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"but the first year of marriage is so hard..."

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Re: "but the first year of marriage is so hard..."

  • Marriage is not the problem, it is your relationship.

  • imageMsSara0:
    My husband and I do not have that underlying love that can get us through anything.  I realize that sounds like some fairy-tale bullshiit, but you get the point.  We don't have the foundation we need.

    I bolded this for emphasis. You answered your own question with this statement. 

    The first year of marriage can be tough BUT nowhere near as tough as it has been for you guys.

    It's okay to be done with it and don't ever let anyone else tell you how to feel about your decision. Make yourself happy.

  • imoanimoan member
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    imagesmock.smock:
    imageMsSara0:
    imagedoglove:

    imageMsSara0:
    We went through the fight of money, combining accounts, who's responsible for writing checks, all that. 

    What exactly was the fight of money?

    After we combined accounts it was a struggle to pay attention to one another's spending habits, etc.  Sometimes I'd use the debit card knowing we had money, but not realizing one of his bills was coming out (like his car payment that I wasn't used to having, etc) and then there'd be like $5 left for the week.  Stuff like that.  It was an adjustment for both of us to realize we now had each other's bills to pay and each others random charges, etc.

    Kinda like right after you separated and he spent all your money in the joint account? Like that?

    "I checked our joint account yesterday and it's -$90.  He charged the balance and some this weekend so it cleared to negative yesterday.  He said it's because I told him to stop spending $ on his credit card so often that he chose to use our account for big purchases this weekend, knowing we were separating assets and all.  He told me last night the usual song and dance about how much I suck, etc.  "

    This guy is a douche. Really, don't look back.  

    Smock just did something good...

    Sara, go back and read your previous posts about your H. Then come back to us and tell us that he's just such a great guy who is misunderstood and all of this can be chalked up to first year jitters.

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  • imageBeebeeEater:

    imageESDReturns:
    I honestly never understood that. I could see maybe if you didn't live together beforehand. There might be some adjustment needed, but the first year of marriage is no harder than any other year of marriage. What crap.

    Yes!

    Also, it's not just the first year that's tough. When two lives are so intertwined, there's always going to be a little friction. The pp who said your spouse shouldn't make your life more difficult has it right. Life is hard enough - families fight, friends screw you over, people die, jobs come and go, money gets tight. Shiit happens. It's how you deal with it as a couple that determines how successful your marriage will be. And I think you know that the person you chose wasn't the best option for you. Stick to your guns.

    Anyone who wants to can have their opinion of your marriage, but in the end, YOU are the only one who has to live with him. YOU are the only one who has to deal with him day in and day out. YOU are the only one who can make the choice whether it's worth sucking it up and sticking it out.

    This is exactly what broke the camels back.  I needed my husband more than anything not too long ago and no matter what he did, it just didn't bring me the closure or security I needed.  He just didn't know how to be the support I needed and it really shook me to my core that if he can't help me in my most desperate time (since he and I were together, this was the hardest thing I've faced) then he can't possible get me through this life that will bring even harder things for me to face. 

  • imageimoan:
    The first year of my marriage was tough.  No, we didn't live together before we got married... but it had nothing to do with that.  It had to do with my mother being a homeless crack addict during that time.  So yes, I was stressed out and depressed beyond belief... so that first year is not looked back on with fond memories.  HOWEVER, the difference is that my H made my life better and easier during that time.  That's the difference.

    Right, and that's the key. OP, life is hard, and your marriage shouldn't make it harder.  

  • imageMsSara0:

    I was ok with this decision up until this weekend when suddenly everyone was saying how hard that first year can be, and they felt like maybe I was rushing this decision.  I tried to explain that even though we've only been "married" a year, we've been together 4+ and it we've broken up many times, so this isn't something I just woke up on a Tuesday and decided.

    This is the key.  If you have to keep breaking up, the relationship does not work.  It's as simple as that.

    I'm sure it's normal to have doubts about whether you're doing the right thing when you make the big decision to divorce.  In this case, I think you just need to disregard your doubts.  A square peg does not fit in a round hole, and the people trying to tell you otherwise are idiots.

    I'm curious: who initiated the past breakups, and why did you always get back together?

  • imageimoan:
    But Sara, you had your first year (and a half) BEFORE you got married.  So you can't write off the issues as relating to the first year.  You were living together for a year and a half before the wedding day and had all of the "we've just moved in and are adjusting to each other" kinks.  You're grasping at straws.

    Please understand that I do not want to.  It's not in my heart to second guess this or make reasons/excuses of why, etc.  In my heart I want to leave, but suddenly this outside comments and things have my mind racing that maybe I'm making a mistake. 

    I'm allowing other people and their personal experiences/opinions get the best of me.  If this isn't my biggest flaw...  shiit.  I'm so mad at myself for this. 

  • imagerenegade gaucho:
    Also, this isn't always the case, but I've notice that often the people who claim that the first year of marriage is hard are in crappy relationships, and they use the first-year bit as a defense mechanism- they like to convince themselves that it's just something everyone goes through and isn't indicative of serious problems.  Every single person I've known in real life who has complained about the first year being hard continued to have the same problems long after the first year.

    I wondered this as well!!  It's like a blanket excuse that's way over-used! 

  • I'd like to tell you a story.

    I was engaged once to a man who was nice, a giant mama's boy, but he was nice. We had the entire wedding planned, all the deposits made and everything ready to go and I decided I could not marry him because I was not happy.

    I called my mother and said, "Mom, I do not think I want to get married. I am very unhappy."

    My mother said to me, "Well doglove, FI is a very nice person and I think you need to keep working at this relationship until you feel happy, you are lucky to find a caring person."

    Me: "Mom, I can only do so much work to "fix" things when he does nothing."

    Mom: "Well, I think you just need to keep at it."

    And I had two similar conversations with my sisters. I was very discouraged and thought something was WRONG WITH ME. I knew nothing would change and that he would not change and I could not go through with the wedding/marriage. Luckily, I had my father's support. He had been through a divorce before he married my mother and when I expressed how I felt, he told me that leaving now was the best option because it would only be harder later.

    It is very very difficult when your family disregards and discounts your feelings. It does not make them right. You need to seek out support in people you know you can trust. Friends, a therapist, a support group, whatever works best for you. Please trust your gut as well. You are the only one who completely understands your situation and knows yourself best.

  • imageMsSara0:

    imageimoan:
    But Sara, you had your first year (and a half) BEFORE you got married.  So you can't write off the issues as relating to the first year.  You were living together for a year and a half before the wedding day and had all of the "we've just moved in and are adjusting to each other" kinks.  You're grasping at straws.

    Please understand that I do not want to.  It's not in my heart to second guess this or make reasons/excuses of why, etc.  In my heart I want to leave, but suddenly this outside comments and things have my mind racing that maybe I'm making a mistake. 

    I'm allowing other people and their personal experiences/opinions get the best of me.  If this isn't my biggest flaw...  shiit.  I'm so mad at myself for this. 

    Just wanted to share this link:

    http://www.womansdivorce.com/emotional-stages-of-divorce.html

  • imagerenegade gaucho:
    imageMsSara0:

    That's why it's bothering me more than anything today.  It's my own mom that told me yesterday how hard the first year(s) can be.  She gave me a few war stories of her and my dad who've been married 30+ years.  After hearing those stories and her telling me how hard it can be at times, I feel like I'm being to hard on him.  But.  I keep telling my mom, that her and my dad at the end of every day have that love for each other that they're willing to stick by each other. My husband and I do not have that underlying love that can get us through anything.  I realize that sounds like some fairy-tale bullshiit, but you get the point.  We don't have the foundation we need.

    It's difficult to say without knowing more details, but it's very possible that your parents don't have a healthy relationship, either, despite sticking it out for more than 30 years.  If their ups and downs can be called "war stories" and they make your husband look not so bad by comparison, I'd have a hard time believing that they have genuine love for each other.  People stay in relationships all the time for reasons that have nothing to do with love.

    Part of me could agree with you.  My mom is insecure and I do find myself thinking that I never want to be like her.  I've told my dad numerous times that I could never have been married to him.  She takes a lot of crap and has taken a lot of crap over the years.  Ah.  Even writing this out loud makes me realize that it's her broken-hearted stories that make her think it's ok how my husband treats me.  Ugh.

  • imagedoglove:

    It is very very difficult when your family disregards and discounts your feelings. It does not make them right.

    This.  So many people like the status quo.  So - they are going to give you advice based on that.  You're married.  You should stay married.  And they will tell you whatever they need to tell you to make you believe this too.

    But it doesn't make it the right advice. 

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  • imageimoan:
    The first year of my marriage was tough.  No, we didn't live together before we got married... but it had nothing to do with that.  It had to do with my mother being a homeless crack addict during that time.  So yes, I was stressed out and depressed beyond belief... so that first year is not looked back on with fond memories.  HOWEVER, the difference is that my H made my life better and easier during that time.  That's the difference.

    I agree with you.  I do.  I want someone that picks me up, makes me feel like I could take on the world.. not that makes me feel like the whole world is against me.  You're right.  You're all right.  It's not first year bullshiit.  It's a failed marriage. 

  • imagerenegade gaucho:
    imageMsSara0:

    I am not in therapy yet. I keep saying that I need to be, I just haven't made the move to start finding someone I'm comfortable with.  Also, suddenly I feel like maybe he isn't so condescending, maybe I have the attitude problem since I expect him to be this wonderful person now that he's a "husband".  Does that even make sense?

    Well, you're half-right.  It IS unrealistic to expect someone who hasn't been a wonderful partner to become one simply because you exchanged rings.  But that doesn't mean you have to settle because you made a mistake.  It means you move on and, in the future, when someone you're dating shows major character flaws, you get out of the relationship.

    Someone said here before that the person you're dating will be the exact same person when you marry them.  I feel like that is so simple, yet somehow I missed that memo.  I don't know why I was convinced that getting married would add that extra bond we needed.  What an assshole.

  • Your Mom is trying to use code to you, because you would be pissed if she said MsSaraO your man is a jackhole and please don't marry him. You are hearing the bells and you don't want them to be wedding bells. How much happier are you now that you are not living with him? You are not marrying a man you cannot live with out.
  • I really think you should call a therapist today.  There's no reason not to.
  • The right person will make your life easier, happier, and more fulfilling.

    The wrong person will drag you down and make you feel like a failure.

    The good news is, you make your own happiness. You can choose which people to keep in your life and which people don't deserve your time and effort. 

    I think you're just getting cold feet because this is a big change and like ECB said, people are encouraging you to just stick to the status quo because it's what THEY are comfortable with. I'm echoing my previous post, but those people don't have to be married to him. You need to do what's best for Sara and forget about everyone else's opinion.

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  • imageFMIL&MOB:
    Your Mom is trying to use code to you, because you would be pissed if she said MsSaraO your man is a jackhole and please don't marry him. You are hearing the bells and you don't want them to be wedding bells. How much happier are you now that you are not living with him? You are not marrying a man you cannot live with out.

    Um, she's already married to the guy and trying to divorce him, and her mom is trying to convince her to stay in the marriage.  I'm not sure how that's code for "You should dump the _asshole".

  • imagesmock.smock:

    Kinda like right after you separated and he spent all your money in the joint account? Like that?

    "I checked our joint account yesterday and it's -$90.  He charged the balance and some this weekend so it cleared to negative yesterday.  He said it's because I told him to stop spending $ on his credit card so often that he chose to use our account for big purchases this weekend, knowing we were separating assets and all.  He told me last night the usual song and dance about how much I suck, etc.  "

    This guy is a douche. Really, don't look back.  

    Well, no.  That was the first time he ever did anything like that so I didn't have that big of a red flag prior to getting married.  Yes, I realize he's still a d-bag for doing this now.  I just wanted to be clear that this was not something he had done before getting married.

  • imagerenegade gaucho:

    imageMsSara0:
    Maybe I drive him crazy with my expectations which makes him treat me like crap since he feels like he can never win anyway.

    Well, from what you've posted in the past, I don't think this is what's going on, but even if it were, it would be an indication that you're not right for each other and you shouldn't be together.

    I guess that's true anyway.  So, it doesn't even really matter how we got to this point.  It just matters that we're in a shiitty spot and we both need out of it.

  • I never found marriage to be "hard".  Anniversary # 11 coming up next month and each year is better and better.
  • imagesteve&heather:

    imageMsSara0:
    My husband and I do not have that underlying love that can get us through anything.  I realize that sounds like some fairy-tale bullshiit, but you get the point.  We don't have the foundation we need.

    I bolded this for emphasis. You answered your own question with this statement. 

    The first year of marriage can be tough BUT nowhere near as tough as it has been for you guys.

    It's okay to be done with it and don't ever let anyone else tell you how to feel about your decision. Make yourself happy.

    That's where I'm still missing something.  I keep letting other people in and influence me and actually make me sit here and wonder if I'm wrong.  I can't stand on my own two feet and it's really starting to kill me.  Obviously I'm still leaning on what other people are telling me to be the correct response, and that's quite frankly what got me into this mess.  I let others convice me of why I should be married to him even though I doubted it all the time.  I feel so stupid, honestly.  And knowing that I'm still doing it is embarrassing.

  • imageimoan:
    imagesmock.smock:
    imageMsSara0:
    imagedoglove:

    imageMsSara0:
    We went through the fight of money, combining accounts, who's responsible for writing checks, all that. 

    What exactly was the fight of money?

    After we combined accounts it was a struggle to pay attention to one another's spending habits, etc.  Sometimes I'd use the debit card knowing we had money, but not realizing one of his bills was coming out (like his car payment that I wasn't used to having, etc) and then there'd be like $5 left for the week.  Stuff like that.  It was an adjustment for both of us to realize we now had each other's bills to pay and each others random charges, etc.

    Kinda like right after you separated and he spent all your money in the joint account? Like that?

    "I checked our joint account yesterday and it's -$90.  He charged the balance and some this weekend so it cleared to negative yesterday.  He said it's because I told him to stop spending $ on his credit card so often that he chose to use our account for big purchases this weekend, knowing we were separating assets and all.  He told me last night the usual song and dance about how much I suck, etc.  "

    This guy is a douche. Really, don't look back.  

    Smock just did something good...

    Sara, go back and read your previous posts about your H. Then come back to us and tell us that he's just such a great guy who is misunderstood and all of this can be chalked up to first year jitters.

    No, imoan.  I do not want to say that.  I do not in my heart feel that.  I am hearing things along those lines from other people and that is what's causing my stress and causing me to second guess.  I am not defending him or trying to chalk anything up.  I am trying to sort through what others have fed my brain this weekend.

  • imageMsSara0:

    That's where I'm still missing something.  I keep letting other people in and influence me and actually make me sit here and wonder if I'm wrong.  I can't stand on my own two feet and it's really starting to kill me.  Obviously I'm still leaning on what other people are telling me to be the correct response, and that's quite frankly what got me into this mess.  I let others convice me of why I should be married to him even though I doubted it all the time.  I feel so stupid, honestly.  And knowing that I'm still doing it is embarrassing.

    And this is why you need to get into therapy.

  • imagerenegade gaucho:
    imageMsSara0:

    I was ok with this decision up until this weekend when suddenly everyone was saying how hard that first year can be, and they felt like maybe I was rushing this decision.  I tried to explain that even though we've only been "married" a year, we've been together 4+ and it we've broken up many times, so this isn't something I just woke up on a Tuesday and decided.

    This is the key.  If you have to keep breaking up, the relationship does not work.  It's as simple as that.

    I'm sure it's normal to have doubts about whether you're doing the right thing when you make the big decision to divorce.  In this case, I think you just need to disregard your doubts.  A square peg does not fit in a round hole, and the people trying to tell you otherwise are idiots.

    I'm curious: who initiated the past breakups, and why did you always get back together?

    I broke up with him every time. I know, I know.  This just adds more to the "I'm an assshole" list.  We always got back together.. hmm.. I felt bad then too.  I thought maybe we could make it work.  I thought that maybe since I had flaws too that I shouldn't be so hard on him for the things he chose to do to me.  Wow.  How embarrassing that my four year relationship is exactly indicative of this marriage.  I'm an assshole, really.

    I don't know how the f I let myself get here.  I don't know what the helll I was thinking when I decided that marrying him was going to be okay.  What is my underlying issue?  What is wrong with me that I would let this happen? 

  • imagedoglove:

    I'd like to tell you a story.

    I was engaged once to a man who was nice, a giant mama's boy, but he was nice. We had the entire wedding planned, all the deposits made and everything ready to go and I decided I could not marry him because I was not happy.

    I called my mother and said, "Mom, I do not think I want to get married. I am very unhappy."

    My mother said to me, "Well doglove, FI is a very nice person and I think you need to keep working at this relationship until you feel happy, you are lucky to find a caring person."

    Me: "Mom, I can only do so much work to "fix" things when he does nothing."

    Mom: "Well, I think you just need to keep at it."

    And I had two similar conversations with my sisters. I was very discouraged and thought something was WRONG WITH ME. I knew nothing would change and that he would not change and I could not go through with the wedding/marriage. Luckily, I had my father's support. He had been through a divorce before he married my mother and when I expressed how I felt, he told me that leaving now was the best option because it would only be harder later.

    It is very very difficult when your family disregards and discounts your feelings. It does not make them right. You need to seek out support in people you know you can trust. Friends, a therapist, a support group, whatever works best for you. Please trust your gut as well. You are the only one who completely understands your situation and knows yourself best.

    I could have written that story, except that I have one brother.  No lie I just found myself saying YES to your story.  I didn't have my dad say that to me though.  My dad is more reserved and even though he told me to do whatever I thought was right, I let others dictate to me what was right so I was convinced that it's what I wanted.  Convinced enough to convince my dad.  Sucks.

  • imageMsSara0:

    I broke up with him every time. I know, I know.  This just adds more to the "I'm an assshole" list.  We always got back together.. hmm.. I felt bad then too.  I thought maybe we could make it work.  I thought that maybe since I had flaws too that I shouldn't be so hard on him for the things he chose to do to me.  Wow.  How embarrassing that my four year relationship is exactly indicative of this marriage.  I'm an assshole, really.

    Um, no, it adds more to the "HE'S an _asshole" list.  You clearly did not want to be with him, and he just didn't care because he's selfish.  The fact that you think you're the _asshole in all of this is astounding.

  • imageEastCoastBride:
    imagedoglove:

    It is very very difficult when your family disregards and discounts your feelings. It does not make them right.

    This.  So many people like the status quo.  So - they are going to give you advice based on that.  You're married.  You should stay married.  And they will tell you whatever they need to tell you to make you believe this too.

    But it doesn't make it the right advice. 

    Very true.  I can absolutely see this.

  • imageFMIL&MOB:
    Your Mom is trying to use code to you, because you would be pissed if she said MsSaraO your man is a jackhole and please don't marry him. You are hearing the bells and you don't want them to be wedding bells. How much happier are you now that you are not living with him? You are not marrying a man you cannot live with out.

    It scares me to admit that I feel so much better.  I do not come home and immediately feel stressed.  I feel like I can finally think straight.  I miss him when I'm lonely in general, but I am smart enough to realize that I'm just bored and lonely, not missing my husband.

  • imagerenegade gaucho:
    I really think you should call a therapist today.  There's no reason not to.

    You're right.  I have to just do it. This isn't going to get any easier on me and in order for me to have a successful relationship at some point in my life I need to figure out what the helll allowed me to even get here.  I hate admitting that I need help.

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