Obesity rate may be worse than we think

dontcallmeshirley

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

pedantic_wench:

All right, I know all of this, but this has nothing to do with my question, which stemmed from Hawkweye's comments that companies should no long make plus size clothing because it reinforces the idea that being fat is okay.

But you're right, I shouldn't engage.

I never said that plus size clothing should be taken out of production completely!

I simply think that the more we make it mainstream and widely available in every store and trendy, the more we are putting our stamp of approval on being obese.

I also have more of an issue with the huge expansion of the junior's plus size market than I do the adult's.

Just say it.

Fatties have no business trying to be attractive.  Burlap for all! 

Somebody needs to post the Homer Simpson in a muumuu image, stat. 

AmeliaPond

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

pedantic_wench:

All right, I know all of this, but this has nothing to do with my question, which stemmed from Hawkweye's comments that companies should no long make plus size clothing because it reinforces the idea that being fat is okay.

But you're right, I shouldn't engage.

I never said that plus size clothing should be taken out of production completely!

I simply think that the more we make it mainstream and widely available in every store and trendy, the more we are putting our stamp of approval on being obese.

I also have more of an issue with the huge expansion of the junior's plus size market than I do the adult's.

Just say it.

Fatties have no business trying to be attractive.  Burlap for all! 

No way, Burlap is too flattering. Once we vote on a cut off size for normal clothing we can start selling Homer Simpson muumuus for any one over the line. 

ETA: I was posting this before I saw your post! lol.

SMorriso

LaPiscine:

SMorriso:

I'm just going to say again how I don't think it is a matter of expense in making or designing the clothing. Unless it is a cashmere cape for a size 24 woman, there isn't really going to be that much more fabric for a size 16 or 18 in comparison to their 12 or 14. If you're comparing a 0 to a 24, yeah. But the median range? not as much.

Also from personal experience, when I do have to order a size 16, it's online.  I often have to pay full price, even when the store is having a sale on the exact same item for like a dramatic amount. JCrew had this dress that was originally $178. I managed to fit into the 12 in-store. It was a bit shorter than I'd like, so of course I went online to see if the price was the same. It was still full price. I bought the dress for $40 in the store, and wouldn't think of buying the full priced one.

So even for the extra inch or so of fabric the fact that the customer has to pay shipping and often more than the store price is freaking annoying. I asked my dad who is a lawyer if there could be anything legally done about it. I was disappointed when he said no.

I do think you're spot on about the people advertising the company in a way they don't want. I also think that when you get to larger sizing, it does become more difficult for one piece to be translated the same on a smaller body vs. bigger. It can almost make the piece alter too far from the original style concept. If that makes sense.

The only foray into clothing making I have suggested that it the profit margin on "specialty clothes" can be pretty low.  Semi-tangent, but when I was pregnant, I was pretty irritated that the only competitive maternity bathing suits were in black and blue and were hideous.  I also wish they made competitive swimsuits with the nursing clips on the straps.  Those are not on the market at all.  So I "designed" a couple suits and then contacted a friend of a friend who owns a specialty high end tennis store to ask her about creating a line of fun-patterned competitive suits.  She said, don't do it, you'll never make any money.  Why?  Because you will need to sell 1000 of each suit in order to cover the cost of manufacturing them.  And that's for each pattern and each size.  Honestly, I hadn't even thought of the size aspect.  I was just thinking size = maternity.  But duh, of course, it would be maternity size 26, maternity size 28 etc...  

So, I think for companies like BR, ON, Gap, they can have higher sizes because they're selling more items overall.  But a company like Theory, it's going to be hard for them to justify making a size 18 because they're only selling 4 size 6's per store as it is...  If that makes sense.

But even with all of that, the bigger issue is that we advertise the clothes we wear and trust that BCBG does not want fat people "advertising" their clothes.

 

 

Gotcha. I was thinking that you, and perhaps another poster before as well were referring to actual materials cost vs. profit margin. 

Profit margin is lower. It bugs the crap out of me because despite my weight/size, I have a fairly easy body to dress in terms of structure and translation. A pencil skirt on me, will look like a pencil skirt on a size 6. A blouse on me will look the same, and so forth. I hate having to order online for special sizing in bottoms. I always pay more and have to cough up shipping too. It's annoying. 

I do think my market sizing is expanding, and it isn't necessarily a bad thing. Like I mentioned before with the inbetweenies. The average woman is a 14. It'd be nice to have that more in the middle range vs. top range.

LaPiscine

pedantic_wench:

LaPiscine:

First of all obesity IS related to penis size because abdominal fat will surround the base of the penis and you get a "turtle effect," for lack of a better word.  The actual figure I've heard quoted is that for every 35 pounds a man is overweight, he loses 1/2 inch of erect penis length.  But to your general point, that is not supposed to be an "authoritative" website.  All it is supposed to be is an example of the "obesity acceptance" discussion in this country.  It exists, it's not distinct from "fat acceptance", and it's not a good idea.

It's doesn't change the actual length of the penis, though.

And how is this not a good idea, from the NAAFA website:

Our Vision

A society in which people of every size are accepted with dignity and equality in all aspects of life.

Our Mission

To eliminate discrimination based on body size and provide fat people with the tools for self-empowerment though public education, advocacy, and support.

Our Promise

NAAFA will be a powerful force for positive social change. Using our collec?tive will, talents and resources, we will improve the world ? not just for fat people, but for everyone.

You're right, it doesn't change the actual length.  Just as being obese doesn't change the actual size of your hips.  It just pads part of your hips which makes the measurement of it come out to a higher number.  The amount of penis available for use will be less.  Is that sufficiently specific for you?

As for the NAAFA, they want to make obesity a protected class under the Civil Rights Act, which is absurd.  And I think their bolded statements at the bottom of the page is at the heart of the problem with obesity in this country:

 We Come in All Sizes?

Understand it. 
Support it.
Accept it.

 I am totally on board with working to understand it.  But supporting and accepting it?  No.  Understand it, so we can cure it.  That should be the mission.   

 

hawkeye+

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

pedantic_wench:

All right, I know all of this, but this has nothing to do with my question, which stemmed from Hawkweye's comments that companies should no long make plus size clothing because it reinforces the idea that being fat is okay.

But you're right, I shouldn't engage.

I never said that plus size clothing should be taken out of production completely!

I simply think that the more we make it mainstream and widely available in every store and trendy, the more we are putting our stamp of approval on being obese.

I also have more of an issue with the huge expansion of the junior's plus size market than I do the adult's.

Just say it.

Fatties have no business trying to be attractive.  Burlap for all! 

ETA: The bold is just mean. Straight up.  If my daughter was obese it's nice to know you are there to police her into a size 2 

I'm sorry you think it's mean. I mean that.

I just don't understand why, over the last 50 years in this society we've become the society we are today. It's just no ok for me to think that if my daughter goes to high school as a size 22 or whatever, that I'll just shrug my shoulders and tell her oh well! At least you can still get your jeggings at Torrid.

But you guys are right, maybe taking the stores / availability away isn't the answer the more I think about it. What is the answer then? I'm seriously asking.  I just will never get on board with this mentality of people are getting fatter and fatter so we should just change everything to accomodate that even though it's happening to the detriment of our whole society.

 

tartaruga

If feeling like sh!t about yourself for being fat made you skinny, I would be a size 2.

this is the stupidest thing I have seen on this entire site since Irish twins.

sprky79

Hawkeye, please make me understand why you think this was even an approach?  Why should that teenager whose hormones are dragging her body all over the place have to sit there, desperately hoping, "Maybe if I get skinny enough I can wear real clothes!"

AND, for that matter, at what size do you suggest stopping making nice clothes and putting people in burlap sacks?  At what size are you "too fat for nice clothes?"

mr+ms

kcpokergal:

I thought there was research recently that showed in general people in the "overweight" category are often not prone to any increased health risks than those at the healthy weight.

I remember something along these lines as well. One of the explanations was that extra fat is a protective mechanism against overfeeding. So if a body can efficiently move caloric excess into storage, the excess isn't doing damage elsewhere (like elevated blood glucose and lipids floating around I guess?). 

It's important to take into consideration where fat is being stored as well. If it's subcutaneous junk in the trunk, that's supposedly more innocuous than abdominal fat.

hindsight's_a_biotch

Stores like Torrid, Lane Bryant and the one that I always think says Ashley Madison but doesn't are doing just fine. And my favorite store recently fully expanded its plus sizes section and is doing very well too.

I don't think it's an apt comparison to maternity competitive swimwear as that is a very small market share.

Also, dude, I can go get a sewing pattern right now. There's one in fingertip length and the amount of additional fabric needed from the smallest to the largest size is not nearly as much as it seems. Nor is it that difficult to alter the patterns. Have any of you commenting actually seen or worked with a clothing pattern before?

Yes, full bust adjustments can be necessary for a better fit but people aren't getting a good fit in commercialized clothing anyway. And most full figured women aren't disproportionately larger in the chest either. So it's misleading to say that making bigger clothing would require loads more fabric or such hard work in pattern manipulation.

brideymcbriderson

FWIW, if you could shame people out of being fat, I'd be skinny fer sure. But go on, keep telling fatties they shouldn't have clothes made for them! It will DEFINITELY cure the obesity epidemic!

MommaG123

I don't know that I necessarily buy into the whole more fabric= more expensive spiel.  If that is the case why do I see clothes for my 9 month old at the same price as clothes for myself.

Also, whether you are underweight, normal weight, overweight, or obese everyone has a different body type.  Nothing is going to fit the same/flatteringly on everyone.  Obviously everyone needs their own personal tailor.

As far as the whole personal responsibility vs societal problem why is there a debate?  Obviously it's a combination of the two.  Yes you need to be able to take control of your own eating and exercising but to say there is no societal component is absurd IMO.

copzgirl

hawkeye+:

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

pedantic_wench:

All right, I know all of this, but this has nothing to do with my question, which stemmed from Hawkweye's comments that companies should no long make plus size clothing because it reinforces the idea that being fat is okay.

But you're right, I shouldn't engage.

I never said that plus size clothing should be taken out of production completely!

I simply think that the more we make it mainstream and widely available in every store and trendy, the more we are putting our stamp of approval on being obese.

I also have more of an issue with the huge expansion of the junior's plus size market than I do the adult's.

Just say it.

Fatties have no business trying to be attractive.  Burlap for all! 

ETA: The bold is just mean. Straight up.  If my daughter was obese it's nice to know you are there to police her into a size 2 

I'm sorry you think it's mean. I mean that.

I just don't understand why, over the last 50 years in this society we've become the society we are today. It's just no ok for me to think that if my daughter goes to high school as a size 22 or whatever, that I'll just shrug my shoulders and tell her oh well! At least you can still get your jeggings at Torrid.

But you guys are right, maybe taking the stores / availability away isn't the answer the more I think about it. What is the answer then? I'm seriously asking.  I just will never get on board with this mentality of people are getting fatter and fatter so we should just change everything to accomodate that even though it's happening to the detriment of our whole society.

 

So no access to clothes for obese girls/women is the best solution you can come up with? 

LoveTrains

Well I have about 10 minutes before my fat ass gets some Ben & jerry's (free cone day and all) but it is just straight up mean and fat shaming (as others have already said) to insinuate that fatties should not be able to purchase clothes and that we should make plus sized clothes less available.

I already struggle to put together a professional wardrobe. So since I am fat I should not be able to find clothes? WTF? I live in a major metropolitan area and it is still hard to find clothes. Thank god for the internet, because I can order stuff and then return it when it doesn't fit. I often have to buy items in 2 or three different sizes because I don't know how certain things will fit.  

dontcallmeshirley

AmeliaPond:

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

pedantic_wench:

All right, I know all of this, but this has nothing to do with my question, which stemmed from Hawkweye's comments that companies should no long make plus size clothing because it reinforces the idea that being fat is okay.

But you're right, I shouldn't engage.

I never said that plus size clothing should be taken out of production completely!

I simply think that the more we make it mainstream and widely available in every store and trendy, the more we are putting our stamp of approval on being obese.

I also have more of an issue with the huge expansion of the junior's plus size market than I do the adult's.

Just say it.

Fatties have no business trying to be attractive.  Burlap for all! 

No way, Burlap is too flattering. Once we vote on a cut off size for normal clothing we can start selling Homer Simpson muumuus for any one over the line. 

ETA: I was posting this before I saw your post! lol.

This clearly means something.  

tartaruga

hawkeye+:

But you guys are right, maybe taking the stores / availability away isn't the answer the more I think about it. What is the answer then? I'm seriously asking.  I just will never get on board with this mentality of people are getting fatter and fatter so we should just change everything to accomodate that even though it's happening to the detriment of our whole society.

 

Here are some ideas: stop eliminating recess in schools in favor of more hours to study for standardiZed tests. Make our cities more walkable and pedestrian friendly so people aren't so dependent on their cars for everyday life. Change our work culture so people arent forced to sit at desks for 9 hours a day without ten whole minutes of activity in the whole day. Stop subsidizing crap foods. Put more restrictions on food advertising to children. Stop allowing vending machines in schools and stop having schools serve so much crap food. Improve our healthcare system so more people have access to regular primary care doctors who are keeping an eye on their general health on a periodic basis.

hindsight's_a_biotch

So what is your size 22 daughter to wear until she loses the weight I wonder?

And what does the availability of clothing have to do with losing weight? Do you really think people who shop at Torrid have just decided to be cool with being overweight?

ZOMG, I found jeans that fit me. Now kids won't make fun of me! Squee!!

 

dontcallmeshirley

hindsight's_a_biotch:

So what is your size 22 daughter to wear until she loses the weight I wonder?

And what does the availability of clothing have to do with losing weight? Do you really think people who shop at Torrid have just decided to be cool with being overweight?

ZOMG, I found jeans that fit me. Now kids won't make fun of me! Squee!!

 

Yes. Thank you.  

AmeliaPond

hindsight's_a_biotch:

Stores like Torrid, Lane Bryant and the one that I always think says Ashley Madison but doesn't are doing just fine. And my favorite store recently fully expanded its plus sizes section and is doing very well too.

I don't think it's an apt comparison to maternity competitive swimwear as that is a very small market share.

Also, dude, I can go get a sewing pattern right now. There's one in fingertip length and the amount of additional fabric needed from the smallest to the largest size is not nearly as much as it seems. Nor is it that difficult to alter the patterns. Have any of you commenting actually seen or worked with a clothing pattern before?

Yes, full bust adjustments can be necessary for a better fit but people aren't getting a good fit in commercialized clothing anyway. And most full figured women aren't disproportionately larger in the chest either. So it's misleading to say that making bigger clothing would require loads more fabric or such hard work in pattern manipulation.

Yes, I do sew. I didn't say what you were asking for was hard, I just said it was more work than the companies are doing now and therefore something they're unlikely to start doing unless they start losing money because of it.

hindsight's_a_biotch

Also, if your teenaged daughter wears a size 22 and you really think it's Torrid's fault, you're a fuuking lousy parent. YWIA!

hawkeye+

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

pedantic_wench:

All right, I know all of this, but this has nothing to do with my question, which stemmed from Hawkweye's comments that companies should no long make plus size clothing because it reinforces the idea that being fat is okay.

But you're right, I shouldn't engage.

I never said that plus size clothing should be taken out of production completely!

I simply think that the more we make it mainstream and widely available in every store and trendy, the more we are putting our stamp of approval on being obese.

I also have more of an issue with the huge expansion of the junior's plus size market than I do the adult's.

Just say it.

Fatties have no business trying to be attractive.  Burlap for all! 

ETA: The bold is just mean. Straight up.  If my daughter was obese it's nice to know you are there to police her into a size 2 

I'm sorry you think it's mean. I mean that.

I just don't understand why, over the last 50 years in this society we've become the society we are today. It's just no ok for me to think that if my daughter goes to high school as a size 22 or whatever, that I'll just shrug my shoulders and tell her oh well! At least you can still get your jeggings at Torrid.

But you guys are right, maybe taking the stores / availability away isn't the answer the more I think about it. What is the answer then? I'm seriously asking.  I just will never get on board with this mentality of people are getting fatter and fatter so we should just change everything to accomodate that even though it's happening to the detriment of our whole society.

 

So no access to clothes for obese girls/women is the best solution you can come up with? 

For the eleventy billionth time, where did I say "no access to clothes for obese people"? Sigh. I just think that the trend I see is more and more and more plus-size stores everywhere. I don't think that is a good thing- I think it just shows how complacent we are.

Fvvck it. Donuts for everyone.

Well I think I've solidified my reputation as resident fat shamer here at P&CE. lol. Ah well, I stand by my feelings that fat/obesity acceptance is a horrible thing, and very dangerous.

And just an FYI- I've been plenty overweight. It was the discomfort of not finding clothes that looked good on me that was the catalyst for change. It motivated me to want to feel good about myself. I can't imagine that feeling good and content with being obese would command much desire to change things.

tartaruga

And please. If you think that teenage girls don't care about being fat and are just as happy being size 20 as size 4, you are smoking something whack. Or you have never been or met a teenage girl.

copzgirl

tartaruga:

hawkeye+:

But you guys are right, maybe taking the stores / availability away isn't the answer the more I think about it. What is the answer then? I'm seriously asking.  I just will never get on board with this mentality of people are getting fatter and fatter so we should just change everything to accomodate that even though it's happening to the detriment of our whole society.

 

Here are some ideas: stop eliminating recess in schools in favor of more hours to study for standardiZed tests. Make our cities more walkable and pedestrian friendly so people aren't so dependent on their cars for everyday life. Change our work culture so people arent forced to sit at desks for 9 hours a day without ten whole minutes of activity in the whole day. Stop subsidizing crap foods. Put more restrictions on food advertising to children. Stop allowing vending machines in schools and stop having schools serve so much crap food. Improve our healthcare system so more people have access to regular primary care doctors who are keeping an eye on their general health on a periodic basis.

Embrace the burlap TTT and forget your silly make sense ideas.  No clothes for you! 

hindsight's_a_biotch

AmeliaPond:

Yes, I do sew. I didn't say what you were asking for was hard, I just said it was more work than the companies are doing now and therefore something they're unlikely to start doing unless they start losing money because of it.

It's different work.

I just don't see why we keep letting them get away with these flimsy ass excuses. They could very well do these things. But they'd rather keep basing fashion off the one body time so few women have. Most designers are completely out of touch with the realities of the human body even if we were dealing with a more normalized population.

tartaruga

copzgirl:

tartaruga:

hawkeye+:

But you guys are right, maybe taking the stores / availability away isn't the answer the more I think about it. What is the answer then? I'm seriously asking.  I just will never get on board with this mentality of people are getting fatter and fatter so we should just change everything to accomodate that even though it's happening to the detriment of our whole society.

 

Here are some ideas: stop eliminating recess in schools in favor of more hours to study for standardiZed tests. Make our cities more walkable and pedestrian friendly so people aren't so dependent on their cars for everyday life. Change our work culture so people arent forced to sit at desks for 9 hours a day without ten whole minutes of activity in the whole day. Stop subsidizing crap foods. Put more restrictions on food advertising to children. Stop allowing vending machines in schools and stop having schools serve so much crap food. Improve our healthcare system so more people have access to regular primary care doctors who are keeping an eye on their general health on a periodic basis.

Embrace the burlap TTT and forget your silly make sense ideas.  No clothes for you! 

This is clearly my problem - not enough burlap!

I just can't get over the fact that anyone thinks the problem we have in this country is that fat people aren't miserable enough and if we could just make them unhappier, they would be more successful losing weight.

sprky79

"For the eleventy billionth time, where did I say "no access to clothes for obese people"? Sigh. I just think that the trend I see is more and more and more plus-size stores everywhere. I don't think that is a good thing- I think it just shows how complacent we are.

Fvvck it. Donuts for everyone.

Well I think I've solidified my reputation as resident fat shamer here at P&CE. lol. Ah well, I stand by my feelings that fat/obesity acceptance is a horrible thing, and very dangerous.

And just an FYI- I've been plenty overweight. It was the discomfort of not finding clothes that looked good on me that was the catalyst for change. It motivated me to want to feel good about myself. I can't imagine that feeling good and content with being obese would command much desire to change things. "

Let me understand:  When you were heavy, you could not find clothes to fit.  Your solution to that is to make less clothing that fits heavy people because that is what will make them get skinny!

Do I have it right?

SMorriso

hawkeye+:

For the eleventy billionth time, where did I say "no access to clothes for obese people"? Sigh. I just think that the trend I see is more and more and more plus-size stores everywhere. I don't think that is a good thing- I think it just shows how complacent we are.

Fvvck it. Donuts for everyone.

Well I think I've solidified my reputation as resident fat shamer here at P&CE. lol. Ah well, I stand by my feelings that fat/obesity acceptance is a horrible thing, and very dangerous.

And just an FYI- I've been plenty overweight. It was the discomfort of not finding clothes that looked good on me that was the catalyst for change. It motivated me to want to feel good about myself. I can't imagine that feeling good and content with being obese would command much desire to change things.

I guess, I don't think that ugly (ETA:) or limited clothes are going to inspire the masses to lose weight. So bringing clothing stores as a form of encouragement for being overweight is senseless. It really is supply and demand, and it's not the store's fault. 

I guess, I'm just curious as to why you'd start with (or maybe you wouldn't start, but include) clothing stores as your target.  If people had all of the things in TTT's post, then there would be less of a demand for the stores, and they go away.

 

hindsight's_a_biotch

Oh ffs! Do you know how many people actually feel good and content with being obese? uhm yeah, it's not a large number.

If it was, you wouldn't see Weight Watchers paying a washed up hasbeen like Jessica Simpson cold hard cash millions for an endorsement deal. There is no way the diet and exercise industry would be raking in the dough if people were perfectly content to be overweight.

hawkeye+

sprky79:

"For the eleventy billionth time, where did I say "no access to clothes for obese people"? Sigh. I just think that the trend I see is more and more and more plus-size stores everywhere. I don't think that is a good thing- I think it just shows how complacent we are.

Fvvck it. Donuts for everyone.

Well I think I've solidified my reputation as resident fat shamer here at P&CE. lol. Ah well, I stand by my feelings that fat/obesity acceptance is a horrible thing, and very dangerous.

And just an FYI- I've been plenty overweight. It was the discomfort of not finding clothes that looked good on me that was the catalyst for change. It motivated me to want to feel good about myself. I can't imagine that feeling good and content with being obese would command much desire to change things. "

Let me understand:  When you were heavy, you could not find clothes to fit.  Your solution to that is to make less clothing that fits heavy people because that is what will make them get skinny!

Do I have it right?

No, you do not have it right.

 

JsuperJ

LaPiscine:

pedantic_wench:

I don't think "fat acceptance" means "bad health acceptance."

Fat does not automatically equate with bad health.

Yes, it could be indicative of bad eating habits or not enough exercise. But, being fat doesn't mean you're going to fall down dead at any minute.

Overweight does not automatically equate with bad health. Obesity, does.  It does not necessarily equate with high blood pressure or high cholesterol, but the absence of those two health conditions doesn't equate with good health.  Neither does the fact that you aren't at risk of falling down dead any minute.  Obesity is bad for you in and of itself.  It indicates you are eating more than your body can process.  And the older your get the worse it is for you.

I also agree that the the "fat acceptance movement" is actually harmful.  

Also, I DO think that 5'6" and 150lbs is probably obese depending on the body type.  It's at least, very likely to be obese.  I'm 5'6" and I'm trying to imagine carrying that much weight on me on a regular daily basis.  I think that would probably qualify me as obese, but my frame is pretty average sized.  Someone with a larger frame, maybe not, but it probably shouldn't be someone's "comfort" weight.

 

 

I had no idea until today that I was an obese cow carrying around too much weight...

dontcallmeshirley

hawkeye+:

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

copzgirl:

hawkeye+:

pedantic_wench:

All right, I know all of this, but this has nothing to do with my question, which stemmed from Hawkweye's comments that companies should no long make plus size clothing because it reinforces the idea that being fat is okay.

But you're right, I shouldn't engage.

I never said that plus size clothing should be taken out of production completely!

I simply think that the more we make it mainstream and widely available in every store and trendy, the more we are putting our stamp of approval on being obese.

I also have more of an issue with the huge expansion of the junior's plus size market than I do the adult's.

Just say it.

Fatties have no business trying to be attractive.  Burlap for all! 

ETA: The bold is just mean. Straight up.  If my daughter was obese it's nice to know you are there to police her into a size 2 

I'm sorry you think it's mean. I mean that.

I just don't understand why, over the last 50 years in this society we've become the society we are today. It's just no ok for me to think that if my daughter goes to high school as a size 22 or whatever, that I'll just shrug my shoulders and tell her oh well! At least you can still get your jeggings at Torrid.

But you guys are right, maybe taking the stores / availability away isn't the answer the more I think about it. What is the answer then? I'm seriously asking.  I just will never get on board with this mentality of people are getting fatter and fatter so we should just change everything to accomodate that even though it's happening to the detriment of our whole society.

 

So no access to clothes for obese girls/women is the best solution you can come up with? 

For the eleventy billionth time, where did I say "no access to clothes for obese people"? Sigh. I just think that the trend I see is more and more and more plus-size stores everywhere. I don't think that is a good thing- I think it just shows how complacent we are.

Fvvck it. Donuts for everyone.

Well I think I've solidified my reputation as resident fat shamer here at P&CE. lol. Ah well, I stand by my feelings that fat/obesity acceptance is a horrible thing, and very dangerous.

And just an FYI- I've been plenty overweight. It was the discomfort of not finding clothes that looked good on me that was the catalyst for change. It motivated me to want to feel good about myself. I can't imagine that feeling good and content with being obese would command much desire to change things.

Not bad for your first few weeks here!

However, all kidding aside, nobody is saying that you want fat people to dress in burlap, for real. What they ARE saying (hyperbolically) is that your claims of "not making fat clothes trendy or mainstream" is akin to shaming through marginalization, which is a)cruel and b) not going to change a damn thing. Great that it did for you, but you cannot project your own experience onto society and expect it work magically.

When you deliberately restrict the access for one group of people to the type of resource others have (and not for monetary purposes), you marginalize that group of people. It's "soft shaming", but shaming nonetheless.