neuner said, it's an interesting topic, and could have led to interesting discussion. You just sort of killed it with your delivery. I'm just wondering why you refuse to acknowledge that you did it sort of awkwardly. It was common knowledge at my college, too, but if somebody went to a more conservative school, or got a B.S. you should understand why it wouldn't be common knowledge for them.
No matter how you swing your delivery, you're either judging people for misusing the words, or judging them for not knowing. You say you're trying to help, but you really don't come off that way.ETA: Ha! I quoted the wrong thing. Oops!
For realz.
updated 10.03.12
I often say people are right.
I wasn't being presumptive. I KNOW that most people on here have been to college, they've said it. And, I wasn't saying anything about people who didn't go to college. I was simply saying that most college graduates, 2 of 4 year, have been exposed to this concept.
And, yes, it was mentioned in MY intro classes and it was such an important concept, I think I would have retained it.
But, yes, again YOU'RE RIGHT, I shouldn't have assumed that.
STILL when I mentioned it, MB looked at the research and she still thinks she's right. So, how do you explain that?
Yes. Thank you. I need to learn how to type.
Sorry, couldn't handle giant quote thread
But see, that's where you are also very narrow minded. I know that sex =/= gender, but I also know that like 75% of the world uses them interchangably. And when someone uses gender when they mean sex, I take it for what it's worth and not look like as ass by correcting them.
Thank you.
updated 10.03.12
Yes, I acknowledge that my delivery killed the prospect of a debate.
However, the point you're missing is that I didn't think my comment was going to lead for a debate so I wasn't trying to set one up.
I do apologize for assuming. Like I said, in my life, it's common knowledge. I would be open to a debate now. Perhaps in a new post.
Not quite. The wife is called to submit to her husband. Submission, means the man has a mission for the family, and the wife is there to aide him in that mission. I don't think, I could be wrong, but I don't think there is any New Testament scripture that indicates that a wife is to serve her husband and bend to his will.
The husband is equally if not more responsible to love his wife as Christ loved the church. (which is the following scripture to the wives submit to your husbands) If Christ was willing to die for the church and do all that he did, the husband should never be in a place of authority that is a threat or a negative to the wife or family.
I'm not there to serve my husband any more than he is to serve me. God made Eve from the rib of Adam, to be by his side, not behind or in front. As a team.
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Yes, very true.
However, most of the time, the husband did tell the wife to stay home and do those things.
But, I see what you're seeing, and what DD was trying to tell me.
I did NOT try to make anyone look like an ass with my OP about all this. It was only after MB looked at the evidence and still thought she was wife, that I was astounded.
Okay, yes, you know that they're different and you know that people don't know that - you don't think it's your responsibility (not as a social worker, but as a person) to educate people? Lack of education is what leads to things like killing a gay high school student or raping a pre op patient.
I agree with what you're saying.
When I said biblical, I meant the old testament.
I am not religious, and therefore do not believe in the bible, however I agree that my husband should serve me 50% and I should serve him 50% - not that it's ever exactly 50/50.
So using "gender" and "sex" interchangeably makes one a threat to society? Awesome...
updated 10.03.12
Yes. By continuing on, being ignorant of the true definitions of these words, you are allowing these myths to continue on.
Nowhere did I say that if the wife disagrees with the husband that the husband has the right to inflict punishment on her. My intent was to explain to SW2B that biblical roles are more broad than just "husband makes the money, wife takes care of the house and kids." I'm sorry if I was not clear enough.
I was going to stay out of this but I agree with neuner. Since I was a science major for most of my time there, I only took intro psych because I needed an elective and it fit into my schedule. It was not a required class to take. The whole gender vs. sex topic was only discussed for less than half a class. Honestly, I didn't even remember it until I came onto the bump boards and saw people calling eachother out for using the wrong word. I also agree that there is a difference between a healthy discussion and calling people out and making them feel stupid. Hopefully you do not do that with your clients because I do not see how that would help any one of them.
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Amelia -
See, I disagree that the wife is to support the husband while the husband supports the church/christ.
I support my husband in his career and my husband supports me in my work and school.
That's how it should be, I think.
Really? Because I'm pretty sure your original post states: So, what do people think? Does everyone know that gender and sex are two very different things or is this a new concept for most?
Sounds like the opening for a debate/discussion was there. And, as Nooner pointed out, a rational, adult discussion would have been welcome. But, I am pretty sure you were only trying to start trouble....which is where you always screw yourself.
Mrs Mo -
I agree with what you/neuner said as well.
It was obviously different at my schools. However, since I didn't attend everyone else's schools, I assumed (apparently incorrectly) that it was this way everywhere else. That I do apologize for.
And, I wasn't trying to call anyone out, as I often use the wrong word as well, I was simply drawing everyone's attention to how important it is to be diligent on these types of matters.
I didn't say you made the OP look like an ass, I meant you made yourself look like an ass.
And yes, to an extent it is my responsibility to correct misconceptions like this. I deal with it every day with mental health and addiction stigmas. At the same time, I want to behave in socially appropriate manners. And there are times and places when that it more important than my social responsbility. You basic cost-benefit analysis. It was more important to be supportive to Tara. Same if I'm having a conversation at a cocktail party with a bunch of strangers. I'm not going to choose that avenue to "educate the world!" It's not appropriate.
Well damn, look what I started. And I used the term "sex" in my post, not "gender" but if you were jumping on someone else for interchanging the words (I didn't notice any specifics last time I read the thread), who the fluck cares?!?! People interchange those words all the time; I really don't think that's causing the problem with society's views towards transgendered individuals.
SW2B, if you went on any of The Bump boards, you'd see the use of "gender" instead of "sex" ALL the freaking time. Some people do correct other posters, but it never turns into this big of a debate. No one's threatening society here. I was an English and linguistics major and I'm a huge grammar Nazi (who is prone to all kinds of typos) and I'm not particularly bothered by this issue at all. There are far worse things to worry about impacting society than switching around "sex" and "gender."
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