s/o to Pinterest and TN repinning our BUs (esp. if you're on Twitter)

lneuner09

I'm been kind of MIA lately due to my new job, but this is absolutely insane.  This is just as bad as bloggers stealing content from others - they aren't crediting the proper source, letting TN take credit for our recipes without linking to our blogs.  Crediting my Nest username is certainly not appropriate on several levels - it's a violation of my privacy to publish my username, and TN is still not the original source, which is what they are linking to on Pinterest. 

I want to change my username now more than ever.  Ridiculous.

alithebride

after seeing all of this i'm glad i dont have a blog! usually i'm sad about it because i love looking through everyones adn i just dont have the time for it-but not seeing this. this time i'm actually glad. that's disappointing.

the way i think of it is this-if you put it out there it's ALWAYS going to be out there. if you post it on someone else's site they can do whatever they want with it.

to me it's just WAY too close to home havin everything linked. i love you girls but you have no need to know my last name or where i live or anyting like that. freaks me out how connected things are....

hope you find a good resolution for this. i'm sad it's going down this way......

EvilLittleThing

Can't you just delete the posts (on here) they've pinned?

Pecswife

bmk112302:

It seems to me TN turns a blind eye to the functionality its users want as well as a true understanding of how their users use the boards. Its seems you have all the information right in front of you by reading the posts on this board, yet what is developed seems so far off the beaten path. 

I for one also do not want my nest name associated with my Facebook account, Pinterest account or any other form of media like that. If that is where the nest wants to go then I would no longer use these boards either.

I understand why TN wants to post the blog links to Pinterest but that doesn't make it o.k. to do so. None of that content was generated on TN and to advertise it as such is to not only slight the person who created the content but to falsely advertise your site. I hope you will rethink this policy.

Also, am I the only one who wonders how carefully someone is really going to follow this list of people not to be pinned. I think all of you who have blogs such certainly request not to be pinned as it clearly does a disservice to bloggers. 

Well said...  

NaturalBlond

So you want to be able to use the nest to promote your blog but you don't want the nest to use the content you post on the nest to promote the nest? Wha?

philandclaire

Dear Nest: responddamnit!

BlueGeneBaby

NaturalBlond:

So you want to be able to use the nest to promote your blog but you don't want the nest to use the content you post on the nest to promote the nest? Wha?

These are not equivalent.  We post links and photos to our own original content, sometimes to spark discussion, sometimes to answer questions and sometimes to drive traffic.  Regardless of motive, it's our own content.

The Nest is using our content to drive traffic to their site.  Their TOU allow them to use content we provide on their own site, newsletters, etc, but not on outside sites.  What they are doing violates Pinterest's TOU.

Honestly, I think it will end up being a non-issue.  Those who don't mind will continue to post photos and those who do will post links or stop posting.  I think that The Nest represents a small fraction of traffic for most of our bloggers--the blog update threads won't be as mouthwatering but that's more The Nest's loss than ours.

NaturalBlond

BlueGeneBaby:

NaturalBlond:

So you want to be able to use the nest to promote your blog but you don't want the nest to use the content you post on the nest to promote the nest? Wha?

 

The Nest is using our content to drive traffic to their site.  Their TOU allow them to use content we provide on their own site, newsletters, etc, but not on outside sites.  What they are doing violates Pinterest's TOU.

This doesn't make sense. The Nest gets to make up their own TOUs. You have to agree to them if you want to use the site. They could make up any term they see fit, including allowing themselves to cross promote The Nest on third party sites. Frankly, I find it odd that The Nest would make a term that limited itself in such a manner (i.e. "We, The Nest can use your content on any Nest owned sites and publications but CANNOT use it on any other sites, e.g. Pinterest.").

Whether or not the nest is violating Pinterest's TOUs is another matter entirely.

Jigginjessica

swimbikepuke:

This is a pretty good article about how what The Nest is doing (and probably what a lot of us are doing, too) is not just poor form, but also illegal.

 http://ddkportraits.com/2012/02/why-i-tearfully-deleted-my-pinterest-inspiration-boards/

Depending on how thenest gets the actual content, they really, REALLY shouldn't be doing this.

 

I was just getting ready to find this link and post it! It's up to the pinner to properly pin directly to the original content.

LoveLossHopeRepeat

NaturalBlond:

BlueGeneBaby:

NaturalBlond:

So you want to be able to use the nest to promote your blog but you don't want the nest to use the content you post on the nest to promote the nest? Wha?

 

The Nest is using our content to drive traffic to their site.  Their TOU allow them to use content we provide on their own site, newsletters, etc, but not on outside sites.  What they are doing violates Pinterest's TOU.

This doesn't make sense. The Nest gets to make up their own TOUs. You have to agree to them if you want to use the site. They could make up any term they see fit, including allowing themselves to cross promote The Nest on third party sites. Frankly, I find it odd that The Nest would make a term that limited itself in such a manner (i.e. "We, The Nest can use your content on any Nest owned sites and publications but CANNOT use it on any other sites, e.g. Pinterest.").

Whether or not the nest is violating Pinterest's TOUs is another matter entirely.

Yes, TN has created their own TOU, but the way it's currently written (quoted earlier in the thread), they claim the right to use your posts/content within their own sites, newsletters, etc. The wording does not expand to include exterior sites such as Pinterest.

Whether or not they change the verbiage to extend to other social media remains to be seen.

I am not a lawyer and have no idea if the verbiage is binding in any way. I'm simply pointing out where I believe BGB's point was coming from: the way the current TOE reads it doesn't not appear (to myself, at least, and I am not at all an expert or a lawyer) that they have the right to pull content from TheNest to use on external social media sites.

alithebride

I think the boards on pinterest are gone. All that shows under a search for the nest is a lot of home decorating. 

NaturalBlond

LoveLossHopeRepeat:

NaturalBlond:

BlueGeneBaby:

NaturalBlond:

So you want to be able to use the nest to promote your blog but you don't want the nest to use the content you post on the nest to promote the nest? Wha?

 

The Nest is using our content to drive traffic to their site.  Their TOU allow them to use content we provide on their own site, newsletters, etc, but not on outside sites.  What they are doing violates Pinterest's TOU.

This doesn't make sense. The Nest gets to make up their own TOUs. You have to agree to them if you want to use the site. They could make up any term they see fit, including allowing themselves to cross promote The Nest on third party sites. Frankly, I find it odd that The Nest would make a term that limited itself in such a manner (i.e. "We, The Nest can use your content on any Nest owned sites and publications but CANNOT use it on any other sites, e.g. Pinterest.").

Whether or not the nest is violating Pinterest's TOUs is another matter entirely.

Yes, TN has created their own TOU, but the way it's currently written (quoted earlier in the thread), they claim the right to use your posts/content within their own sites, newsletters, etc. The wording does not expand to include exterior sites such as Pinterest.

Whether or not they change the verbiage to extend to other social media remains to be seen.

I am not a lawyer and have no idea if the verbiage is binding in any way. I'm simply pointing out where I believe BGB's point was coming from: the way the current TOE reads it doesn't not appear (to myself, at least, and I am not at all an expert or a lawyer) that they have the right to pull content from TheNest to use on external social media sites.

Here's the first line of the TOU (bolding is mine):

"The Nest reserves the right to republish any material contributed by our readers. By posting a message, a subscriber expressly grants the right to The Nest to republish or sell the message as part of any edited compilation such as The Daily Poop or Nest Baby News."

And further down:

"The Nest will have a nonexclusive global license to publish the content submitted by users and contributors within The Nest. The Nest will also have global nonexclusive adaptation and resale rights over any content and material submitted by users and contributors within The Nest's World Wide Web sites. These nonexclusive publishing license and resale/adaptation rights extend to any materials submitted "for publication" within The Nest, including both message board postings and content submitted to The Nest for uploading and subsequent publishing within non-message board Areas."

I don't see where they have prohibited themselves from publishing content on third party sites. Where are you reading this?

LoveLossHopeRepeat

NaturalBlond:

 

Here's the first line of the TOU (bolding is mine):

"The Nest reserves the right to republish any material contributed by our readers. By posting a message, a subscriber expressly grants the right to The Nest to republish or sell the message as part of any edited compilation such as The Daily Poop or Nest Baby News."

And further down:

"The Nest will have a nonexclusive global license to publish the content submitted by users and contributors within The Nest. The Nest will also have global nonexclusive adaptation and resale rights over any content and material submitted by users and contributors within The Nest's World Wide Web sites. These nonexclusive publishing license and resale/adaptation rights extend to any materials submitted "for publication" within The Nest, including both message board postings and content submitted to The Nest for uploading and subsequent publishing within non-message board Areas."

I don't see where they have prohibited themselves from publishing content on third party sites. Where are you reading this?

I'm reading into the second line, immediately after the first one you've bolded. 

By posting a message, a subscriber expressly grants the right to The Nest to republish or sell the message as part of any edited compilation such as The Daily Poop or Nest Baby News.

Pinterest is not a site to whom they are selling the message, it is not an edited compilation, and my understanding of Pinterest's TOU is that "republishing" is not allowed - their TOU states that the pin must link back to the original content. It seems arguable to me that TN is pinning content to a middle location - the threads on their boards - rather than the original location of the content.

Again, I could be wrong. I could be reading it inaccurately, especially in the legal sense. This is just how I'm reading all of it.

RedheadBaker

alithebride:

I think the boards on pinterest are gone. All that shows under a search for the nest is a lot of home decorating. 

Are yous searching pins or people? I still see all the same stuff on their boards:

http://pinterest.com/thenest/ 

NaturalBlond

LoveLossHopeRepeat:

NaturalBlond:

 

Here's the first line of the TOU (bolding is mine):

"The Nest reserves the right to republish any material contributed by our readers. By posting a message, a subscriber expressly grants the right to The Nest to republish or sell the message as part of any edited compilation such as The Daily Poop or Nest Baby News."

And further down:

"The Nest will have a nonexclusive global license to publish the content submitted by users and contributors within The Nest. The Nest will also have global nonexclusive adaptation and resale rights over any content and material submitted by users and contributors within The Nest's World Wide Web sites. These nonexclusive publishing license and resale/adaptation rights extend to any materials submitted "for publication" within The Nest, including both message board postings and content submitted to The Nest for uploading and subsequent publishing within non-message board Areas."

I don't see where they have prohibited themselves from publishing content on third party sites. Where are you reading this?

I'm reading into the second line, immediately after the first one you've bolded. 

By posting a message, a subscriber expressly grants the right to The Nest to republish or sell the message as part of any edited compilation such as The Daily Poop or Nest Baby News.

Pinterest is not a site to whom they are selling the message, it is not an edited compilation, and my understanding of Pinterest's TOU is that "republishing" is not allowed - their TOU states that the pin must link back to the original content. It seems arguable to me that TN is pinning content to a middle location - the threads on their boards - rather than the original location of the content.

Again, I could be wrong. I could be reading it inaccurately, especially in the legal sense. This is just how I'm reading all of it.

You are asuming the Nest page on Pinterest can't be considered an "edited compilation." Why? But even if it can't, there is more to the TOU than that one line.

"The Nest reserves the right to republish any material contributed by our readers."

and

"The Nest will have a nonexclusive global license to publish the content submitted by users and contributors within The Nest."

and

"These nonexclusive publishing license and resale/adaptation rights extend to any materials submitted "for publication" within The Nest, including both message board postings ...."

ETA: And whether or not The Nest is violating Pinterest's TOUs is not the same as whether or not The Nest is violating their own TOUs.

ETA 2: This is not legal advice and shouldn't be relied upon as such. Just an FYI.

LoveLossHopeRepeat

NB - you're right, their TOU covers them. I agree with your points (sorry, didn't want to quote again, and since the thread's relatively quiet now, it didn't seem entirely necessary).

alithebride

RedheadBaker:

alithebride:

I think the boards on pinterest are gone. All that shows under a search for the nest is a lot of home decorating. 

Are yous searching pins or people? I still see all the same stuff on their boards:

http://pinterest.com/thenest/ 

!!! I was searching boards. I never search them-maybe I did it wrong..... I guess I did  sorry!

*BlackSheep*

Bump Kathleen:

Hi everyone,

Thanks for your feedback.

Regarding sharing photos that link directly to your blogs, we're unable to do that for a few reasons. We pin using the "Pin It" button on our page, which automatically links to the page the photo was from. Also, the point of us sharing photos on our Pinterest page is that they come from our site, which in this case is the community. We always credit the username that posted the photo. We greatly value our users' privacy and would never share content that is sensitive. However, since our message boards are public, we often promote them in general, whether that be on our social media or elsewhere on the site - this is what helps them grow. 

Regarding the "share it" to Twitter/Facebook feature on the new message boards, we are already in the process of removing these and should be completed by the end of this week. 

If you would prefer your photos not be shared, please email feedback@thenest.com with your username and we will make a note that your photos not be pinned in the future. 

Thanks everyone

Dear Bump Kathleen,

Well I guess this will be one of the many things that will kill the nest/bump.

Good Job

*Blacksheep*

PS, how about you guys (IT) spend the time fixing the issue with screennames that have symbols in them, I cant do crap with my account & can't view my "my posts".

K, Thanks

 

NLfoodie

I just e-mailed pinterest with a complaint about the Nest, explaining that they just use pinterest to generate traffic to their own site, which is clearly against pin-etiquette, just as well as not linking to original content and attributing pictures to the wrong people (sorry, but my pictures are not copyright NLfoodie, but copyright my own name which I will never post on the Nest.)

If more people e-mail pinterest, the Nest might get the boot from there, which would be a good thing.

So far I haven't found any of my own pictures yet, but I've only just now opened their pinterest boards (and I haven't been active on WC for many months), but I take copyright and privacy pretty damn seriously, so I figured I'd put my 2 cents in

Please, don't discuss this with Kathleen, she apparently has no clue about copyright and netiquette, just contact pinterest directly at hi@pinterest.com