It's not even a question

jebrmbbeb

Anyone can think the debates only go off of emotion or don't matter because everyone has their minds made up, but the fact is both candidates presented their plans and what they want to do, so any educated person can listen and decide who they think is going to run this country better. And yes Romney won because he presented valid arguments, points, as much of his plan as he could in two minutes and didn't fumble around and lose focus like Obama. It is what it is and most of the country is in agreement about this. Obama did indeed point out things he wanted to do as well, but in my opinion Romney is the clear choice for an economic future. Cutting taxes on the wealthy are going to ultimately lose jobs because they are going to hire less people to make up for it. Which means less revenue and taxes for the government, going around in circles like Romney said. He was able to successfully refute every argument Obama made. Those wealthy businesses employ many people in this country, and by letting them profit more jobs are created and the government will ultimately make more in taxes because there will be more working people, but the individual burden won't be raised on individuals. I honestly do not understand how there are still people out there who don't get this. It only makes sense. Not to mention the last four years of Obama's plan NOT working. It's mind boggling to me. 

jebrmbbeb

missymo:

vlagrl29:

Jan8:

 

there is always hope that he can win it.  we still have a few debates left and I have already had a couple friends say that they were for obama going into this debate but now they are for romney. 

That is B.S. and you know it.  Obama did not have a strong debate performance, but people who were planning on voting for him are not suddenly voting for Romney.  I wish I could insert an eyeroll emoticon.  

 

There may have been undecided voters who decided after the debate to vote for Romney, but the candidates are SO different that is is inconceivable someone would flip from Obama to Romney based on that debate.  Especially after fact checking.  Unless that person is really ignorant.  

You can roll your eyes all you want but go read the thousands of comments on any site like yahoo and look at all the people who are no longer in support of Obama. This isn't the case for everyone obviously and probably a small percentage actually change their minds but you can't say there aren't any. Of course some people changed their minds. To say you know that's all bull is simply ignorant. 

vlagrl29

jebrmbbeb:

Anyone can think the debates only go off of emotion or don't matter because everyone has their minds made up, but the fact is both candidates presented their plans and what they want to do, so any educated person can listen and decide who they think is going to run this country better. And yes Romney won because he presented valid arguments, points, as much of his plan as he could in two minutes and didn't fumble around and lose focus like Obama. It is what it is and most of the country is in agreement about this. Obama did indeed point out things he wanted to do as well, but in my opinion Romney is the clear choice for an economic future. Cutting taxes on the wealthy are going to ultimately lose jobs because they are going to hire less people to make up for it. Which means less revenue and taxes for the government, going around in circles like Romney said. He was able to successfully refute every argument Obama made. Those wealthy businesses employ many people in this country, and by letting them profit more jobs are created and the government will ultimately make more in taxes because there will be more working people, but the individual burden won't be raised on individuals. I honestly do not understand how there are still people out there who don't get this. It only makes sense. Not to mention the last four years of Obama's plan NOT working. It's mind boggling to me. 

 

Agree with you 100% and maybe people think MY friends are ignorant but I know a lot of freelancers like myself and the last 4 years have not worked for us.  Obama was wanting to go to the next point before the moderator was ready a couple times.   

EllaHella

Hopeforthebest:

EllaHella:

catsareniice1:

justAphase:

Andplusalso, Romney wants to cut funding for PBS? If he gets elected and takes away Sesame Street and Daniel Tiger... My child will bring the wrath of 10000 suns on his ?ss. 

There is NO way his plan will work without raising taxes on the middle class. Just no way.  

I agree that would realllly suck but we cannot continue to overspend like we have been doing.

Agreed.  But it is such a ridiculously miniscule percentage of the budget.  That's like scooping the change out of your couch cushions to reduce your mortgage.

And yet ONE extra payment to a traditional 30 year mortgage saves you thousands over the life of that mortgage.

The $1.64 under my couch cushion doesn't make a dent.  Just as the miniscule budget (percentage of the entire national budget) of PBS doesn't make a dent in our national debt. 

Take the space program.  That's more like an entire mortgage payment.

MidwestGidget

Romney def. won that debate. 

This election is a done deal now! Everyone knows that the first debate determines who wins the election; especially former Presidents Kerry and Mondale.

Er...

 

Seriously, people. Romney brought his A-game, Obama was flat. One debate does not an election make.

RustyBelle

I think think the space program and certainly our military is more important than Big Bird. Besides, viewers can contribute to PBS, so if you feel that strongly about it then by all means take out your wallet and show your support. I would rather the money go towards fixing the big issues in our country.

missymo

jebrmbbeb:

missymo:

vlagrl29:

Jan8:

 

there is always hope that he can win it.  we still have a few debates left and I have already had a couple friends say that they were for obama going into this debate but now they are for romney. 

That is B.S. and you know it.  Obama did not have a strong debate performance, but people who were planning on voting for him are not suddenly voting for Romney.  I wish I could insert an eyeroll emoticon.  

 

There may have been undecided voters who decided after the debate to vote for Romney, but the candidates are SO different that is is inconceivable someone would flip from Obama to Romney based on that debate.  Especially after fact checking.  Unless that person is really ignorant.  

You can roll your eyes all you want but go read the thousands of comments on any site like yahoo and look at all the people who are no longer in support of Obama. This isn't the case for everyone obviously and probably a small percentage actually change their minds but you can't say there aren't any. Of course some people changed their minds. To say you know that's all bull is simply ignorant. 

Lol at all the yahoo message board comments being meaningful! Mmmkay.  

 

I will rephrase my original point though: if anyone actually changed their mind about which candidate to vote for after the debate, they were ignorant of what their candidate stood for in the first place. The two men are so vastly different.  How can a person support Obama - a pro-choice, pro- gay marriage, anti trickle down economy politician-  one day, watch last night's ridiculous debate, and then flip to an anti-choice, trickle down economy champion??? If people have done that, it would be proof of idiocy. 

Tastetherainbowunicorn

This is probably why Ohio loves Obama: http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

racegrrl714

catsareniice1:

I think it's ridiculous that the debates are not at least 30 minutes longer. It seemed as soon as Romney or Obama wanted to say more their time was up. There is not enough time for candidates to get into great detail. This has always been a major problem for me when watching debates.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but I actually agree with you on that.

BarMyers1111

You point to the last four years, and the Democrats point to the previous eight years of trickle-down economics (which is what you're describing). People out there "don't get this" because it's economic theory, not fact. American policies do not exist in a vacuum. We've never been able to test a society that's purely trickle-down economics, so no one can know it will work--it's just a theory.

There's common sense on the other side of the fence too. You argue that if the rich had more money, they'd invest more in their companies and hire more employees and tax revenue would go up. But if there's no demand for more products/services, then why would the rich need to invest more in their company? They could just pocket the extra tax savings for themselves because there's no need to invest more in their company. That's the common sense argument on the other side of the fence. If the middle class isn't doing well enough to have a disposable income to increase consumer demand, then the economy still won't get better.

Facts are available to support both political parties and their theories are not created by idiots who are blind to common sense, jebrmbbeb. It's good to keep that in mind so we can all be respectful of our fellow Americans. Every party wants the same thing--for America to recover. They just disagree about how to get there.

Hopeforthebest

BarMyers1111:

You point to the last four years, and the Democrats point to the previous eight years of trickle-down economics (which is what you're describing). People out there "don't get this" because it's economic theory, not fact. American policies do not exist in a vacuum. We've never been able to test a society that's purely trickle-down economics, so no one can know it will work--it's just a theory.

There's common sense on the other side of the fence too. You argue that if the rich had more money, they'd invest more in their companies and hire more employees and tax revenue would go up. But if there's no demand for more products/services, then why would the rich need to invest more in their company? They could just pocket the extra tax savings for themselves because there's no need to invest more in their company. That's the common sense argument on the other side of the fence. If the middle class isn't doing well enough to have a disposable income to increase consumer demand, then the economy still won't get better.

Facts are available to support both political parties and their theories are not created by idiots who are blind to common sense, jebrmbbeb. It's good to keep that in mind so we can all be respectful of our fellow Americans. Every party wants the same thing--for America to recover. They just disagree about how to get there.

No --- Every Party wants POWER! They certainly do disagree on how to get there AND it is a huge fundamental difference .That difference seems to be splitting this country in two. 

vlagrl29

Tastetherainbowunicorn:

This is probably why Ohio loves Obama: http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

 

LOL.  This made me almost spit out my water!  i had seen that video before and had no idea obama gave out cell phones until i watched it.  Where is my damn cell phone?! 

ohioloveyou

BarMyers1111:

True, we need to cut spending, but 0.012% (PBS) won't do nearly as much good as addressing 20% (DOD and war budget). Romney could raise the military budget 2 trillion dollars, which will hurt us far more than Big Bird ever could.

This.  I kept telling my DH...let's cut the defense budget...that's where all the waste is!  We will still be able to defend ourselves just fine in my humble opinion.  The fact is Congress is funding tanks for the army that they don't even want/need.

http://theweek.com/article/index/233846/downsizing-the-military 

Fact is it's all just pork for Rep's to brag about back home in their districts. 

CoffeeBeen

PBS' annual budget is <0.5% of Romney's proposed 2 trillion dollar increase in military spending.  This message was brought to you by the letter F as in "Where the F are our values?"

justAphase

CoffeeBeen:

PBS' annual budget is <0.5% of Romney's proposed 2 trillion dollar increase in military spending.  This message was brought to you by the letter F as in "Where the F are our values?"

Lol. The increase in military spending really grinds my gears. 

justAphase

Also, coffee, I love your siggy. I have a Lucille Bluth Romney meme just sitting in my photos waiting to become a siggy. 

Jan8

vlagrl29:

Tastetherainbowunicorn:

This is probably why Ohio loves Obama: http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

 

LOL.  This made me almost spit out my water!  i had seen that video before and had no idea obama gave out cell phones until i watched it.  Where is my damn cell phone?! 

Oh the ignorance of her and the American people. Look on you phone bill. There is a charge for people who can't pay for a phone. Obama didn't give her crap and this charge has been on your phone bill for a long time. Do people not even know how to read their bills and what they are paying?  Education has failed is... 

CoffeeBeen

justAphase:

Also, coffee, I love your siggy. I have a Lucille Bluth Romney meme just sitting in my photos waiting to become a siggy. 

Thanks!  I had a hard time choosing just one, so I might switch it up in the coming weeks.  They really are kindred spirits.

SookieFrackhouse68

Boy. If only Obama had cats' awesomeass ability to debate. I admit Obama was disappointing last night. At times that was downright painful. He needs to step it up and bring a little more aggression to the table. I think he got owned.

justAphase

SookieFrackhouse68:

Boy. If only Obama had cats' awesomeass ability to debate. I admit Obama was disappointing last night. At times that was downright painful. He needs to step it up and bring a little more aggression to the table. I think he got owned.

 

Yeah, she never answered my question about what she dislikes about Obama's plan. Though she knows enough to ROTFL about it. Hmm.  

SookieFrackhouse68

Sorry on my Kindle and can't quote. Lol about referencing comments on Yahoo news.You cannot seriously think any comments from that cesspool of morons proves jackshit about your point.

Tastetherainbowunicorn

Jan8:

vlagrl29:

Tastetherainbowunicorn:

This is probably why Ohio loves Obama: http://youtu.be/tpAOwJvTOio

 

LOL.  This made me almost spit out my water!  i had seen that video before and had no idea obama gave out cell phones until i watched it.  Where is my damn cell phone?! 

Oh the ignorance of her and the American people. Look on you phone bill. There is a charge for people who can't pay for a phone. Obama didn't give her crap and this charge has been on your phone bill for a long time. Do people not even know how to read their bills and what they are paying?  Education has failed is... 

Obama did give away free phones and he eats dogs.

NuggetBrain

If I hear one more chucklef*ck talk about how companies will hire more people when they make more profits I will scream.  Companies are pulling in RECORD PROFITS this year, and they still aren't hiring people. 

SookieFrackhouse68

I am fecking dying at "chucklefuck." lol

Hopeforthebest

They will hire more when the uncertainty of what the future of the tax changes/proposals/implications are put in place and if those make them feel comfortable enough to hire because the future looks so bright ...they gotta wear shades ;-)

Right now you bet your bottom they are stock piling cash (RECORD PROFITS)to cover their own proverbial a$$.

vlagrl29

NuggetBrain:

If I hear one more chucklef*ck talk about how companies will hire more people when they make more profits I will scream.  Companies are pulling in RECORD PROFITS this year, and they still aren't hiring people. 

I think this is because when they had to lay off because of the economy they didn't replace those people, so they gave those jobs to others in the office and now that those people are still keeping up why would they hire again?  makes sense to me, plus they are saving money 

cincychick35

Hopeforthebest:

They will hire more when the uncertainty of what the future of the tax changes/proposals/implications are put in place and if those make them feel comfortable enough to hire because the future looks so bright ...they gotta wear shades ;-)

Right now you bet your bottom they are stock piling cash (RECORD PROFITS)to cover their own proverbial a$$.

This, 100% yes!  As a small business owner this is totally true!  We can't make educated decisions about how to plan for the future of our business because we just don't know what the hell to expect.

Anybody who questions the whole "Trickle Down Economics", I suggest reading this from Thomas Sowell, a Senior Fellow from Stanford University.

http://www.tsowell.com/images/Hoover%20Proof.pdf

I will not, under any circumstances, be voting for Obama.  I voted for him in 2008, gave him 4 years to prove himself and he has failed me miserably.  I believe, with all my heart, if he is re-elected America will no longer be the place our founding fathers had envisioned. 

jebrmbbeb

SookieFrackhouse68:

Sorry on my Kindle and can't quote. Lol about referencing comments on Yahoo news.You cannot seriously think any comments from that cesspool of morons proves jackshit about your point.

So the people posting on the bump are any more important or intelligent? There is an actual person behind every comment on the Internet. They just choose to post on a different site. And I'm sure there's plenty of morons everywhere posting. As well as plenty of intelligent people. To say otherwise is embarrassingly incompetent on your part. Oh and so that doesn't prove my point? You think Obama won the debate then and that no one will ever change their mind? Okay you're right. And I guess you had a hard time understanding what I said. Yahoo comments were representing the fact that there are people out there who change their minds on who they vote for. You can think there aren't though if that makes you feel better.

jebrmbbeb

NuggetBrain:

If I hear one more chucklef*ck talk about how companies will hire more people when they make more profits I will scream.  Companies are pulling in RECORD PROFITS this year, and they still aren't hiring people. 

You sound mature. Then we should tax the rich, they can lay off more people, choose not to expand, and no business will ever have motivation to be successful because we know we're just going to get punished for it. The more you make the more you give to the government! Splendid! Then everyone can be below middle class forever but it's okay cuz it will all be fair and equal. Perfect. And I'm glad you know for a fact that every company in America is making record profits and not hiring people. We should just continue to follow Obama's plan then. It's working out wonderfully.

justAphase

jebrmbbeb:

NuggetBrain:

If I hear one more chucklef*ck talk about how companies will hire more people when they make more profits I will scream.  Companies are pulling in RECORD PROFITS this year, and they still aren't hiring people. 

You sound mature. Then we should tax the rich, they can lay off more people, choose not to expand, and no business will ever have motivation to be successful because we know we're just going to get punished for it. The more you make the more you give to the government! Splendid! Then everyone can be below middle class forever but it's okay cuz it will all be fair and equal. Perfect. And I'm glad you know for a fact that every company in America is making record profits and not hiring people. We should just continue to follow Obama's plan then. It's working out wonderfully.

Passive aggressive rants are way more mature.