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My Crazy Emotions re. Palin
I think I'm PMSy but I am suddenly sad Sarah Palin is done, at least for now. I feel bad for her that the McCain camp seems to be throwing her under the bus. I feel sad that there won't be a woman in the White House. I feel like she is not getting any sort of respect even though she just did something only one other woman has ever done before. It can be hard to be a woman in power at times and I think what she has done is monumental. I heard her interviewed today and she seemed genuine and also sad.
None of my feelings change my happiness over the election results, but I'm feeling a little sentimental that Sarah Palin is heading back to AK and that a woman in the White House is still far away.
Anyone else feeling this? Or am I crazy?
Re: My Crazy Emotions re. Palin
Oh - and apparently she thought Africa was a country.?
http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/the-odd-truths.html
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She does deserve some respect. But I give to Hillary for making it easier form women to run. Not Palin.
I'm not trying to turn it into a competition. They are both women that traveled a road very few women have traveled before. It would be nice if the media could maybe pick up on this.
Oh dear god. I was feeling bad for her too until you posted that...
Ditto this. Hillary worked her whole life for it. Palin did not.
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I honestly really dont feel bad for her. I feel for McCain becuase I respect him and think his campaign was not really what he would have wanted. I dont really have respect for her.?
Sorry, that was Dev22! Goodness gracious. We really need another computer.
Dylanite says ditto what I said though LOL?
That's funny. McCain is the person I feel the least sorry for right now. How can you respect him for conducting a campaign that you admit he didn't even want? Yet have no respect for a woman who was basically chewed up and spit out and now is being run over by said campaign?
Big Ditto D!
I don't respect Palin. I think she makes women look bad. But I do get what you are trying to say. My sadness is placed on HRC though not Palin - she didn't do much to deserve respect.
I've been a little conflicted and here's why. Tons of high profile conservatives (most of them men) coming out to endorse Obama and all citing Palin as part of their reasoning. It's a sad day for women that a woman VP candidate was a uniting force against that ticket. That people who've never voted dem are driven to us because they disliked the woman McCain picked. That's not the way I had hoped the Dems would win victory.
That said, I believe she's a disgrace. Her quote on the first amendment was unforgiveable. Not knowing what the VP does...thinking Africa is a country...and that whole appalling Couric interview...her support of Ted Stevens...her lies...and OMG the winking, the winking, the god awful winking. She has embarrassed women.
Can anyone actually say they want their daughters to be like Sarah Palin? I may not agree with Condi Rice, but if she was my daughter, I would be proud. Palin is a trainwreck and I am just so horrified by everything about her the last two months. Her disappearing back to Alaska is a victory for women.
No, I totally agree. I shudder at the thought of her actually palling around DC with the diplomats and such as.
Still, the theory of her is what is getting to me. If that makes any sense. Which it probably doesn't. I would like to emphasize the "crazy" portion of my subject line.
I respect McCain not for the campaign he ran, but for his years of service to this country. I do not agree with him on much, but I can still respect that.
Palin does not have that history of service and really has not given me any reason to respect her. I mean really, the woman thought Africa was a country.
Hillary on the other hand, while I didnt support her in the primaries because I was an Obama gal, was an extremely intelligent, very capable woman. To me, she was the inspiration to women this election season, not Palin.?
(actual Dylanite here) Even though everything above by 'me' was really said by Dev, I ditto her and kmpls.
OP, you provided the apt description to your emotions in the title of this post...or so I playfully acknowledge.?
Lol!
I see what you are saying. Honestly, I wish I could give her a moment of reflection. I want to respect her, but I can't respect someone who winks during a job interview. I can't do it.
She was an affirmative action choice gone horribly, horribly wrong. I don't think there's any victory for women that has come out of this.
That's it. It's my PMS, post election blues withdrawal disorder kicking in.
/gavel
In other news...anyone kind of miss Joe the Plumber?
LOL!
A whole day without a post about him! A record!
ESF and dev, I'm with you. I feel sorry for Palin in the sense that her political career trajectory is now severely blunted. The McCain campaign is using her as a punching bag, and that sucks for her. But if she wasn't so goddamnfuckingstupid, this wouldn't have been a problem. She could have been smart and folksy, careful and endearing. She wasn't. She is pretty and disarming, and can recite the party line. She is an empty suit that the republicans tried to fill. She is not a role model for women, and frankly, I think she set back the forward momentum built by HRC. And lest we all forget, Geraldine Ferraro ran for VP too - she was the true pioneer - not Palin.
I am a runner, knitter, scientist, DE-IVF veteran, and stage III colon cancer survivor.
She was such a terrible candidate, and she really stood against everything I hold dear, including fruit fly research. Who denigrates fruit flie?! ?I don't feel one iota of pity. ?There was a time when I felt a tiny bit b/c she was picked on so much, but that quickly dissipated. ?She brought it on herself. ?She deserved every bit and worse.
I can't give her respect for an accomplishment that she got by virtue of having a vagina. She didn't deserve her place. ?HRC deserved it. ?She earned the accolades and respect. ?Palin was just conservative and female. ?That takes no talent, no skill, therefore no respect.
I'm no fan of hers at all, but I'm disgusted that conservatives are now throwing her under the bus by blaming her for McCain's loss. I think she was a big reason, but she most certainly was not the only reason.
Yet another woman becoming a convenient scapegoat for the failings of men. Where is all that new-found conservative feminism we saw so much of a couple months ago?
ETA: I think that conservatives ought to consider this as well: while many disliked Palin because she was a beer short of that infamous six-pack, in truth she was rejected by many because of her radical views - views shared by those same conservatives. I suspect some of the blame being cast upon her is a deflection by conservatives who don't want to acknowledge that her views, and not merely her vapidity, were offensive to many in the electorate.
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Hillary has everything to do with this. McCain picked a woman for his ticket, hoping to ride on her "historic election" coattails. The intention was to pick up the dejected Clinton supporters and give people another historic ticket, to give people the option to vote for the first female VP instead of the first AA President.
I agree that it's pretty rough how everything is coming out of the woodwork now as the wheels fall off of MCP. But I think she was a terrible candidate who happened to be the right gender at the right time -- and they played up her beauty and sex appeal a great deal instead of caring whether she had an 8th grade understanding of government.
She was a disaster. And I don't really feel sorry for her. I think she's one of those people who is out of her league she doesn't even realize she is out of her league. She has ambition in spades and she can connect with people. But after the last 8 years, I don't think the country is willing to risk that again. I'm delighted she is going back to Alaska, and I hope we never hear from her again (though I will miss the Tina Fey SP!)
On a side note: McCain deserved exactly what he got, based on the way he chose to run his campaign. I don't feel sorry for him at all. Except when he looks like Sad Grandpa. But then I just have to remember the "He's an Arab / No, he's a good family man" exchange and others like it -- and that fleeting sympathy is gone.
I'm with most of y'all. Sarah Palin didn't have the good sense to realize what a disaster it would be if she accepted the nom for VP -- and didn't realize how woefully underqualified she is -- so I really can't feel sorry for her.
Here's a great article about this very topic I posted a few months back:
http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2008/09/30/palin_pity/
I have no respect for Palin, and I think she was a terrible choice. Yet ITA with you, IIOY. Somebody on Morning Joe this morning said that the problem wasn't that Sarah Palin didn't know Africa was a continent; the problem was that McCain could have found that out if he had properly vetted her.
I agree with everything that has been said about her making the road harder for future female politicians. They are going to viewed more skeptically from the get-go because this nitwit made all women look bad.
But ultimately, she's not to blame for the downfall of the campaign. John McCain did not vet her and made a terrible choice for VP. And I don't care if he got "talked into it." Presidential advisers try to talk presidents into things, but the buck stops with the prez. Same goes for the candidate. John McCain failed big time in making the most important decision of his campaign.
I hope Palin stays up north with the moose, and we never hear about her again. But I will admit that I am absolutely looking forward to Bristol-Levi pictures appearing in Us Weekly. In a completely guilty-pleasure sort of way.
I definitely disagree with your first paragraph here and the OP. ?Palin was a horrible candidate. ?Not only was the only thing she accomplished being chosen at random but a raving old lunatic coot, but it's not at ALL because she's a woman. ?Even though she lost NC, just to borrow one Republican woman, Liddy Dole would have been 100% different. ?I don't like her at all politically, but the woman is smart. ?The woman is capable. Someone like her could have done it.
Sarah Palin comes off like she doesn't have two brain cells to rub together. ?I'm effing thrilled she's going back to Alaska. ?I think she's set women back twenty years, with her appalling interviews, her more than $150k wardrobe, the fact that everyone close to the campaign said she was a heinous c*nt to work with, etc.
I don't feel one bit sorry for her. ?If she'd been someone better and a woman, this might have gone differently.
However, ESF, I totally agree with the rest of your post.?
I have no sympathy for Palin whatsoever. She might have rallied the conservative base for McCain, but that was about it. McCain did lose this election for himself and we will see people point the finger at Palin for his downfall.
There is no doubt in my mind that Palin made it THAT much harder for the next female politician interested in running on a Presidential ticket. IMO, Hillary made huge grounds from a progress standpoint but Palin seemed to have taken that away and then some. McCain should have done a much better job of vetting her out before putting her in the spotlight.