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For All you PSU Alum and "friends" of Penn State...

looks like JoePa doesn't have very long, only a couple more hours I'm hearing.  I'm not discounting what he did or did not do during the scandal, but he was very good the university and made generally, a very positive influence.  Sad that it had to end this way for him...
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  • imageDebsPSUbride:
    he was very good the university and made generally, a very positive influence. ..

    um ok 

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  • Sad to see. It's very sad that people will not remember him for all the good he did.
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    imageDebsPSUbride:
    he was very good the university and made generally, a very positive influence. ..

    um ok 

    i'm sure those boys feel the same way.

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  • I am sorry, but he had a chance to do so much more for those boys that were raped and abused, that he deserves that all his supposeded good is going to be forgotten. I don't wish anyone dead, but come on it is a little fitting-
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    Yeah I don't feel so sad. What good he did in sports doesn't really trump turning a blind eye & conscience to blatant sexual abuse for me.

    I don't get the love. He was supposed to be good at his job. That's what he got paid for. Great. So he won a lot of games.

  • Well, it's good to see I'm not alone.

    I just said to J, out loud for anyone to hear, "I hope when he gets tohell the devil *** him in theass." I've got nothing for people who allow child molesters to walk around like everyone else. I don't care how many football games you win.


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  • Sad it ended what way? He is elderly and sick..its the natural order of things. Having to be fired instead if being able to retire with honor and respect? Brought it on himself. He, as well as others, did serious, serious harm to PSU. More harm than good I would say. Everything good he did for that university...he wiped out with his cowardly decisions. 

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  • He is an elderly, sick dying man, so for that, I feel for him and his family.  Honestly, I'm not well infomred of all the "good" he did for the university, but I do know he was aware that a member of his staff/team was sexually assulting children and he did the bare minimum that the law required him to do.  In my opinion he did not do enough.  Ask yourself, if he was your brother or husband or father, would you be ok with the fact that he knew these boys were being abused and didn't do anything more to stop it?  That would sicken me to death and forever chage my impression of a person.  Just like 2 wrongs don't make a right, 2 rights don't erase a wrong as big as his. 
  • imageDebsPSUbride:
    but he was very good the university and made generally, a very positive influence.  Sad that it had to end this way for him...

    Good to the University how.... by covering up sexual abuse? Come on...  yea he won games - at what cost? 

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    imageDebsPSUbride:
    but he was very good the university and made generally, a very positive influence.  Sad that it had to end this way for him...

    Good to the University how.... by covering up sexual abuse? Come on...  yea he won games - at what cost? 

    well he did make them an asston of money.  Confused

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  • Most of you have no idea what you are talking about.  Joe donated millions of dollars to the university, and there is a great library that was built with his donations.  I'm not talking about football at all.  And yes, what he did or didn't do, was horrible.  But, he did do some good things as well, and that is how I choose to remember him.  Say what you will, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

  • I know he donated a shitton of money and brought a lot of money into the school.... but honestly I think that's just a 'little' overshadowed by the fact that he knew what was going on for so many years and never did anything about it.  I'm sorry but I can't see him as a respectable, wonderful man who "gave" so much to the university given what I know now about the whole Sandusky situation.
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  • Yes, he did great things for PSU, but it's totally negated by what he did. 
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  • imageDebsPSUbride:

    Most of you have no idea what you are talking about.  Joe donated millions of dollars to the university, and there is a great library that was built with his donations.  I'm not talking about football at all.  And yes, what he did or didn't do, was horrible.  But, he did do some good things as well, and that is how I choose to remember him.  Say what you will, everyone is entitled to their opinions.

    rich people who donate money are not above judgement when they ruin the lives of children.   and FTR, that was a quote from my DH who is a PSU alum.

    and i'm LMAO at the fact that no one on here who didn't do to PSU could know what we're talking about.

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  • Just expressing my own opinion here, but it boggles my mind how money, libraires, and sports becomes more important in one's legacy than protecting children from child abuse.  I myself did not attend PSU; I do have several close family members who are alum from the past 10 years and I have objectivly dissucussed all of this with them only for the reason of trying to understand... but I still don't.  Child abuse is wrong, no?  Protecting or excusing child abusers is wrong, no?
  • I am sorry he is sick and I hope he is not in pain and that is all that I feel for him as a human being....that being said I am ok with the fact that all of the good and generous things that he did are being overlooked by all of the horrible, sickening things that he let happen.  He doesn't deserved to be put in the spot light,  he deserved to be looked down upon and remembered for the awful things. 
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  • A man has died and I'm sorry for those left behind. However, I agree with everyone else. His wonderful and heroic and amazing deeds are meaningless now. It's his own fault that he will be remembered as a monster. 
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  • Wow, so a library and some winning football seasons negates turning a blind eye to child molestation?

    SO if Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson built, say, an orphanage that would make you sad when they die? Hmm


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    Wow, so a library and some winning football seasons negates turning a blind eye to child molestation?

    SO if Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson built, say, an orphanage that would make you sad when they die? Hmm

    only if they did it at Penn state.  duh.

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  • Just wait until the pictures of the candlelight vigils/memorials we'll see come out..... for the "hero".  THAT'S when I'll really lose my sh*t.

    I've already had to hide some people on Facebook because I can't take it anymore.

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  • While I do not defend him at all, and think what he did was definitely wrong, I think comparing him to Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manson or a monster is also wrong.  He is not the one who committed the crimes.  That man is a monster.  What Joe Paterno did was a HUGE error in judgement.
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  • the best part is apparently huffington post just recanted.  which means we get to have this conversation all over again tomorrow!  wheee!
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  • imagelaurenpetro:
    imageturtle520:

    Wow, so a library and some winning football seasons negates turning a blind eye to child molestation?

    SO if Jeffery Dahmer or Charles Manson built, say, an orphanage that would make you sad when they die? Hmm

    only if they did it at Penn state.  duh.

    And then helped to make the University a winning icon and a ton of money.....geez it's not JUST about the buildingStick out tongue 

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  • imagetpquinn72:
    While I do not defend him at all, and think what he did was definitely wrong, I think comparing him to Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manson or a monster is also wrong.  He is not the one who committed the crimes.  That man is a monster.  What Joe Paterno did was a HUGE error in judgement.

    If one of those boys was your child, would you think it was just an error in judgement? Would you honestly believe that he wasn't just as wrong as the perpetrator? Could you possibly forgive him? Could you ever believe he wasn't sub-human? 

    We all flip out on this board when someone leaves their kid in the car in a target parking lot but this sickfuck turned his back on CHILD MOLESTATION. I don't care who you are, what you've built or where you donated your money. If you know that someone is hurting children you stop it. You do whatever you have to to stop it. You don't just keep coaching football.  


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    imagetpquinn72:
    While I do not defend him at all, and think what he did was definitely wrong, I think comparing him to Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manson or a monster is also wrong.  He is not the one who committed the crimes.  That man is a monster.  What Joe Paterno did was a HUGE error in judgement.

    A huge error in judgement is making an illegal u-turn in front of a cop. If it was my kid I'd have a huge problem calling it a huge error in judgement. If it was your kid, is that all you'd be ok with it called?

  • imageceetee:

    Sad it ended what way? He is elderly and sick..its the natural order of things. Having to be fired instead if being able to retire with honor and respect? Brought it on himself. He, as well as others, did serious, serious harm to PSU. More harm than good I would say. Everything good he did for that university...he wiped out with his cowardly decisions. 

    I completely agree. 

  • imagetpquinn72:
    While I do not defend him at all, and think what he did was definitely wrong, I think comparing him to Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manson or a monster is also wrong.  He is not the one who committed the crimes.  That man is a monster.  What Joe Paterno did was a HUGE error in judgement.

     I agree.  JoePa did not commit the crimes.  He reported them.  And quite frankly, he reported hearsay.  He didn't see anything.  Yes, I completely believe he should have done more. But it was the whole system that failed, not just one person.  The one guy showed up at his door one night and said Sandusky was molesting boys in the locker room - why didn't that guy do something right then!!!????  He was a big football player and he walked away and went to go tell JoePa?  Again, yes, JoePa should have done more.  But so should a lot of other people.  But we don't really know those people well (we don't even know who a lot of them are) so JoePa is taking all the blame.  The man loved Penn State and he loved his players.  He had one of the highest graduation rates of any football program.  In his last interview, he was so remorseful about the whole situation.  I know that doesn't make up for it but  I don't believe he deserves to be compared to completely evil people like Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Mason.  But then again, I'll leave  judgement up to God. 

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    imagetpquinn72:
    While I do not defend him at all, and think what he did was definitely wrong, I think comparing him to Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manson or a monster is also wrong.  He is not the one who committed the crimes.  That man is a monster.  What Joe Paterno did was a HUGE error in judgement.

     I agree.  JoePa did not commit the crimes.  He reported them.  And quite frankly, he reported hearsay.  He didn't see anything.  Yes, I completely believe he should have done more. But it was the whole system that failed, not just one person.  The one guy showed up at his door one night and said Sandusky was molesting boys in the locker room - why didn't that guy do something right then!!!????  He was a big football player and he walked away and went to go tell JoePa?  Again, yes, JoePa should have done more.  But so should a lot of other people.  But we don't really know those people well (we don't even know who a lot of them are) so JoePa is taking all the blame.  The man loved Penn State and he loved his players.  He had one of the highest graduation rates of any football program.  In his last interview, he was so remorseful about the whole situation.  I know that doesn't make up for it but  I don't believe he deserves to be compared to completely evil people like Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Mason.  But then again, I'll leave  judgement up to God. 

    Thank you!!!
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    imagerbytsdy:

    imagetpquinn72:
    While I do not defend him at all, and think what he did was definitely wrong, I think comparing him to Jeffery Dahmer and Charles Manson or a monster is also wrong.  He is not the one who committed the crimes.  That man is a monster.  What Joe Paterno did was a HUGE error in judgement.

     I agree.  JoePa did not commit the crimes.  He reported them.  And quite frankly, he reported hearsay.  He didn't see anything.  Yes, I completely believe he should have done more. But it was the whole system that failed, not just one person.  The one guy showed up at his door one night and said Sandusky was molesting boys in the locker room - why didn't that guy do something right then!!!????  He was a big football player and he walked away and went to go tell JoePa?  Again, yes, JoePa should have done more.  But so should a lot of other people.  But we don't really know those people well (we don't even know who a lot of them are) so JoePa is taking all the blame.  The man loved Penn State and he loved his players.  He had one of the highest graduation rates of any football program.  In his last interview, he was so remorseful about the whole situation.  I know that doesn't make up for it but  I don't believe he deserves to be compared to completely evil people like Jeffrey Dahmer or Charles Mason.  But then again, I'll leave  judgement up to God. 

    Again, let it be your kid and see how you feel then.

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